GeraldT4
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Given the scenario below as way of background I've an opinion/story to share regarding what I believe to be the appropriate origin of amendments. This is a detailed and long post, hope you at the very least enjoy the read. I welcome, and encourage your input and beliefs.
1) Governing documents require 25% of the members to petition the President to call a Special Mtg. of owners.
2) 2/3rdâs of the members must vote to approve an amendment to the Declaration, Master Deed, CC&Râs, responsibility for maintenance of items.
3) Quorum of the association is 25% of the members by person or proxy.
4) Definition of member is an owner.
5) Board conceived amendment pertaining to snow removal responsibilities, which failed to achieve 2/3rdâs vote over the course of 7 months.
6) Board placed on its priority list a goal to change the Board membership rules so that non-owners spouses, significant others, or bloodline could be on the Board, and vote.
Appeared on recent agenda, as âOld Business Household Board member amendmentâ
7) Board placed on its priority list a goal to amend so that one Board member cannot sit on 2 Boards (HOA Board for single-family and townhouse, COA Board for townhouse).
Appeared on recent agenda, as âOld Business Board member cannot sit on 2 Boards Amendmentâ.
8) Board had attorney draft resolutions to accomplish the last two amendment topics.
9) Items 6 & 7 were never placed upon an open meeting agenda as Business, or New Business.
At last nightâs Open Meeting (OPM) for our master HOA, the Board members present decided and stated they would not continue to pursue items 6 & 7. The reasons stated were something to the effect that the attorneys drafted the resolutions way too complex, extended the eligibility to vote to include bloodline, and the amendments would open a Pandoraâs box. Additionally the Board President stated that a great deal of time, energy, and effort went into discussions and drafts with the attorney on the amendments. Given the amendments were essentially stricken I decided not to intentionally belabor the subject, however I did make an attempt during the owner forum portion to voice my belief. So I respectfully told the Board that what I donât understand, and what I would like someone to explain to me is, how does an amendment travel from concept, to a Board priority, to attorney draft resolution, never appearing as Business or New Business on an OPM agenda, to âOld Businessâ on an OPM agenda. One Board memberâs response was to go into the specifics of the amendment items and basically reiterate the process that I stated the amendments traveled. So I stated Iâm not interested in the specific amendments themselves, rather the Board philosophy or mindset on how the vet concepts for amendments that come before the Board. The reason I would like to know, I stated, is that an amendment takes 2/3rd's of the association to amend, and the failure of the previous snow amendment is proof of the importance of community input. If you need 2/3rdâs of a horse to pull the cart, why would you put the cart before the horse without knowing youâve got the horsepower. Meaning, why not send out a survey to the owners of their feelings on the amendment items and a variety of topics, this to serve as a gauge to the Board of community priority. And hereâs what probably stunned me the most out of the entire dog and pony show. The PM with Board reiteration stated something to the effect, âSo what you are proposing is that we send out a community survey. But we have a hard time getting owners to attend open meetings, etc. And after all, who are we to put the items we think are important on a surveyâ. My internal reaction was youâve got to be kidding me. Youâre worried about putting an item on a survey to gauge community priority, yet you went ahead and spent time, energy, and association resources (with little to no duly processed notification) on amendment items? My public reaction was, yes I believe a community survey would be very beneficial, who better than the Board or a committee to create it, and you never know until you try. If the community doesnât return the survey, that in and of itself should help you gauge if youâll get the necessary 2/3rdâs to amend.
So my moral of the scenario and story is that the origin of amendments should not come from the front of the table unless thereâs some real compelling reason to propose them. The compelling reason according to the governing documents is that 25% of the membership petition, and that 2/3rdâs are necessary to amend. If neither 25% nor 2/3rdâs are the origin, than the elected few at the front of the table should not make amendment proposals. However they definitely should provide adequate written notice of each step along the way, and be as inclusive of owner input during the process. That said how do you feel?
1) Governing documents require 25% of the members to petition the President to call a Special Mtg. of owners.
2) 2/3rdâs of the members must vote to approve an amendment to the Declaration, Master Deed, CC&Râs, responsibility for maintenance of items.
3) Quorum of the association is 25% of the members by person or proxy.
4) Definition of member is an owner.
5) Board conceived amendment pertaining to snow removal responsibilities, which failed to achieve 2/3rdâs vote over the course of 7 months.
6) Board placed on its priority list a goal to change the Board membership rules so that non-owners spouses, significant others, or bloodline could be on the Board, and vote.
Appeared on recent agenda, as âOld Business Household Board member amendmentâ
7) Board placed on its priority list a goal to amend so that one Board member cannot sit on 2 Boards (HOA Board for single-family and townhouse, COA Board for townhouse).
Appeared on recent agenda, as âOld Business Board member cannot sit on 2 Boards Amendmentâ.
8) Board had attorney draft resolutions to accomplish the last two amendment topics.
9) Items 6 & 7 were never placed upon an open meeting agenda as Business, or New Business.
At last nightâs Open Meeting (OPM) for our master HOA, the Board members present decided and stated they would not continue to pursue items 6 & 7. The reasons stated were something to the effect that the attorneys drafted the resolutions way too complex, extended the eligibility to vote to include bloodline, and the amendments would open a Pandoraâs box. Additionally the Board President stated that a great deal of time, energy, and effort went into discussions and drafts with the attorney on the amendments. Given the amendments were essentially stricken I decided not to intentionally belabor the subject, however I did make an attempt during the owner forum portion to voice my belief. So I respectfully told the Board that what I donât understand, and what I would like someone to explain to me is, how does an amendment travel from concept, to a Board priority, to attorney draft resolution, never appearing as Business or New Business on an OPM agenda, to âOld Businessâ on an OPM agenda. One Board memberâs response was to go into the specifics of the amendment items and basically reiterate the process that I stated the amendments traveled. So I stated Iâm not interested in the specific amendments themselves, rather the Board philosophy or mindset on how the vet concepts for amendments that come before the Board. The reason I would like to know, I stated, is that an amendment takes 2/3rd's of the association to amend, and the failure of the previous snow amendment is proof of the importance of community input. If you need 2/3rdâs of a horse to pull the cart, why would you put the cart before the horse without knowing youâve got the horsepower. Meaning, why not send out a survey to the owners of their feelings on the amendment items and a variety of topics, this to serve as a gauge to the Board of community priority. And hereâs what probably stunned me the most out of the entire dog and pony show. The PM with Board reiteration stated something to the effect, âSo what you are proposing is that we send out a community survey. But we have a hard time getting owners to attend open meetings, etc. And after all, who are we to put the items we think are important on a surveyâ. My internal reaction was youâve got to be kidding me. Youâre worried about putting an item on a survey to gauge community priority, yet you went ahead and spent time, energy, and association resources (with little to no duly processed notification) on amendment items? My public reaction was, yes I believe a community survey would be very beneficial, who better than the Board or a committee to create it, and you never know until you try. If the community doesnât return the survey, that in and of itself should help you gauge if youâll get the necessary 2/3rdâs to amend.
So my moral of the scenario and story is that the origin of amendments should not come from the front of the table unless thereâs some real compelling reason to propose them. The compelling reason according to the governing documents is that 25% of the membership petition, and that 2/3rdâs are necessary to amend. If neither 25% nor 2/3rdâs are the origin, than the elected few at the front of the table should not make amendment proposals. However they definitely should provide adequate written notice of each step along the way, and be as inclusive of owner input during the process. That said how do you feel?