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DeniseC1 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 25
Posted:
First of all I'm not a board member. I had previously posted the topic of our Board President using common ground for a dog run. As previously posted, I was threatened by the President's wife that her dog would bite my dogs and that this was "her property". I did research at the courthouse and discovered that this dog run is on 5 feet of the common ground.

I attended the next board meeting on 01.23.08 exposing the violation with photos of the dog run, feces,and straw placed on the common ground. The PM used the term "doctrine of Laches"; making this rule unenforceable.

The President's wife attended the meeting and instructed me to clean up the dog's feces if I'm so offended by it. I must admit, my reaction was less than cordial and we got into an verbal argument. The Vice President stood up and while staring right at me, adjourned the meeting. I felt as though I was being targeted for causing the disruption and that the President's wife provoked the argument. Since then, the President's wife will blatantly glare and scowl when we cross each other's paths in the neighborhood. I don't engage in any eye contact or communication with her.

Several days following the meeting, I e-mailed the PM quoting from the bylaws...1) failure by the Association or any member to enforce any covenant or restriction herein contained shall in no event be deemed a waiver of the rights to do so thereafter and 2)no pets or animals, whether under control or leash or otherwise, shall create a nuisance by the discharge of bodily waste on any part of the premises not owned in fee by the pet owner. I stated that the rights of the member's easement of enjoyment in and to the open space is being violated by preventing member's from entering common ground due to the dog's presence and feces. The PM never responded to my email as she's always done in the past.

There was another board meeting scheduled on 02.20.08 and upon arriving at the community center, a sign was posted cancelling the meeting, and that we would be notified of the new scheduled meeting. Since the PM never replied to my email, I sent a certified return/receipt letter and still no response.

As it stands today, the President's dog run, feces, and straw is still up and running on the common ground and there has been no notice of a rescheduled meeting.

Any thoughts?
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
DeniseC1 - You've stood your ground and can go as far as have an attorney get involved and hold the Board liable for breach of contract and fiduciary duty. Unfortunately the unethical behavior of your neighbor and board members is contributing to a hostile environment. So sorry this has occurred for you, but frankly not surprised because it has occurred in my association, others throughout the nation. If it's some small conciliation, you're not alone. Cheer up, and don't let the bully dogs get you down.
DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
Posted:
DeniseC1

Before engaging an attorney, I recommend that you provide a written request to the board of directors containing the facts you have gathered, and asking the board to include your complaint on the agenda for the next board meeting for consideration and decision.

The laches business is humbug, IMHO.

If the board takes no action, then a discussion with an attorney is probably appropriate. Ask the attorney to send a letter to the board as the first step.

It sounds like your board will stall and delay, and try to wear you down. Not uncommon for boards that don't want to address an unpleasant issue.

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
DeniseC1: First, treat this is a 'resident issue' even though the dog person is the President. A question: is it possible that the resident does 'own' any part of the 5' dog run area she claims is 'her property'? To learn this answer, you need to speak with your local municipal authorities to review the Association Plat Plan. They will inform you who owns what and whether it is indeed common ground, meaning common to all owners and for all owners use.

Once you learn IF it is common ground, as a suggestion, send a certified letter to the PM, w/copy to the Board detailing the situation--you have sought
confirmation from the local officials that the ground is not 'owned' by the unit owner but it is common ground; that the official documents (cite all verbiage) are being disregarded, as well as members' rights are being disregarded; plus there must be a clause which states the owner is responsible for disposing of the pet's waste, which they are not doing.

Ask for a response by a certain date addressing your concerns and ensuring the resident's compliance. If compliance is not enforced, they will be forcing you with the alternative to seek legal council. Try to remain calm in the midst of chaos, know that you are asking for enforcement of the documents which is your member's right to expect and if you take it one step at a time trying to remain professional, hopefully this will work out to the association's good. Good Luck and keep us posted!

HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
"but frankly not surprised because it has occurred in my association, others throughout the nation."
From multiple recurring threads here, it is so sad, but true.
I once read that HOAs have changed normal greetings among neighbors from "How are you doing?" to "What are you doing?" It will not improve with the present set up of using neighbors to police neighbors. We all seem to accept city, county, state and federal control, but refuse to accept neighbor control. It is just too close and personal.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Paul, I could be wrong, but I'm presuming that when the Original Poster conveyed this info below that she did, in fact, verify that the area being used IS common ground:

"I did research at the courthouse and discovered that this dog run is on 5 feet of the common ground.

I attended the next board meeting on 01.23.08 exposing the violation with photos of the dog run, feces,and straw placed on the common ground. The PM used the term "doctrine of Laches"; making this rule unenforceable. "

I'm also guessing that the lack of response from the PM or anyone else is a possible indication that they are in CA Mode (Cover Arse) and are trying to find a loophole that will allow for the continued violation.

This is a toughie. I people won't communicate, it's difficult to address a solution.

It does appear the resident may have to seek legal counsel if the Board and the PM both refuse or continue to ignore the communications.

In our CC&Rs, all homeowners have the "right" to enforce the deed restrictions. However, as a board, we would not want to put a resident into a situation where that resident feels he or she would have to move to enforce against another resident due to our failing in our fiduciary duty to do so. In other words, the board should not be setting up a scenario where a resident should have to spend her own funds to enforce the CC&Rs.

Disappointing situation to say the least. I wish I had some good advice for her, but she appears to be handling herself very well and making very good initial strategic moves.

Doing her research.
Providing the research in the open meeting.
Sending certified communications.

All very professional and non-emotional.

I hope she keeps us posted.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Denise,

I went back to your original post of Feb 16th and you had many good responses and ideas on how to handle this complaint. Go back on the search bar and key in your name "DeniseC1" and reread all of the great advice from those. It sounds to me like you are in the same spot that you were in back in Feb.
DeniseC1 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 25
Posted:
WOW I made a really big typo (15' of common ground). The Plat Plan indicates that all of the 15' is common ground and there's 5' of back lawn owned by the President. The cable is running from the Presidents back wall across 5' of his lawn, then across 15' to a a pine tree (there is a row of pines that divides the association property and an apartment building). Can we post photos on this site?
DeniseC1 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Your presumption is correct. I also made a typo; 15 feet of the common ground, not 5 feet. Because the dog run is connected from his back wall across "all of the common ground" designated in that area to a a row of pines, we homeowners cannot enter any of the common ground designated in the area behind his house.

I am trying to present this on a professional level, not emotional, but it's not always easy. Thanks for acknowledging that!
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
DeniseC1,
I agree with DonN that I would start by writing to the board. I would go a bit further and make this a formal letter, describing your complaint, and include any facts that support your complaint (plot plans, photos, copies of relevant paragraphs from governing documents, rules & regulations, etc.). Make sure you keep a complete copy of everything you send. I would send your letter by certified mail with a return receipt. This will show them you maean business, and you will have proof to bring to your lawyer (if you later need one) that they received your letter. If the management company and the board have separate addresses, send it to the board and a certified copy to the property manager.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
and denise, make sure you stay tenacious, and document everything with the facts (no opinions or conjectures). If they scheduled a meeting, Show up. Let them cancel it again, and document it. Write letters, copy them.

IMO, the best thing you can do is stay on the prowl. They are trying to win by ignoring you, and the defense against that is to simply stay tenacious. Eventually, they must meet, and can't cancel, and you will break that barrier. They will have another, of course, by then, but stay and fight that. If it helps, consider every time you stay focused a small victory over them, and that your persistence is really bugging them, more than you will ever know. Every day you remember the battle is a victory for you, and a punishment for them.

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