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PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
An 11th Circuit Court ruling in 2006 might be affected by the wording in your Bylaws. The court found that a homeowner could not claim negligence on the part of the HOA for failing to protect his home from a robbery. The decision appears to be based on wording in the association bylaws.

The conclusion to be drawn was that the governing documents should provide disclaimers of any duty by the HOA to provide security to homeowners.

We are a gated community with 'security guards' at the gate. We have never indicated that the guards secure the community. But, we don't have any disclaimer saying we don't provide security.

Have you any wording in your governing documents (that you could share)pertaining to providing or not providing security?
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
There's a lot more to the security issue than just the wording of the documents. In CA, a court held the association liable because they had prior knowledge of problems in the area and failed to warn the owners.

If your association is worried about this or want's to get into it in any way, be prepared some spend some good money on an attorney. They're going to have to look at whether the original declarant (developer) actually promised or implied that the gates provided security (did the buyers have a reason to believe they were more secure). What has been said or done since. How will changes to the docs impact your liability insurance? Are there are other court precedents regarding security and and association in Florida, etc. etc. etc.

Here's a case out of NJ: http://www.njlawblog.com/2006/06/articles/community-associations/new-jersey-legal-update-podcast-36/

One out of AZ: http://lw.bna.com/lw/19970715/960494.htm

Here's one from your state: http://www.advancedproperty.org/apm_HOAinfo.html

There's issues you can skimp on and skate by - this isn't one of them.

Joe


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GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
PeterB1 - Gated community here with 24/7 security guards. Have had several break-ins, none documented to be a breach from the front gate. Instead the culprits were gaining access to our private property from wooded areas towards the back end. We don't have perimeter fencing. Liability is not with our association or association board because there's no way to prevent a breach from these areas and everyone purchased either knowing, or with an opportunity to know the layout of the development. If the breach was from a breakdown in the front gate security system, fault would have to be reviewed. If it turns out there was a fault of the guards or the front system, I'd imagine the owner (if he she had proof of fault) would sue the association and or the security company the association contracts. I don't see how the association board could be held liable for something they were not previously aware of. Unless of course some potential for a breach of security or flaw was brought to their attention and they knowingly failed to do something about it. If the amenity of a gate or security is not provided by the association than there's no reason to have wording in the gov. docs. that pertain to it.
PhilipB2 (Illinois)
Posts: 1
Posted:
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