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TerriS6 (California)
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After attacking and maiming a member’s donkey a few times over 4 years, the director’s two large dogs recently mauled the donkey to death. How should the board deal with the director. A member is calling for director to step down.
TerriS6 (California)
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I forgot to mention the DA is prosecuting for negligence. Not sure exactly the charges.
DeanJ
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If your HOA has a regulation prohibiting unleashed dogs and/or free running dogs, they should proceed with an investigation and violation. If the members donkey on HOA property is a violation, that should be investigated and a violation issued.

If no regulations concerning these animals exist, the board should do nothing. It’s up to the owners to remove or not reelection.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/11/2026 7:55 PM
I forgot to mention the DA is prosecuting for negligence. Not sure exactly the charges.
From looking at the D-S site, I think the only possible path to removal by the board is if the HOA insurer steps in and says it cannot insure the HOA with this person on the board.

Else the membership can always remove the director via a recall election.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
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Please review the California dog laws such as 31602 and 31642. Google California dog laws.
TerriS6 (California)
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Well the dogs were put down the same day. These were problem dogs that had attacked before. The association could have serious liability over this.
TerriS6 (California)
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That is a real possibility.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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What Dean said. If the board member lets his or her dogs rum amok, do an investigation, send a violation notice and follow your policies with appeal rights, fines and all that. All this time you've been on the board and someone still needs to explain this to you???

The owner shoukd also know board members leave if they step down, get voted out or are recalled. Right now this is more of a dispute between residents, so the owner of the donkeys could sue for damages - maybe the ensuing fallout might prompt a resignation. If you think this deserves a censure from the rest of the board, call an executive session, make your case and the board can vote on it.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DeanJ
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/12/2026 7:27 AM
Well the dogs were put down the same day. These were problem dogs that had attacked before. The association could have serious liability over this.

Was said donkey on HOA property? And, why is your HOA allowing donkeys?
TerriS6 (California)
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The donkey was in his pasture. The dogs had attacked him before and attacked 3 separate families. We have all sorts of livestock. Large parcels and Ag transition zoning.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By SheliaH on 02/13/2026 12:10 PM
What Dean said. If the board member lets his or her dogs rum amok, do an investigation, send a violation notice and follow your policies with appeal rights, fines and all that. All this time you've been on the board and someone still needs to explain this to you???

The owner shoukd also know board members leave if they step down, get voted out or are recalled. Right now this is more of a dispute between residents, so the owner of the donkeys could sue for damages - maybe the ensuing fallout might prompt a resignation. If you think this deserves a censure from the rest of the board, call an executive session, make your case and the board can vote on it.


How often does a board member have to deal with this situation? Rarely!
DeanJ
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/14/2026 3:35 AM
The donkey was in his pasture. The dogs had attacked him before and attacked 3 separate families. We have all sorts of livestock. Large parcels and Ag transition zoning.

This isn’t a major liability issue as you suggest.
I don’t see the HOA being held liable because the owner of the dogs was a board member. Even if the HOA was held liable, what is the value of a donkey?
TerriS6 (California)
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I am so grateful that you don’t live in my neighborhood.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/14/2026 3:38 AM
Posted By SheliaH on 02/13/2026 12:10 PM
What Dean said. If the board member lets his or her dogs rum amok, do an investigation, send a violation notice and follow your policies with appeal rights, fines and all that. All this time you've been on the board and someone still needs to explain this to you???

The owner shoukd also know board members leave if they step down, get voted out or are recalled. Right now this is more of a dispute between residents, so the owner of the donkeys could sue for damages - maybe the ensuing fallout might prompt a resignation. If you think this deserves a censure from the rest of the board, call an executive session, make your case and the board can vote on it.



How often does a board member have to deal with this situation? Rarely!

I don't care if this is a board member - if rules were broken, he or she is just liable as another homeowner. Do YOU have a problem with holding him/her accountable Or is this a board member you don't like for whatever reason and see an opening to get him/her tossed?

You want a censure from the rest of the board, you can try my suggestion and maybe you'll get what you want. Otherwise, I agree with Dean (except the part about the donkey). This isn't a board issue, so stay out of it. If this member tries to sue the association for this, address it when you get the lawsuit.

And put something on the community website and/or newsletter, reminding everyone to pay attention to their animals and don't let them wander off, make sure they have all their shots, etc.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TerriS6 (California)
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As for holding accountable, the board member's dogs were put down and she and her husband are being criminally prosecuted. It would be superfluous for the board to initiate discipline. Since there was a history of dogs out of control and harassing/menacing several neighbors and prior attack on the donkey, it seems appropriate to request resignation.
DeanJ
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/17/2026 7:45 PM
I am so grateful that you don’t live in my neighborhood.

Regardless of where I live, the liability issue doesn’t change. The negligence of letting the dogs run free was not an official act of the board member and the HOA isn’t liable for failing to enforce the rules.

Standard donkeys are valued at $500-1000 dollars.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DeanJ on 02/18/2026 4:20 PM
HOA isn’t liable for failing to enforce the rules.
I would not bet on this.
DeanJ
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Posted By ElleN on 02/18/2026 4:46 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 02/18/2026 4:20 PM
HOA isn’t liable for failing to enforce the rules.
I would not bet on this.

Thanks for the advice. The next time I get crab grass in my yard I will sue the HOA for not enforcing the invasive weed rule on my neighbor.
TerriS6 (California)
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Our Declaration states that it’s the board’s duty to enforce the association’s restrictions. Members are prohibited from doing or keeping anything that violates law or is a nuisance or that prevents another neighbor from quietly enjoying their property. It’s a breach of fiduciary duty.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/20/2026 8:26 AM
Our Declaration states that it’s the board’s duty to enforce the association’s restrictions. Members are prohibited from doing or keeping anything that violates law or is a nuisance or that prevents another neighbor from quietly enjoying their property. It’s a breach of fiduciary duty.

I think it would depend on:

1) The wording in the documents.
2) Level of enforcement to satisfy fiduciary duty.
3) Available funds to enforce.

As an example:

Our documents only specify that it would be lawful for the association or any owner to enforce.
No requirement to do so.

Additionally, the Association does not have the funds for a court case and, believe it or not, no way to acquire the necessary funds (as it takes 2/3 membership approval to increase the yearly maintenance fee and there is zero authority for the board to impose a special assessment). We could afford to pay an attorney to send a letter but not for any followup action or (to be honest) for the attorney to respond to a response of their letter. Therefore, the most the Association can do is send a letter and, if a board is so inclined, bluff potential legal action.

TerriS6 (California)
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Ours states it’s the board’s duty to enforce.
DeanJ
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/20/2026 8:26 AM
Our Declaration states that it’s the board’s duty to enforce the association’s restrictions. Members are prohibited from doing or keeping anything that violates law or is a nuisance or that prevents another neighbor from quietly enjoying their property. It’s a breach of fiduciary duty.

There has to be financial damage. If the dog owner’s insurance pays for the loss, how is the donkey owner damaged for this breach?

He doesn’t get to collect twice.
TerriS6 (California)
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Just admit you hate animals.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DeanJ on 02/20/2026 4:17 AM
Posted By ElleN on 02/18/2026 4:46 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 02/18/2026 4:20 PM
HOA isn’t liable for failing to enforce the rules.
I would not bet on this.


Thanks for the advice. The next time I get crab grass in my yard I will sue the HOA for not enforcing the invasive weed rule on my neighbor.
You do that.

It does not change the facts that liability is a risk when a board does not enforce the rules, covenants et cetera. The stakes are small here. But they can be quite high in other instances of a failure to enforce the rules.
DeanJ
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This is basically contract law. You go sue people for violating a contract with zero damages and see how much you are awarded.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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It’s not contract law; it’s equitable servitudes.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DeanJ on 02/23/2026 8:47 AM
This is basically contract law. You go sue people for violating a contract with zero damages and see how much you are awarded.
Non sequitur.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Now, the dog-owning board member has demanded that within 90 days the board adopt a Code of Conduct/Ethics. Now I've heard everything.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Actually, their draft code states that it will apply to all members, board members, and guests. 🫣
TerriS6 (California)
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Example: information discussed during all board meetings shall remain confidential unless required by law.
And...all members must sign a receipt saying they understand the code of ethics.
And...disciplinary actions may include warnings, fines, or removal from the board depending on severity of the violation.
And...foster a sense of engagement and community belonging.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Well, youve seen other conversations on this website about the pros and cons of codes of conduct, so if you think it's impractical and hard to enforce, open your mouth and say so at the next meeting.

You dont have to get personal- just ask him for specifics. For example, how will this "foster a sense of engagement and community belonging? What are the current problems he's seen, and why would this work as opposed to something else?"

I know you know all this and come here to vent. That's fine, but you also know in the wonderful world of HOA board life, you have to pick your battles, so choose wisely. The board can say yea or nay to this suggestion, or not do anything. If neither of you get your way, you can scream like a banshee if you want, but this stuff is decided by majority (even if all the fools are on the same side!)


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/27/2026 7:28 AM
Example: information discussed during all board meetings shall remain confidential unless required by law.
And...all members must sign a receipt saying they understand the code of ethics.
And...disciplinary actions may include warnings, fines, or removal from the board depending on severity of the violation.
I expect your covenants and bylaws are silent as to a code of ethics. This means a court would not enforce a fine or removal from the board based on a violation of any code of ethics.

I am betting you know this. Just saying.
TerriS6 (California)
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Thank you.
TerriS6 (California)
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new law last year civil code 5850 d) (1) Notwithstanding subdivision (c), the board may impose a penalty stated in the schedule of monetary penalties or supplement that is in effect at the time of the violation that is greater than one hundred dollars ($100) per violation, if the violation may result in an adverse health or safety impact on the common area or another association member’s property.
TerriS6 (California)
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Problem solved. Director is moving.

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