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CjH (Colorado)
Posts: 17
Posted:
We have had a number of different complaints brought to our HOA Board of seemingly ridiculous items that are pitting neighbors against neighbors. Our once wonderful neighborhood is turning into an angry bunch of people over silly things.

For now, we'll just concentrate on one question.

Two years ago a home in this neighborhood was bought and in the contract the buyer stated that the home beside him had a patio cover and a retaining wall which was an eyesore to him-and said that since it had not been approved in writing by the Architectural Approval Authority it made it a covenant violation. He (the buyer) asked in his contract that the violation be corrected by the patio cover being removed and the retaining wall being redone in rock rather than RR ties. Our developer, who was also acting as his realitor, agreed to his contract simply because he was desperate to sell the house which had been vacant for almost a year. ( We would like to add that the patio cover and retaining wall is very attractively done and everyone in the neighborhood thinks it's great)

So, almost two years later, he notifies the board of his complaint and now wants the board to correct what he deems as a covenant violation.

OK. So our question is this: Because of the amount of time which has passed (20 months to be exact) do we really need to even address this matter? Surely, these people who have had this patio cover and RR ties in place
now for over 2 years don't have to take it all down?

Hopefully, this situation can be resolved quickly.

Thank you for your time.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
CjH - As far as I see it the buyer and the developer entered into a contract. This contract had a stipulation that was not contingent upon the purchase of the home. The home was purchased without the supposed patio "eyesore" being remedied. Nor does the stipulation in the contract have any bearing on the responsibility of the association board to fulfill. It seems, stress on the word seems, the developer entered into a contract and made promises that can not be satisfied.

1) does the board have the contract with the covenant stipulation? If not, you will be acting on hearsay. If you haven't done so already, for record keeping purposes only, and state it that way, request a copy of the contract.

2) Very important, is the claim that there was no architectural approval accurate? The aesthetic appeal of the modification aside, if there was no pre-approval, and IF pre-approval was required At The Time...than techncially what was modified was a no, no. Interesting would be to see when the modification was done, AND was the Developer in control of the association at the time? If so it's the Developer's fault for permitting the modification in the first place. Be that as it may, there's been so much time that has passed, especially after the buyer's purchase that I don't see any way you can now go back and enforce the modification.

3) If it can't be resolved amicably with a stern letter to the buyer regarding the Board resolution, contact an attorney and have a letter written from council.

DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
Posted:
CjH

What was included in the sales contract is between buyer and seller. Neither the buyer nor the seller can obligate the association in that manner.

On the other hand, a violation of the CC&Rs is a violation. Likely, the association has the responsibility for enforcing the provisions in the CC&Rs. Accordingly, if either the seller or the buyer asked for enforcement of the CC&Rs against the neighbor by the association, the association is obligated to investigate and take appropriate action.

The two years wouldn't nullify the obligation to enforce.

You should check the specific language in the CC&Rs and the case law in your state.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:


CjH,

As a Board member following a "turnover" from the Developer, we unfortunately inherited many similar situations that you are being faced with. The Developer allowed a couple of Propane tanks to be installed underground for heating of swimming pools, which are not allowed per our covenants, allowed 2 irrigation wells, which are not allowed, told people in section 1, that he did not care if they pumped water from the lakes to irrigate, which is also not allowed per the Docs.

Now we have turnover, establish the ARC committee which also monitors the landscape and grounds applications, including pool approvals and send them off to do their chores. They get 2 applications for pools, including Propane heaters which require tanks to be installed. They denied the Propane tanks and well, it got to be a royal battle from there. By now, the precident had been established with 27 tanks already in the ground. We had to go thru the covenant amendment process in order to have everyone in compliance.

But that was easy because the tanks are NOT visable to neighbors but your story of the patio cover IS visable. It is clearly against the protective covenants which have to be enforced. Get a grip on this asap. Developers should stay out of the business of "selective" approving items. It is now going to cost the association money to get this fixed and it will cause anger among the neighbors, those for and those against removing the cover
CjH (Colorado)
Posts: 17
Posted:
Thank you Gerald T4 for your quick reply. You were right on!! We will request a copy of the contract.

You asked: "Is the claim that there was no architectural approval accurate?"

In the covenants it states:
The Architectural Approval Authority shall respond in writing to the Applicant within 30 calendar days after receiving the complete plans. The response may approve or disapprove the plans, approve the plans with conditions or make recommendations for changes or adjustments deemed necessary or appropriate by the Architectural Approval Authority. If the Architectural Approval Authority does not respont do the Applicant within 45 days after receiving any plans, the plans shall be deemed approved. However, there was no WRITTEN approval. But, would there have to be written approval with the way that covenant is stated?

Yes. The patio cover homeowner did submit the plans to the Architectural Approval Authority (which was solely and only the developer himself) and then waited 45 days to which the Arc. App. Auth. did NOT respond. They assumed it was approved and proceeded to build.

The covenants do NOT say that patio covers are not allowed.

And yes, the developer was in control of the association at the time. In fact, the HOA Board had not even been formed at that point at all.

We really appreciate your answering our questions. We're kind of stumped with this one. The homeowner making the complaint is obsessed with this whole thing and is demanding the board to fine and make the homeowner take down the patio cover.

Oh, and one more question. The homeowner with the patio cover and RR tie retaining wall had that all in place before the buyer ever bought. Can people actually look at a prospective home to buy, and put in their contract that they don't like something about the home next door and they'll buy the prospective home if the neighbor will change or take out whatever it is they don't like? (Don't know if I'm making myself too clear or not, but hopefully you'll understand what I'm trying to ask.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
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Posted By CjH on 03/07/2008 9:46 PM

Oh, and one more question. The homeowner with the patio cover and RR tie retaining wall had that all in place before the buyer ever bought. Can people actually look at a prospective home to buy, and put in their contract that they don't like something about the home next door and they'll buy the prospective home if the neighbor will change or take out whatever it is they don't like? (Don't know if I'm making myself too clear or not, but hopefully you'll understand what I'm trying to ask.

You can put anything you want in a contract, that doesn't make it enforceable on a third party unless they also sign agreeing to the terms. In this case the buyer's sole remedy IMO would be against the seller who made claims he could not enforce. It would be different if the seller owned both properties then (maybe) it would be a valid argument.

I would send a letter to the complaining homeowner welcoming him to the neighborhood but informing him that his neighbor acted properly when the offending items were built and is in compliance. Because these things have a way of spinning out of control I would have the Associations attorney draft the response to make sure you're not opening the association to litigation.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
CjH - If it were me, I'd recommend the Board provide all the facts to the owner that is complaining, including the fact that the Developer did not respond to the owner's original ARC. App within the 45 days, sighting the covenants, etc. Your question, "Can people actually look at a prospective home to buy, and put in their contract that they don't like something about the home next door and they'll buy the prospective home if the neighbor will change or take out whatever it is they don't like?" My answer is YES buyers can try to include whatever contingencies they want in a sales contract however they have no leg to stand on to enforce a legal restriction, especially upon land they do not own. In your case the owner bought the home. It sounds to me like the owner is seriously deficient in real estate and association laws. Your board needs to provide the education. Based upon everything you've stated the owner has absolutely, positively, no leg to stand on this one. I would be very clear in writing to this complaining owner stating, "At this time, now presented with all the facts, the entire Board, and the association attorney, unanimously consider this matter forever resolved with the association. Please consider the same."

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