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LaverneB (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Our community is a 55+ single housing. What oue docs read now is anyone can but a home but not live in it unless one person is 55. With alot of home on the market, we have investors coming in buying and renting them. This is not good. As a board we want the new docs to read you have to 55+ to BUY in here. Period! I think the whole community will be better off. How do we go about doing this? and do we have to bring it to the people? Alot of the original owners thought this is the way it always was.I live in Florida and want to do this the correct way. Can the Board make a decision to change the docs???
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
LaverneB: You state, "we have investors coming in buying and renting them. This is not good." Your situation is arising out of a buyer renting out the unit to tenants. Now, is the buyer not being 55 the problem or are the tenants not being 55 the problem? Or, is the problem arising out of buyers just not living in their units, and your association is becoming more renters than live-in buyers. This is what you need to determine.

Once you establish what you want to restrict, buyers and/or tenants, then you can proceed accordingly. Do your documents stipulate that the housing is for 55 and older ONLY? One situation may require an amendment change to the docs, and the other may require an agreement from the Association to the buyer that they can only rent to tenants 55 and over, since the legal docs state it is housing for 55 and over, provided one person is 55, and the name on the deed from the buyer is actually 55 or over.

Now, how the buyer will/will not monitor the ages of his tenants is another story....but, not certain this is your concern.

BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
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Posted By LaverneB on 02/26/2008 9:13 AM
Our community is a 55+ single housing. What oue docs read now is anyone can but a home but not live in it unless one person is 55. With alot of home on the market, we have investors coming in buying and renting them. This is not good. As a board we want the new docs to read you have to 55+ to BUY in here. Period! I think the whole community will be better off. How do we go about doing this? and do we have to bring it to the people? Alot of the original owners thought this is the way it always was.I live in Florida and want to do this the correct way. Can the Board make a decision to change the docs???

Do i understand correctly? Currently, an 18 year old can BUY a home in your community, but can't live there unless there is a 55+ year old in residence as well.

And you want to change the rule to you must be 55+ to BUY? (period!)

What good will that do? If you change the rules, then a 55 year old could BUY the house, then rent it to a dozen 20 year olds, and be legal under your rules.

I think it's the "(Period!)" that is throwing me... do you want to make it so the age to buy is your only rule (PERIOD!) or do you want to add to it and require that the buyer be 55 AND the Resident be 55 as well?

One more general question for the legal beagles here... If a bank forecloses on a home in a 55+ neighborhood, does the bank have to be 55 years old to own the property? Or does the loan officer have to be 55? How does it work with age restrictions and bank repossessions?

Alternately, how would it work with ANY reposession? Say, for example, a mechanic's lien on a home. If the contractor was 30, would the lien be worthless then?
LaverneB (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Brian follow me here. Yes a 18 year old can buy a house, but not live in it. But, can rent to someone who is 55+ Every person is screened no matter if its a rental or buyer. We take copies of license or another form of ID. We get copy of lease, etc...i don't follow your wording about "bunch of 20 year olds" moving in"No one under 55 can move in....
LaverneB (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Brian again you are being "silly" about a bank being 55, now get real. Yes the bank can only sell to 55+ that we already checked out.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
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Hi LAverne,
One of my rental units is in a 55+ community. The Federal Government. as you know, has limitations on the number of units that can be occupied by persons under the age of 55. That percent is 20%. What you are trying to accomplish is to not allow any persons under the age of 55 to own or live.

Actually this is not a problem for your association to enact. You will need to go thru an amendment change per the requirements from your Bylaws as to the number to pass an amendment. This is handled just like any other amendment. The Florida Statutes DO NOT address this in any way as long as you do it per your amendment change requirements.

I know that many posters will get on this bandwagon to argue whether you should do this. The question tho is "Can we do this"? and the answer is-Yes you can.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Laverne, what i was asking about was clarification on some of your terms:

You said "change the rule", but what I think you meant was "add to the rule". You want to KEEP the rule that you must be 55+ to live there, not CHANGE it be that you have to be 55+ to buy there. Then you want to ADD a rule that you have to be 55+ to buy.

that's what was throwing me.. but now i understand.

But an honest question: if a bank owns a home, does the bank get to vote in annual elections?

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I don't think you can legislate the purchaser by age. You need to check the Discrimination Laws for that. Residency is another whole thing.

P.S. With the housing market the way it is, you should be glad that foreclosures and vancancies are not the problem.

Choose your battles. What are the REAL issures in your neighborhood that makes you think that being over 55+ is going to solve?

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Susan,
Normally , you cannot discriminate against certain things but the Fed Govt has allowed the 55+ housing to remain as such if the governing documents allow for it. A 55+ commuity CAN have up to 20% under 55 residents if they chose to before they would lose their Federal designation but they are not required to have any percent if they so choose .In this case, Laverne's community is a designated 55+ community and they can amend to not allow anyone under 55.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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Are you saying that this Federal program requires the BUYER to be 55+? That's what the orginal poster wants.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
HERE" FROM THE SEATTLE TIMES:

Drawbacks, good points to being over 55

By Elizabeth Rhodes

Seattle Times staff reporter

Q: All the owners in our small condominium are older. What would we have to do to officially turn our building into an "over-55" community?

A: First, you must amend your condo's declaration, which would require a vote of the owners, said attorney Dean Pody, who's with the Mercer Island law office of Kris Sundberg.

Next, you'd have to comply with a federal law — the Housing for Older Persons Act of 1995 — so that you didn't violate the various fair-housing laws passed to fight age discrimination.

Under the Housing for Older Persons Act, 80 percent of the units must be occupied (not necessarily owned) by at least one person age 55 or older.

The facility must be clearly identified as an over-55 community, and the association must publish and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate the intent required.

Also worth considering is whether turning your building into an over-55 complex is wise.

On the plus side: There aren't enough adult communities to serve the growing number of baby boomers beginning to retire, noted Edward Krigsman, founder of Seattle's ek Real Estate Group. So that could make your building attractive to older buyers.

But demographics alone aren't enough.

"Generally when you limit the pool of buyers, you lower the value of the property," Krigsman cautioned. "So you have to have something that offsets the impact of that limitation substantially."

Such amenities as a game room where planned activities would be offered would be one.

Another would be good accessibility — elevators, wide hallways, kitchens and baths that could accommodate wheelchairs. Nearby medical care is another plus.

Krigsman suggests you interview the managers of several over-55 condo communities before proceeding. Describe your building and ask them for their observations and advice.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

NO, I did not say that the Federal Government requires the buyer to be 55+. The Fed. says that AT LEAST 80% of the occupants MUST be 55+ in order to keep their senior designation. The association itself may pass requirements to require all owners to be 55+. Believe it or not, there are very many of these type developements around the country.
LaverneB (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
yes we want the amendment so that you have to be 55+ to buy, or live here.The plus side is to stop the investors that are buying and renting. Lets get real a renter does not take as good a scare as a homeowner. I feel at this time we (HOA) is losing some control. We have a great community for the last 28 years. Alot od care and voluteer work made this like it is . Just trying to keep it is all
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Laverne,

As someone said "pick your battles". The market has not bottomed out in Florida yet. This should happen by the end of the year. If you change your docs. are you ready for a lot of "For Sale" signs. You say the homes are selling now. If the requirment is changed the homes may not sell, then you as a homeowner will be picking up the tab for non payment of dues, liens and foreclosures that may happen as a result of this change.

The changes to the docs can always be done at a later date, but in rough times to impose restrictions, that are not there could cause financial problems for all the HOA.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
LaverneB: You state you are a 55 and over community; however, you also want to create an amendment to dictate that you must be 55+ to buy in your community. Is your community legally recorded as a 55+ community? Or, do you just happen to have residents who are over 55, and until the investors came along renting to younger, this is how it was.

You must address this legally. Review the section in the very beginning of your Declaration: "Summary of Community Documents" to learn if an 'age restriction' is shown as applicable to the use and occupancy of units.

Once you learn whether your documents state such, you may have to go to your local municipality to review with them.

GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
LaverneB - I too am confused by your post. My understanding is that a 55+ community is one where at least one of the owners of record must be 55+ at least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older. You stated that your docs. read anyone can buy a home. Normally that wouldn't be the case in a 55+ community, correct? If your docs don't read you have to be 55+ to buy than are you truly a 55+ community? Sounds like what you are seeking to do is make a material amendment to your Articles of Incorporation. That usually requires a vote of owners, at least 2/3rd's to vote in favor.

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