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GaryM3 (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Hello Everyone. I am trying to find a good rule that has been updated with the FCC OTARD Rule. If you have one please post it. This will be helpful for those that want to change their rules that are reasonable and still protect the interest of the community.

Additionally, I need to know if you can properly ground a dish according the NEC if the dish is not within close proximity to the electrical service connection/grounding electrode system (located at the same place). What is the maximum distance you can run the grouding wire to the electrical service connection/grounding electrode system.

Thanks Gary Moore
NL (Virginia)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Gary, satellite dishes continue to be a thorn in the side of HOA, we have a very strict policy regarding installation following the FCC Guidelines, we have a renter who has just put his on the front of the property.....basically the owner says screw the HOA we and our tenant will do whatever we want, we are suing them for other issues and will lump this in with our filings, our lawyer says he knows of only one case where the courts have upheld an HOA Rules and Regs regarding satellite dishes...I am waiting for him to get the name of the case to me and will fill u in on what it was all about.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
GaryM3 - Regarding the FCC ruling, who and what it applies to go to http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html for the FCC ruling

You will learn that the (FCC)rule (that requires reception) does not apply to common areas that are owned by a landlord, a community association, or jointly by condominium or cooperative owners where the antenna user does not have an exclusive use area.

Such common areas may include the roof or exterior wall of a multiple dwelling unit. Therefore, restrictions on antennas installed in or on such common areas are enforceable.

The rule applies to antenna users who live in a multiple dwelling unit building, such as a condominium or apartment building, if the antenna user has an exclusive use area in which to install the antenna. "Exclusive use" means an area of the property that only you, and persons you permit, may enter and use to the exclusion of other residents.

Additionally there are restrictions requiring that a person not place an antenna within a certain distance from a power line, even if it impairs reception.

As for your question regarding proper distance for grounding wire, sounds more like an electrician could properly answer that.

GaryM3 (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Hello All:

Thank you for your responses. I have read and I think I understand the fcc rule fairly well. What I am looking for is an HOA rule that an HOA or someone has developed that they think is a good rule that they think would be a model for the rest of us.

The question that I have about the grounding issue is because we have had residents indicate that their dish is at a certain place because the NEC requires it to be grounded to the electrical grounding system of the house. I have been uable to find a good electrician to give me a straight answer on this issue. As you know the installers install these dishes almost everywhere on a house. The place that they install most often is near the electrical service meter as the house grounding system (ground rod) is located at that location. Many time this location is on the side of the house but to the front (obviously noticeable). If there is no maximum length of grounding wire as long as it is grounded to the ground rod is some fashion then the dish can be place anywhere on the house where an acceptable quality signal could be obtained.

Thanks
Gary Moore
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
We recently amended our covenants and the relevant portions for this discussion are:

"DBS and MMDS satellite dishes or antennas one meter or less in diameter and television broadcast service antennas may only be installed in accordance with Federal Communication Commission (FCC) rules and the rules and regulations of the Association, both as may be amended from time to time.

DBS and MMDS satellite dishes or antennas one meter or less in diameter and television broadcast service antennas may be installed by Owner in a place not visible to the Community, without prior approval from the board. However, should the Owner be unable to receive an acceptable transmission from a non-visible location within the Lot or Villa, a satellite dish or antenna may be erected in an area visible to the community but the Owner must notify the Association in writing, of the location and the reason for the placement. The Board may request said satellite dish or antenna, be screened from view."

Then we amended our ARC Rules on the subject to be:

1). Satellite TV dishes may be installed without ARC application or approval.
2). The HOA requests installation in a location that is not visible from the street.
3). If the satellite TV dish installer determines that only a location visible from the street provides an adequate signal or adequate grounding, the owner must subsequently notify the property manager in writing of this circumstance.

GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
JohnO6 - The amended and original seem to be saying the same thing.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Gerald, yes, but in language even I can understand!

LOL!!
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
Yes, more understandable language, got it. LOL.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
Actually no .. .. .. both are the amended versions:

The first is the amended declaration (e.g. covenants) whereas the second is the amended ARC Rules as established by the Board of Directors.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
JohnO6 - OK, but why is the wording not exactly the same in the covenants and ARC rules? If they are saying the same thing, why the legalese that appears in the covenants?
BernardH (Virginia)
Posts: 28
Posted:
The right to have a satellite TV dish on one's place of domicile stems from a federal mandate issued by The Congress of the United States in October 2006, known as the Telecommunications Act of 1996. It has since been amended a few times, to remain contemporary, but the part that you are looking for is located in Title 47 Section 1.4000. This law only covers tv dishes and nothing in regards to solar paneling. But this too is important.

Please use the following links to read this at the FCC's website:

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Here are two more links that pertain to this issue, and it's rather interesting:

http://realtytimes.com/rtcpages/20030813_satellite.htm

http://realtytimes.com/rtapages/20041228_dishrestrictions.htm

All in all, the bottom line is that federal law simply trumps whatever rules a HOA or landlord may have established.

Regards,
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
Gerald - it's pretty simple really. When we amended the declaration our HOA attorney wrote the legalese; our board wrote the "english" version - kind of like interpreting don't you think?

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