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BruceK3 (Arizona)
Posts: 14
Posted:
We have something happening that I have not quite encountered before. The short version is a homeowner is constantly submitting complaint after complaint about the tenants of one investor/owner. This person has 5 units or so, and the homeowner takes it upon himself to walk through the complex (none are adjacent or even visible from his unit), take pictures of anything (such visitor's car, something placed earlier that same day on the front porch) that he can make a complaint out of. He used to confront these tenants, but the HOA advised him to stop doing that, and the tenants basically said if he continued to bother them, he would have a physically painful result. The landlord for his part has taken every complaint to the tenants, and are resolved or getting resolved.

I know the tentants and one family lives next door to me. I have no issues at all with them. Being on the board, I see his complaints, and they are generally embellished, but some are simply not true.

The residents in question happen to all be minorities. It seems as though he is either trying to bother the landlord so much, that they will be evicted, or for whateever reason, he doesn't like the landlord.

My question is: Does anyone know if Arizona has an abuse of process statute with respect to HOA's, and use of the CC&R's and bylaws to selectively harrass someone? He is also costing us money by reporting all these complaints to the management company. I really would like to hear a lot less from this person, who is actually our only complainer, but he seems to be victimized each and every day.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Bruce,
This is an internal problem and should be handled by the Board alone.
Number 1, instruct the management company to not accept any calls from him. Delete his messages or whatever they need to do but do not accept any calls or messages.

Numer 2 . Write a very stern letter from the Board, stateing that you appreciate his concern but that he is putting the Board in a liablous position as well as himself. That he must cease and desist his policeing of the neighborhood and that matters of violations are handled by the Board or a violation committee(hope that you have one) Be very assertive with him.

This person has too much time to kill and because they have not been stopped before this, it has escallated to out of control. You do not need to go to the State laws for this.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
DonnaS - You mean instruct the MC to not accept any calls or messages from him regarding a complaint against the particular owner/landlord, correct? Even if that's what you meant, I doubt the MC can or should deny someone from communicating, even if it's a nuisance call or message. What occurs if the complaining owner has a real reason to call the MC and he/she is denied the ability to communicate it? Wouldn't that pose a liability?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Gerald,
It might possible pose a problem with the complainerwhen no one picks up his calls buthow much should the association and PM take?. We had a similar problem with one of our "truck" guys that we went to court on. He would ride thru the neighborhood, videoing any and all what he thought were violations , call the PM and basically harrassed everyone with e-mails and calls.
We did the letter thing but we used the attorney and he then stopped. He continued to call the PM so she went to all voice mails, basically screening his calls to her. Sometimes you have to gamble that this is harrassment on his part and it causes work impedement to the PM. There is no bullet proof solution.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
DonnaS: You are correct. An MC, while remaining professional, certainly has the right to allow a "certain caller's" calls to go to voice mail, especially with the consent of the Board to do so. If indeed, there is an emergency situation, the MC certainly can respond appropriately.

At times it takes a professional to separate those who seek to be habitual problem-makers vs. those who are actually in need of and appreciate an MC's help and assistance. Hopefully, for us all, we have more of the latter in our resident-communities.

BruceK3 (Arizona)
Posts: 14
Posted:
It is a problem that we can't appear to not want to take on legitimate concerns. We really don't hear complaints from anyone else, but this one person is victimized daily it seems.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
With all due respect Donna, I don't think you can deny any member from reporting violations. What is your criteria to cut off reporting and how did you establish it? Three or more? Ten? I'm surprised you haven't been challenged on that. Maybe you need to go to written and signed complaints.
Bruce, are you following Arizona Revised Statutes 33-1803 for due process on violations? Part of that statute requires that you must provide the following information if a member properly questions a violation notice. Some HOAs are providing this information up front with the first notice to conserve time and not prolong the process:

1. The provision of the community documents that has allegedly been violated.

2. The date of the violation or the date the violation was observed.

3. The first and last name of the person or persons who observed the violation.

4. The process the member must follow to contest the notice.

In order to comply with No. 3 our association requires all violation notices to be in writing and signed by the person submitting it. No more verbal or anonymous notifications accepted. This might be an avenue you want to look into. It certainly cuts way down on retaliatory violation reports if the person reporting knows that it must be in writing and signed; it will become a permanent record; and will be disclosed to the alleged violator.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
DonnaS - Sorry, I see what you are saying. Let his calls go to voice-mail and screen them. Got it. Yes, I agree, don't actually speak to the offender, but screen the calls and cherry pick those to respond to. Got it!! : )
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
HaroldS - I believe I misinterpreted Donna's post. I think she meant just screen the calls, let them go to voice mail, that kind of thing.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Harold,
I so agree with what you have said and any violation or complaint should and must be in writting. That's how we do it down here too. But I get the impression that the poster has what we call "condo comando" running amuck in the neighborhood. These kind of cases won't fill out forms and are just basically a thorn in everyones sides. Turn the tables on them and complain about them and they don't have a clue that they are doing anything wrong. The self appointed caretaker of the rules, they think they are.
BruceK3 (Arizona)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Harold is correct. It's not a matter of reporting violations that might infringe on that homeowner, or really bother anyone, but he does run amuck (this is a good description in this case) with his camera, going all over the complex, looking for anything he can find to report. I have caught him in two lies so far...fabricating violations. He has gone so far as to hurt himself falling from a wall trying to climb up and take picutres of people's back yards.

Then...the HOA and PM get all the fun of hearing never-ending complaints. He shows up at the board meetings to show his pictures one by one, all petty offenses, and most are things that were resolved. We tried everything from patiently listening to telling him he could only report unresolved, previously reported complaints. He just never tires of it for some reason, and dedicates most of his free time to spying on his neighbors.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

YUP!!, Send this guy a legal looking letter. He is going to cause some damage soon if he isn't stopped.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
"The landlord for his part has taken every complaint to the tenants, and are resolved or getting resolved."

Didn't think I'd be on this side of the discussion but here goes.

Sounds like these are legitimate violations based on the statement above so how can posters then say ignor the guy?

There is nothing saying the guy has to report any or all violations but if what he is reporting are legitamite violations then there is no abuse or necessarily any targeting. If the family doesn't violate the CCR's there can be no complaints, right.

Petty offenses? Well only if there are 'petty' ccr's.

BruceK3 (Arizona)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Some are valid, and I would welcome the valid ones. Some are splitting hairs...if someone parks their car in a way that is considered "illegal" for the sole purpose of unloading something heavy for 5 minutes, I don't think it needs to come to the board. Others have been embellished (a broom on the porch while someone is cleaning is not an "accumulation of junk" when it is again resolved in several minutes...but he gets a picture while it's there and says it was like that for a week).

If someone has that kind of time to stalk their neighbors for things like that, I really think they should question how much they are using their time and energy to enrich their own lives. This person is getting to the point of being creepy about watching neighbors who he has to leave his house and do some traveling to go watch, otherwise he would have no idea what went on.

The complaints are targeted to the specific residents of one owner. I agree there is a point to the CC&R's and By-laws, but they are not meant for neighbors to play "gotcha" with each other.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
"but they are not meant for neighbors to play "gotcha" with each other."

Neighbours? How about Boards? Sorry I couldn't resist.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
BruceK3, I would not suggest that you "ignore" the individual (crying wolf), as there maybe a legitimate reason for the complaints (as noted by the owner's willingness to contact the tenants for a cure).

In the words of any seasoned government employee, I would suggest that you have the "commando" list the complaint, citation from the documents, provide proof (pictures, etc), and to also prepare to address the board with his findings. I strongly suspect that after having to complete those "book-reports" there maybe a drop-off in his active participation.

You have still allowed him to be heard, just required (because of the frequency of the complaints) the burden of proof to shift to him.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Bruce, every Association has someone like this to some extent and while their behavior may seem petty and vindictive to most people. These individuals are on a mission, either to improve the community to what they think it should be; right some perceived wrong or just make everyone as miserable as they are. Like it or not you have to address the many and varied complaints. Now that doesn't mean you have to stop everything and investigate but if the next time the MC does his/her neighborhood inspection if the problem still exists then you have to send a violation letter to the HO. It doesn't matter whether it's a beef with the tenants or the landlord if the violation exists it must be dealt with. However if the problem is not there when the MC or Board member gets there send him a letter that the complaint was investigated and the home was in compliance at the time of inspection. But document that every complaint was investigated.


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