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SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Our roof underlayment, asphalt, is 35 years old. We are not due to replace, per the Reserve Study, until 2033. Our Board want an engineering survey by an independent structural/roof engineer to verify the current date of replacement. This has come up because every roof leak we get seems to be put down to underlayment failure. In 2025 we spent $29,000 repairing roofs.

Pulling the replacement date forward does nothing to help our finances, underlayment predicted to cost 2.5 million, currently have 1.4 million in reserves. But that's a separate problem.

Does an independent assessment sound like the best next step? And also where do I go about finding an independent engineer in Northern CA to conduct the survey.

Thanks,

Sue
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By SusanO3 on 02/20/2026 4:50 PM
Our roof underlayment, asphalt, is 35 years old. We are not due to replace, per the Reserve Study, until 2033. Our Board want an engineering survey by an independent structural/roof engineer to verify the current date of replacement.
The "remaining useful life" numbers in reserve studies are mere estimates.

The underlayment might very well need replacement now rather than seven years from now.

Maybe you could ask the staff at the company that did your reserve study for recommendations on who could update the estimate of the remaining useful life of the underlayment.
SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
I did ask our Analyst for a recommendation, he hasn't got back to me. Thanks, Sue
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By SusanO3 on 02/20/2026 4:50 PM
Our roof underlayment, asphalt, is 35 years old. We are not due to replace, per the Reserve Study, until 2033. Our Board want an engineering survey by an independent structural/roof engineer to verify the current date of replacement. This has come up because every roof leak we get seems to be put down to underlayment failure. In 2025 we spent $29,000 repairing roofs.

Pulling the replacement date forward does nothing to help our finances, underlayment predicted to cost 2.5 million, currently have 1.4 million in reserves. But that's a separate problem.

Does an independent assessment sound like the best next step? And also where do I go about finding an independent engineer in Northern CA to conduct the survey.

Thanks,

Sue

What if the underlayment is bad now and your HOA spends $500k in repairs between now and 2033 putting bandaids to stop leaks?

Your board is doing the prudent steps to manage costs over the long term.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By SusanO3 on 02/20/2026 4:50 PM

Does an independent assessment sound like the best next step?
Yes, it does. Conventional wisdom: the greater the frequency of leaks, the more likely it is that a full roof replacement is needed.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Asphalt underlayment will last 29 to 30 years. So it appears that you are well past your useful life for the underlayment.

See:

What Is Roof Felt & How Long It Lasts?

SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
You are spot on with your comments and advice, thank you. Sue
JonG3 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
put it up for a verified community vote. you need the community involvement because many people think they are paying for something the "next owner" uses. a public meeting will just become a shouting match. put it up for verified vote. let the community see the outcome it wants.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By JonG3 on 03/13/2026 9:29 PM
put it up for a verified community vote. you need the community involvement because many people think they are paying for something the "next owner" uses. a public meeting will just become a shouting match. put it up for verified vote. let the community see the outcome it wants.

I disagree with a membership vote on if the roof is replaced or not.

The Board has a duty to maintain the common elements.
If the roof needs replaced, replace the roof.
Failure to do so can result in legal issues if something happens.

Now, I do think that if a special assessment is needed that the membership should vote on the special assessment.
JonG3 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
The vote would be for the special assessment as the OP stated they are about $1M short.
BryonW (Massachusetts)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Most bylaws do not require a unit owner vote to do a special assessment.

Assuming that is true at SusanO3's property - then I say don't do a vote.

Because: what if the result of the vote is a "no"? The roof is still failing, and still needs to be replaced. The board has a legal duty to replace it. But now the board is really stuck. They must ignore a unit owner vote in order to carry out their duty.
AnneB7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Just so I am understanding you correctly- your Reserve Study says your roofs can last until age 45?? That seems- WAY out of a typical Asphalt Roof LE. Is that LE a California thing? Here in MN, my parents pushed it with 30 years- a ton of leaks, too. My association just replaced a roof that was 7 years old (LONG story).

I think your board is smart to get an independent auditor. (May I recommend keeping their name for when the Water Mains reach the LE?)

I am also wondering if your Reserve Analysis was flawed? How old is it? If it's been more than 3 years, it might be time for an update or a redo.

Good luck.
SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Thank you all for your input. Agree that we would only need a majority vote of the community if we needed a special assessment to replace the underlayment. Currently we do not know if we will need a SA, or if we can get by on a phased replacement that spreads the costs over 6 years (for example). Currently, we have one roof that has leaked 4 times on the same roof plane (the plane has solar panels on it but impossible to say if that has caused the leaks).

We are getting bids on
1 Replacing the underlay on the roof plane with the leaks
2 Replacing just half the roof (this situation is on a townhouse, just one side leaking)
3 Replace both underlayment

This will give us a chance to see just how bad the underlay is on one roof (two homes) which will be helpful information in tackling the bigger underlay project.

It boggles the mind how unpaid volunteer Boards are meant to manage the decision making (with some professional help) on $2.5 M projects.
(rant over)

Sue

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