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NoelleC (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Ok.. its that same issue again. We have a board member who thinks he can just go ahead and do things without checking the proper channels cc&r's or bylaws!

I filled a position on the board in Jan of 07 after a break from this commitee.. I walked into a new fiscal budget already planned on. Our building is visually not well maintained. Paint chips on wood missing, mismatched paint jobs where grafitti has been done, window awnings that are actaully torn and have bits of material haning off of them. I asked the board about their budget for 2008 as it did not mention or allow for new paint, or replacement of the awnings. I actually have an email from the stated know it all who actually said that the aesthetic appearance of our building didn't affect our over all property values and that the awnings on the building are in good shape! He also gave my husband money to get our car repaired when contracted outside vendor scratched our car. Not following the up and up road of getting an estimate, submitting it to the board and so on. The man was emailed by me and told him that the kind gesture was not his responsibility but I would go ahead return his funds and go the proper channels. He emailed me back and said he had a verbal agreement with my husband and that he didn't wish to continue this conversation with me but the proper car owner himself. That idiot didn't relize that my husband drives a car... that was mine before I got married, it's legally registered to me. My spouse emailed him, told him to treat me with respect like I do him, and for him to think that we are not on the same level or agreeement on things is his error.
That idiot never apologized.

** I emailed him the cc&r that stated the HOA is legally responsible to keep the building maintained if funds are available and it stated that each HOA member could be held legally responsible and be sued individually o and he stated he will be happy to see a budget set for this in 2009 and "Regarding our CC&R's and liability issues we are in good standing and on solid ground. "

He is a dominant figure and he is NOT the President. But he has every intention of running for president in April for our annual election.

What I would like to do is sum up with bullet points a simplified presentation of a picture of an awning with torn shreds, the cc&r reference to the need to maintain and an excerpt or quaote from an email and present this to our home owners.. door to door. Try to get them involved to either attend meetings or better yet, run for the board them selves.

ANy advice on the HOA'r who doesn't know the rules that he must abide by?
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
run for president in your april elections? do you mean solicit votes from the board members, or do you run your board offices by common vote of the homeowners?

If so, i suggest you look into the by laws closely.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
I'm not sure what you mean - running for president. Generally the board itself selects the officers from among themselves.
You don't mention the other board members or the actual presiding presidnet. What are they doing while this fellow runs the show? He is only one member of the board. He needs his wings clipped.
NoelleC (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
The current president does NOTHING, often supporting this fools actions. I am saying this man has stated he is going to run for the president position. He just assumes he is going to go for it! He doesn't know the process.

None the less, he is a dangerous liability in my eyes. Making judgements without consulting the board, telling us what will be discussed at the next meeting, how things will run, what our budget is going to do.... he hasn't even served a full year and he is a nightmare.
NoelleC (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
The current president does NOTHING, often supporting this fools actions. I am saying this man has stated he is going to run for the president position. He just assumes he is going to go for it! He doesn't know the process.

None the less, he is a dangerous liability in my eyes. Making judgements without consulting the board, telling us what will be discussed at the next meeting, how things will run, what our budget is going to do.... he hasn't even served a full year and he is a nightmare.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
NoelleC, re-read the previous posts one more time; there are options afforded to you there. The board president position is often (not going to say always, as it may vary in some folks governing doc's), elected by their peers on the board - who are elected in whole, as a body, by the votes of the entire membership.

If you have five folks on your board, you have a President/VP/Treasurer/Secretary, and one additional director.

Get your NEIGHBORS and fellow owners INVOLVED so that a new board, or one that is (hopefully) better situated is seated. That is the ONLY way to get the blow-hard off of the board. Also please remember that the President (whoever that maybe) yields (again in most governing doc's) ONE vote just like every other board member. Something, or a group of "someones" have elected this guy to the board over and over again, for him to be positioned to then run for President - find out what the support is for this guy and counteract that.

This will not happen overnight (unless the election gods smile down on you); but it can happen. I have been President of my board for almost a year now; we are undergoing transition from developer, and I have already replaced five board members (either left the community, conflict of interests, laziness, overzealous, etc). It ain't fun or pretty, but the work needs to be done...
NoelleC (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
I guess I didn't make myself clear.. let me try this again.

We are voted onto the board by the homeowners. Then amongst ourselves and then we less formally name the different people to the different positions President, ECT. This man has openly told me he wants the Presidents position, and plans on "running for it". He doesn't know the process.... acts on his own and clearly thinks that he is well suited for this job. Has only served on the board for months as he accepted the position when another board member left mid term due to a conflict on the board. WIth that one person leaving it left the HOA in a bad predicament.

My point is he clearly is dangerous in the way he acts on his own, doesn't know the Davis Sterling Act, follow CC&R's ect. ( Like handing my husband money to get our car fixed, not to turn it into the board. Very shady guy with an agenda... yet unknown.

Is the idea of flyers going to work? Making bullet points on them in regards to the failure of the current board to meet their fiduciary requirements and gong door to door?

NoelleC (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
I guess I didn't make myself clear.. let me try this again.

We are voted onto the board by the homeowners. Then amongst ourselves and then we less formally name the different people to the different positions President, ECT. This man has openly told me he wants the Presidents position, and plans on "running for it". He doesn't know the process.... acts on his own and clearly thinks that he is well suited for this job. Has only served on the board for months as he accepted the position when another board member left mid term due to a conflict on the board. WIth that one person leaving it left the HOA in a bad predicament.

My point is he clearly is dangerous in the way he acts on his own, doesn't know the Davis Sterling Act, follow CC&R's ect. ( Like handing my husband money to get our car fixed, not to turn it into the board. Very shady guy with an agenda... yet unknown.

Is the idea of flyers going to work? Making bullet points on them in regards to the failure of the current board to meet their fiduciary requirements and gong door to door?

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
NoelleC: Would you kindly zero in on the point made..."Has only served on the board for months as he ACCEPTED THE POSITION when another board member left mid term due to a conflict on the board." Was this 'rebel' board member actually APPOINTED by the Board to fill a SEAT from one who resigned? Or, was this person actually ELECTED to his seat on the Board and the Board reviewed his qualifications and agreed for him to act as President.

It sounds as though your Association and Board may not be fulfilling the normal chain of elected seats to the Board; that is, unless your docs state otherwise to the process.

Would you post how other Board membe/homeowners feel about this person?

NoelleC (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
They hate him..

He was appointed by the board.. not elected.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Well, if the rest of your board can't control this fellow, I would be sure that you have excellent insurance or be certain your oposing vote is recorded in the minutes. He sounds like a loose cannon that will most certainly create some problems that could get your board in legal trouble. Is he even aware of the Davis-Stirling Act? Harold
NoelleC (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
He pretends to be... but if he did he would be really doing more things along the lines of the law, not making decisions outside of the hoa ect.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
NoelleC, re-read my post; if this gentleman was appointed by the current board-members then they acquience to his presence and actions. The same way ou enter the board, is the same way that you can be removed. Appointed members, serve the remainder of unexpired terms (in most doc's), therefore this gentleman can be removed from the board by a vote of the board.
ShawnaF (Colorado)
Posts: 84
Posted:
"What I would like to do is sum up with bullet points a simplified presentation of a picture of an awning with torn shreds, the cc&r reference to the need to maintain and an excerpt or quaote from an email and present this to our home owners.. door to door. Try to get them involved to either attend meetings or better yet, run for the board them selves."

Um...I'd say that this is a really bad idea. Going door to door and handing out fliers to show bad things that a Board you are actually a part of is not productive. As a Board member, even when things are ugly and you're dealing with someone like that (and yes, I totally relate and understand your aggravation!) you still have an obligation to the corporation and association primarily and that includes the duty of maintaining confidentiality, so bad-mouthing anything that happens as a Board and as a Board member just because you don't agree (even when you're right) can get you into trouble. So, you'd really be working against yourself in something like that. Have you thought of talking to the other Board members as a group and trying to work it out? (Assuming he won't talk with you.)

I'm dealing with an aggravating situation myself and gathering information from legal seminars, doing research, and CAI gatherings. I'm no longer serving on the Board, but as a former BOD with info I still have to maintain my duties and protect the corporation and association. So, I'm going to make sure I have myself fully educated and present the entire information to the ENTIRE Board along with solutions to resolve issues, not just the difficult individual causing the problems and acting individually.
NoelleC (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
How is it that what happens in the board is confidential? I as a homeowner and a board member would like to know why things aren't being done properly. LIke ignoring our reserve studies, trying to impose special assessements when monies are in the reserve.

If I had not stopped these things from happening.. our homeowners are non the wiser.. I beg to differ,, but I would want to know what the hell is going on and what they are doing with our monthly dues..

How about putting flyers anonymously then? Would that be "acceptable"?
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Rebel or reformer...

Reformer works from within the system to effect change; rebel bucks the system to effect change - both work, but the key is knowing which one to use.

Posting flyers will no doubt be counter-productive to your long-term goals, as it appears (from your posts here) that the other board members may not share your views. The other board members chose to appoint the blow-hard, and continue to support his presence on the board. While I do agree with you that board business is the community's business, and they have the right to know, and should be active in the goverance of the community - I do also see that other side of that coin.

Let me offer this... post flyers about the actions (proactive) that NEED to be done; not what is "wrong," about the board, community, etc. Also include the board's meeting time/date/place; committee structures (if any), useful information that seeks to encourage folks to become MORE active in the governance in the community. If your community is anything like the majority in the USA "apathy" is the fuel that assists errant boards, bad decisions, etc. - and your community is no different than most. Depending on the response, you will have your "answer" about whether your board, or even community, are willing to take, or committ to the actions necessary to turn things around.

... plus if this guy is as bad as you say he is; it will be quite evident to the community members, and that may "inspire" those apathic (either on the board, or community) to re-commit to the cause.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Let me get this straight, The association membership elects directors to the board and then the board "less formally name the different people to the different positions President, ECT"??? What???? Don't you have an ELECTION? I'm certain your bylaws must say the board ELECTS the officers. So, how does this appear in the minutes? Were they voted on? How is the result of the election of officers stated in the minutes of your last organizational meeting? Guess what. If you didn't ELECT your officers properly, you don't have any. You just think you have.

Here's the situation. You're supposed to elect your officers. If this guy wants to be president, he's got to get the majority of the votes from your board members. In other words, if you have a 5 member board, he needs 3 votes. So, the answer is simple. If there are going to be at least 2 board positions open, campaign like mad to get those 2 positions filled with people who won't vote for this guy. Then, with your vote, there will be 3 votes against this guy being president. Problem solved!
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
Noelle: I agree with one poster who stated to inform what is needed in your community. Its counter-productive for you to point out all the wrong things this Pres/person is not doing or doing. It will come back and bite you!

A flyer is OK, or a newsletter perhaps with a format for News Update, Board Concerns & Solutions, etc. Don't dare do this on your own and assume the REBEL you are accusing this person of being!!! You are a Board member and as a member you are to act as an entity. Yes, he is wrong with his rebel actions, but you hold the same authority now on the Board as he does and your vote counts.

Present the Newsletter/Flyer option at the next Board meeting; propose to work together on a format and a draft copy. Present it as a 'newsy' communication for the residents to be informed of those concerns which as yet the Board needs to address. Ask for volunteers; if you have any thoughts of social functions coming up for spring/summer, mention that as something to bring the community together. Make it light, but show a united front to the community. It will go much further than citing bullet points anonymously! That's a no-no.

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