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LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
hello.
i know it's long. please read the following.
Summary of Improper Board Action and Invalid Recall Attempt

I am a director in a Texas condominium association. The current board majority has taken a series of actions intended to remove a duly elected board member who they viewed as “not a team player.” In doing so, the board acted outside its authority, ignored governing documents, disregarded legal counsel, and violated fundamental protections afforded to elected directors and owners.

1. Authority to Remove a Director Belongs Solely to the Owners

Under Texas condominium law and our association’s bylaws, the right to remove an elected director belongs exclusively to the owners—not the board.
Our bylaws state:
“At any regular or special meeting duly called, any one or more of the Managers may be removed… by a majority of the owners.”
The board has no independent authority to remove, initiate removal of, or orchestrate a recall of a fellow director unless the governing documents expressly grant that power. They do not.

2. The Board Improperly Attempted to Initiate a Recall

During a board meeting held in executive session, one board member stated—based solely on hearsay—that some owners were unhappy with another director. No written complaints, evidence, or owner petition was presented.

A motion was then made to “proceed with whatever is necessary” to remove that director. Two directors objected and correctly stated that the board had no authority to do so. Those objections were overruled by the remaining board members.

After the meeting, the board president contacted the association attorney with a proposed recall petition. Importantly:
The two dissenting directors were excluded from all follow-up discussions.
The association attorney expressly advised that the board should not be initiating a recall.
The attorney further stated that the proposed recall document was defective and declined to proceed.
Despite this legal advice, the board majority moved forward anyway.
3. The Special Meeting of Owners Was Never Properly Authorized
Our bylaws strictly define how a special meeting of owners may be called:
“It shall be the duty of the President to call a special meeting of the owners as directed by resolution of the Board of Managers or upon a petition signed by a majority in voting interest of the owners…”
In this case:
No board resolution authorizing a special meeting was ever adopted.
No owner petition existed prior to the notice being issued.
Without either prerequisite, the President had no authority to call a special meeting. As a result, the meeting was never “duly called” as required by the bylaws.
4. The Notice and Proxies Were Defective and Misleading
Although the meeting notice stated that the purpose was to consider removal of a board member, the proxies distributed with the notice did not disclose the purpose of the meeting.
Further compounding this problem:
The on-site property manager went door-to-door soliciting proxies.
Many Owners were not informed that the proxy would be used to attempt removal of a director. They were just told it was so the association could hold a special meeting.

5. Improper and Biased Involvement of the Property Manager

The property manager had a known, biased interest in seeing the targeted director removed. Despite this conflict:
The manager personally managed to collect over 100 proxies.

Board members themselves collected only approximately 28 proxies.
The manager’s actions were instrumental in manufacturing a quorum.
This conduct constitutes improper management interference in association governance and taints the entire process.

6. The “Quorum” Was Artificial and Invalid

On the date of the special meeting:
Only two owners appeared in person.
The remainder of the quorum was based almost entirely on proxies obtained through misleading and improper solicitation.
Because the proxies were defective, quorum was not validly established. Without a valid quorum, no business could lawfully be conducted.

7. Exclusion of Sitting Directors Demonstrates Bad Faith

After the initial vote to “proceed,” the board majority deliberately excluded two duly elected directors from:
Communications
Planning
Discussions related to the recall and special meeting

This exclusion violated basic principles of board governance and fiduciary duty, and further demonstrates that the process was not undertaken in good faith.

At the actual meeting of the owners. The special meeting wasnever called to order. I was told that a quorum of had been met. I reluctantly informed a third part that I intended to resign. Within an hour i sent written notice to the board that i was withdrawing my intent to resign. ( based on a previous legal opinion, a board member can withdraw their resignation at any point up until its formally accepted at a duly called meeting and recorded in the minutes.) The board is refusing to acknowledge my notice and has removed me from all communication.

It appears i will have to contact an attorney and sue. Does anyone have any suggestions or advice.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
I could itemize your post point by point, but really don’t want to take the time to do that. Most of what you believe is required by your bylaws isn’t.

Most HOA directors may be removed for cause. Failure to work constructively with the remainder of the board is a cause. A period by owners to remove a board member is not required. Most HOA presidents have the authority to call a meeting of the members, board approval is not required. A proxy is an authorization for a person to vote in the owner’s absence. The reason for the meeting is not required to be on the proxy.

I could go on….
LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
ok, dean, thanks for your points.

Our bylaws do stipulate that specail meetings of owners may be called be either
a signed petition with 51% owners or
a resolution of the board submittd to the president. I took that directly from the bylaws.

anyway,thanks for your replies.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
If the "recall" was successful, it sounds like an issue for the courts.

If the "recall" was unsuccessful, then it really doesn't matter except for lessons learned so it's the issues are not repeated in the future.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LaskaS on 12/25/2025 4:21 PM
I reluctantly informed a third part that I intended to resign. Within an hour i sent written notice to the board that i was withdrawing my intent to resign.
Statute BO 22 says:

Except as provided by the certificate of formation or bylaws, a director of a corporation may resign at any time by providing written notice to the corporation.

Questions:

Did you provide written notice to the corporation? If so, exactly how did you do so?

What is the title of this 'third party'?

What exactly do your bylaws say about resignations?

If your bylaws are silent, then the statute section I quoted above controls. If the corporation had written notice, then I disagree that the board has to accept the resignation for the resignation to be valid. Ceteris paribus, I believe the latter is well-established nationwide.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
Posted:
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Posted By DeanJ on 12/25/2025 8:44 PM

Most HOA directors may be removed for cause. Failure to work constructively with the remainder of the board is a cause. A period by owners to remove a board member is not required.
Disagree.

Bylaws of HOAs/COAs nearly always require an affirmative vote of the owners plus much more to remove a director.

Why is this? Because voting directors into office is the principal power by far that owners have to control an association's operations. This power is not taken lightly in the law. It is recognized as thee most important power owners have to prevent a rogue board.
DeanJ
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Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 12/26/2025 9:02 AM
Posted By DeanJ on 12/25/2025 8:44 PM

Most HOA directors may be removed for cause. Failure to work constructively with the remainder of the board is a cause. A period by owners to remove a board member is not required.
Disagree.

Bylaws of HOAs/COAs nearly always require an affirmative vote of the owners plus much more to remove a director.

Why is this? Because voting directors into office is the principal power by far that owners have to control an association's operations. This power is not taken lightly in the law. It is recognized as thee most important power owners have to prevent a rogue board.

I agree there is an action required, normally a vote of the owners, but having a petition, charges brought, a hearing, an appeal ect. is not a requirement.
DeanJ
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Posted:
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Posted By LaskaS on 12/25/2025 9:51 PM
ok, dean, thanks for your points.

Our bylaws do stipulate that specail meetings of owners may be called be either
a signed petition with 51% owners or
a resolution of the board submittd to the president. I took that directly from the bylaws.

anyway,thanks for your replies.

A motion made to “proceed with whatever is necessary” to remove that director seems adequate to me unless the president wasn’t present at the meeting and the board failed failed to submit the resolution after the meeting.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DeanJ on 12/25/2025 8:44 PM

Most HOA directors may be removed for cause.
Bylaws nearly always say owners may remove directors with or without cause. Why? Because whether "cause" for removal is present is subjective. The point of bylaws and statautes that allow director removal is to let the owners decide who will be on the board, period. No cause needed.
LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
the board members did not pass or file a reolution to call a special meeting.

The day of the special meeting, no vote ever occurred. Because , once i was told that a quorum had been met, I expressed my intent to resign to the third party who was checking off the proxies turned in.

I never submitted my resignation in writing . I told a third party that I was going to resign. The next day, i withdrew my verbal intent to resign in writing via email to all of the other board members.

I am surprised that none of you called out the " whatever it takes " vote by the board. This is clearly acting in bad faith. There was no cause, no wrongdoing on my part. Our association attorney advised the board president that they should not be initiating a recall of a board member. That right lies with owners.

ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By LaskaS on 12/27/2025 3:12 AM

I am surprised that none of you called out the " whatever it takes " vote by the board.
This is because my focus is on the most relevant law and bylaws and what they say on this matter.

I have a copy of your condo's bylaws (from prior communications).

You were not lawfully removed. As a matter of law and the governing documents, you are still on the board. Granted the rest of the board claims otherwise.

You should write the board a letter like the following:

Dear Board of Directors,

Texas statute BO 22.211 states that removal cannot occur without a vote of the owners. No vote took place to remove me as a director. Bylaw Article IV, Section 7 also states that removal can only occur via a vote of the owners.

Texas statutes and the bylaws have other requirements for removal of a director. These requirements have not been met.

Texas statute section 22.2111 states that resignation can only occur by providing "written notice to the corporation. I have not provided such notice.

Please consult the HOA attorney to confirm the above. Please provide proper notice to me for all board meetings. Please include me in all votes to which I am lawfully entitled as a duly elected director.

Thank you,

name
address
email
phone

JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
Posted:
Wow Ellen...you certainly simplified his response and expectations. With so much misinformation being funneled to many communities, this is a wakeup call and wondeful guidance.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
Posted:
Thank you, JackieB4.

I know LaskaS is quite sharp and normally, completely homed in on what statutes and a COA's governing documents say. I think maybe she got a bit derailed by the pressure of the situation? It happens to the best of us.

It's fine if these directors do not like each other. They still have to follow the law.

I hope you are having a nice holiday and that board work where you are is not too awful and maybe has some pleasantries now and then. You take care.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Please forgive me for being “that guy”. I’m not asking because I want to throw a wrench in the works, but because I want to get my head straight.

If a new Board member is elected / appointed by the Board - to fill a vacancy, say - I thought that a) their term lasts until the next Annual Meeting election, and b) they can be voted off the Board by a vote of the Board members?

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 12/26/2025 4:22 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 12/25/2025 8:44 PM

Most HOA directors may be removed for cause.
Bylaws nearly always say owners may remove directors with or without cause. Why? Because whether "cause" for removal is present is subjective. The point of bylaws and statautes that allow director removal is to let the owners decide who will be on the board, period. No cause needed.

Maybe in Idaho they do, in Ohio most state for cause. But it really doesn’t matter, cause can be anything one can articulate.
DeanJ
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Posted:
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Posted By BillD16 on 12/27/2025 1:40 PM
Please forgive me for being “that guy”. I’m not asking because I want to throw a wrench in the works, but because I want to get my head straight.

If a new Board member is elected / appointed by the Board - to fill a vacancy, say - I thought that a) their term lasts until the next Annual Meeting election, and b) they can be voted off the Board by a vote of the Board members?

Bill

When a vacancy exists and is filled by an appointment by the board, the removal process is same as an elected board member. Most HOA attorneys will advise an appointed board member remains in office until the next election, but that isn’t always clear in bylaws and some boards may interpret language to mean until the end of term of the vacant seat. Especially if the ahOA struggles to get people to run for office.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BillD16 on 12/27/2025 1:40 PM
Please forgive me for being “that guy”. I’m not asking because I want to throw a wrench in the works, but because I want to get my head straight.

If a new Board member is elected / appointed by the Board - to fill a vacancy, say - I thought that a) their term lasts until the next Annual Meeting election, and b) they can be voted off the Board by a vote of the Board members?

Bill
If a Board appoints a director to fill a mid-term vacancy, then often (I would not say "always") state law and/or the bylaws say the board has the power to remove the director. As to how long the appointed director's term lasts, I will leave most of the answer to the to the real-life threads that come up here asking about terms. For now, I am aware that sometimes statutes and/or bylaws treat this. Sometimes they do not.

LaskaS was duly elected by the owners. She did not say so. I just know it because of history.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Quote:
Posted By DeanJ on 12/27/2025 2:04 PM
in Ohio most state for cause. But it really doesn’t matter, cause can be anything one can articulate.
First, I would bet otherwise regarding "most" bylaws requiring "cause" to remove a director. When I googled, the very first three hits (all in Ohio) that I checked all had the phrase "with or without cause" in their bylaws under the removal section. See

https://krgre.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Metro-Bylaws-1.pdf

https://www.oberermanagementservices.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/CONDOMINIUM-ASSOCIATION-BY-LAWS.pdf

https://www.gracepropertyservicesllc.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1971.07.13-Declaration-and-Bylaws.pdf

Second,

The phrase "for cause" is a huge legal deal. In fact when someone removed "for cause" disputes the removal, he or she has a much better chance of prevailing vis-a-vis being removed via the phrase "with or without cause." The "without cause" is included to minimize legal disputes.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By ElleN on 12/27/2025 5:05 PM

The phrase "for cause" is a huge legal deal. In fact when someone removed "for cause" disputes the removal, he or she has a much better chance of prevailing
... in a lawsuit challenging the removal.
LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
Ellen,

Thank you for your wisdom.

I was elected by the owners for a 2 year term in 2023 and again in 2025.

Things were going very well for since then.. This last 4 months, a faction of the board has gone rogue.

I know our bylaws and the condo low that govern's our community very very well.

I will be filing suit this coming week. I already sent the attached letter. They ignored it.

I am not seeking an emergency TRO, there really is no point. I will be filing for injunctive relief and a temporary injunction .
LaskaS (Texas)
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Posted:
i think i'm attaching the file.
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LaskaS (Texas)
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Posted:
actually, our bylaws state that a board member elected/appointed by the board to fill a vacancy serves until the next annual election. The seat would then need to be filled during the annual elections.

In texas Condomiums, The board of a condominium can not remove a fellow board member. That right lies exclusively with the members of the association. (owners)
LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
actually, our bylaws state that a board member elected/appointed by the board to fill a vacancy serves until the next annual election. The seat would then need to be filled during the annual elections.

In texas Condomiums, The board of a condominium can not remove a fellow board member. That right lies exclusively with the members of the association. (owners)
DeanJ
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Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 12/27/2025 4:55 PM
Posted By BillD16 on 12/27/2025 1:40 PM
Please forgive me for being “that guy”. I’m not asking because I want to throw a wrench in the works, but because I want to get my head straight.

If a new Board member is elected / appointed by the Board - to fill a vacancy, say - I thought that a) their term lasts until the next Annual Meeting election, and b) they can be voted off the Board by a vote of the Board members?

Bill
If a Board appoints a director to fill a mid-term vacancy, then often (I would not say "always") state law and/or the bylaws say the board has the power to remove the director. As to how long the appointed director's term lasts, I will leave most of the answer to the to the real-life threads that come up here asking about terms. For now, I am aware that sometimes statutes and/or bylaws treat this. Sometimes they do not.

LaskaS was duly elected by the owners. She did not say so. I just know it because of history.

I have lived in 3 HOAs during my life and not a single one allowed a board to subsequently remove a a person appointed to the board. - granted they were all in Ohio. Vacancy appointments are typically interim appointments with less than 12 month terms. Honestly, if the board can’t property vet their own appointments, I doubt the appointment is the issue.

A search of IA suggested there are very few states, Minnesota, Colorado, Mississippi, and Utah, that allow an appointed board member to be removed under corporate law and only then when the HOA bylaws permit.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Quote:
Posted By DeanJ on 12/28/2025 11:03 AM

A search of IA suggested there are very few states, Minnesota, Colorado, Mississippi, and Utah, that allow an appointed board member to be removed under corporate law and only then when the HOA bylaws permit.
Uh huh. Florida and Illinois are in the top five when it comes to the number of HOAs each state has.

Florida statutes allow directors appointed by a board to be removed by the board, regardless of the bylaws.

Same for Illinois statutes.

DeanJ
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Posted:
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Posted By ElleN on 12/28/2025 12:18 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 12/28/2025 11:03 AM

A search of IA suggested there are very few states, Minnesota, Colorado, Mississippi, and Utah, that allow an appointed board member to be removed under corporate law and only then when the HOA bylaws permit.
Uh huh. Florida and Illinois are in the top five when it comes to the number of HOAs each state has.

Florida statutes allow directors appointed by a board to be removed by the board, regardless of the bylaws.

Same for Illinois statutes.


A simple AI search for Illinois disagrees with you if the HOA bylaws do not provide for this removal.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DeanJ on 12/28/2025 2:41 PM

A simple AI search for Illinois disagrees with you if the HOA bylaws do not provide for this removal.
"Simple" would be accurate.

Read the Illinois statute.
DeanJ
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Posted:
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Posted By ElleN on 12/28/2025 3:10 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 12/28/2025 2:41 PM

A simple AI search for Illinois disagrees with you if the HOA bylaws do not provide for this removal.
"Simple" would be accurate.

Read the Illinois statute.

It’s not a stature only situation. But AI for Florida says “Yes, in Florida, an HOA board member appointed to fill a vacancy can often be removed by the members through a recall, but the board itself usually can't remove them, though they might remove them as an officer (President, etc.) if they're also an officer; however, the specific ability of the board to remove an appointee depends heavily on the association's governing documents and state statutes, with some statutes allowing the remaining board to fill a vacancy but also implying member recall power is the primary check.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted:
I care what the statute says.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted:
LaskaS, your letter says you are ready to sue over this attempt to remove you and over other, unspecified things. It asserts a number of legal points as fact which are not at all fact. I am sorry to inform you that this wastes a lot of time.

Your letter gives the board the legal right to exclude you from parts of, or all of, executive sessions.

If I were on this board, the first thing I would do is motion to inform the insurance company that someone intends to sue. Then I would motion to consult the HOA attorney, with a long list of questions. You would not be invited to any consultations with the attorney. Nor would you be allowed to read the attorney's opinion. Any director leaking the attorney's opinion to you is asking for legal trouble for himself or herself.
DeanJ
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Posted By ElleN on 12/29/2025 7:45 AM
I care what the statute says.

Statutes in most states for corporate law do not cancel out the provisions of the HOAs bylaws.
BillD16 (Texas)
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Posted By LaskaS on 12/27/2025 9:38 PM
i think i'm attaching the file.

Wow, does this ever bring back memories.

A couple of years ago, after two years of fairly good service on my HOA Board, the Board and the PM conspired to "neutralize" me. I won't go into the tedious details. I thought about suing, but decided against it, primarily for mental health reasons (ie, the situation was bad enough already; did I want this to swell and consume my life? Or did I want to get past it?).

I wish I had something positive to offer you. My unfortunate experience was that, even though I kept my seat on the Board, I was unable to do anything worthwhile after the attempted 'coup', and the conspirators kept up their smear campaign against me. I lost a lot of friends and my faith in human nature took a serious hit.

I'm not trying to tell you to not sue. But I see similarities between your situation and mine (although I don't know all of your details{1}) and feel some obligation as a fellow human being to bring up the "mental health" aspect of this. I've put some - too much! - thought into wondering how differently things would have gone if I'd lawyered up. I'm sure it would have gone differently - but honestly I'm not sure it would have been better.

Pragmatically: after leaving the Board, I suffered at least one act of 'retaliation' (impossible though it was to prove it) and I've pretty much withdrawn completely from "HOA life". I confess it is sometimes frustrating to watch the Board do stupid and ignorant and dishonest stuff{2} - but none of my neighbors care, and I console myself with H. L. Mencken's observation that "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

Again, I wish I had something more uplifting to contribute. I wish you good luck with this. And I'll be watching with interest if you choose to update us here.

Bill

{1} Not sure I should even mention this, but over time I learned that our PM was way more involved than I'd thought (ex: called secret Board meetings without me because I had a "conflict of interest"). I sometimes wonder if I should have attempted to 'leverage' their mgmt chain. But I'm not at all sure it would have made any difference, and I'm not sure how comfortable I would have been with getting them fired.

{2} They are all hugely critical of the current US administration. But it's okay if they disregard the law.

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DeanJ on 12/29/2025 4:46 PM

Statutes in most states for corporate law do not cancel out the provisions of the HOAs bylaws.
It depends.
LaskaS (Texas)
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Posted:
Bill, thanks for sharing this.

I will definitely update this post.

................frustrating to watch the Board do stupid and ignorant and dishonest stuff{2} - but none of my neighbors care, ................ this!..

LaskaS (Texas)
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Posted:
Ellen,

the reason I included that in the letter was to ensure that the court could see that I notified the board and attempted to resolve the issue before filing suit.

what legal points did i make that are not at all fact?
LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
Ellen,

To be clear, I am sueing because of the procedureally defective specail meeting of owners. The other points i made in the email are all facts that I will include in the backround in my case filing. I'm am certain that the special meeting of owners was called without legal authority..(didn't follow the bylaws).

I have been told that once that is established, the board can't argue that they accepted my resignation at this special meeting of owners. Because the meeting itself was defective.

The group of board members are stating that they were told I was going to resign, and because of that, they didn't call the special meeting to order, and didn't go through with a vote.

My attorney has said it doens't matter what they did or didn't do at that meeting. It was a defectively meeting and any action taken at the meeting has no legal standing.
DeanJ
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Posted:
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Posted By ElleN on 12/29/2025 8:54 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 12/29/2025 4:46 PM

Statutes in most states for corporate law do not cancel out the provisions of the HOAs bylaws.
It depends.

When HOA's governing documents (like the Declaration) are more restrictive, the HOA documents prevail, because the law sets the floor (minimum standard), not the ceiling, allowing for greater community-set restrictions. Just because the law allows doesn’t provide an HOA board the authority to do it.

Another question, what fool would serve on an HOA board when disagreement on any issue could result in your removal? That is not a board member, that’s a puppet occupying a chair,
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DeanJ on 12/30/2025 7:26 AM
When HOA's governing documents (like the Declaration) are more restrictive, the HOA documents prevail, because the law sets the floor (minimum standard), not the ceiling, allowing for greater community-set restrictions.
Whether the HOA documents prevail depends on the specific conflict between the HOA documents and what state law says. The HOA documents do not always prevail.

I do not understand from where your last question is coming. All I know is that it does not speak to LaskaS's instant needs. LaskaS is in a difficult, bad situation (and has been for several years now). BillD16 gets it. I am trying to post a little more consistent with what Bill said.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By LaskaS on 12/30/2025 3:29 AM

To be clear, I am sueing because of the procedureally defective specail meeting of owners. The other points i made in the email are all facts that I will include in the backround in my case filing. I'm am certain that the special meeting of owners was called without legal authority..(didn't follow the bylaws).

I have been told that once that is established, the board can't argue that they accepted my resignation at this special meeting of owners. Because the meeting itself was defective.


The group of board members are stating that they were told I was going to resign, and because of that, they didn't call the special meeting to order, and didn't go through with a vote.

My attorney has said it doens't matter what they did or didn't do at that meeting. It was a defectively meeting and any action taken at the meeting has no legal standing.
We are not in disagreement on the basic facts here, which to me are (1) no, you were not removed at any special meeting; (2) you did not resign; and (3) as a matter of law, you are still on the board.

It's how you have proceeded that troubles me.

But I sit here in the cheap seats. I know what you are facing is hard.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Second attempt:
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Posted By LaskaS on 12/30/2025 3:29 AM

To be clear, I am sueing because of the procedureally defective specail meeting of owners. The other points i made in the email are all facts that I will include in the backround in my case filing. I'm am certain that the special meeting of owners was called without legal authority..(didn't follow the bylaws).

I have been told that once that is established, the board can't argue that they accepted my resignation at this special meeting of owners. Because the meeting itself was defective.

The group of board members are stating that they were told I was going to resign, and because of that, they didn't call the special meeting to order, and didn't go through with a vote.

My attorney has said it doens't matter what they did or didn't do at that meeting. It was a defectively meeting and any action taken at the meeting has no legal standing.

We are not in disagreement on the basic facts here, which to me are (1) no, you were not removed at any special meeting; (2) you did not resign; and (3) as a matter of law, you are still on the board.

It's how you have proceeded that troubles me.

But I sit here in the cheap seats. I know what you are facing is hard.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By LaskaS on 12/30/2025 3:22 AM
Ellen,

the reason I included that in the letter was to ensure that the court could see that I notified the board and attempted to resolve the issue before filing suit.

what legal points did i make that are not at all fact?

-- You could have written much much less, and much more factually, and satisfied a court that you tried to resolve this dispute without suing.

--In your letter, you wrote: "Without any lawfully required Board resolution—prepared by Association legal counsel and
entered into the Association’s official records... " The HOA attorney does not have to write the resolution.

-- You imply the Board has to take the advice of counsel. Not so. Nor is it a breach of fiduciary duty not to take the advice of counsel. No violation of any law occurs when a board does not take the advice of counsel.

-- You speak of a "finalized legal opinion" from the HOA attorney. No such finality exists to legal opinions from a client's attorney. That you say this is "binding legal guidance" and "binding legal advice" is outrageous. The advice and guidance is neither.

-- Your letter insinuates that your resignation would have been valid had you not withdrawn it. Not so. There was no resignation in the first place, because you did not submit anything (1) in writing to (2) the corporation.

-- You chastise the board for seeking a second legal opinion. People seek second legal opinions all the time. There is nothing unlawful about it. There is no violation of fiduciary duty for doing so. Boards may even have a duty to seek a second opinion.

-- The attacks on the property manager have no substance, meaning there is nothing that persuades me that the PM did anything illegal or improper.

-- You recklessly accused the property manager of "fraudulent inducement" and "fraud." You have now held the HOA out to severe liability. Why? Because the PM could sue you and the HOA for slander. It does not matter whether the PM could win such a lawsuit. The insurance company is now stuck with dealing with any claim from the PM and trying to settle it before it gets to a court.

LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
ellen,

great points. all of them. see my responses below..

-- You could have written much much less, and much more factually, and satisfied a court that you tried to resolve this dispute without suing.- AGREE

--In your letter, you wrote: "Without any lawfully required Board resolution—prepared by Association legal counsel and
entered into the Association’s official records... " The HOA attorney does not have to write the resolution. AGREE.

For the record, no board resolution was adopted. The action at issue was taken by vote during executive session of a regularly scheduled board meeting. The matter was not included on the meeting agenda and was raised for the first time during executive session, without prior notice or opportunity for informed deliberation. No written resolution, motion, or findings were approved or entered into the Association’s official records. The defect is not who drafted a resolution, but that no properly noticed or procedurally valid board action occurred.

While ignoring the association's attorney legal opinion is not a per se legal violation, the fact that they just recently DID rely on the same legal opinion when a different board member was involved. This is arbitrary, outcome-driven governance.

-- Your letter insinuates that your resignation would have been valid had you not withdrawn it. Not so. There was no resignation in the first place, because you did not submit anything (1) in writing to (2) the corporation.

Actively soliciting proxies is advocacacy. A property manager has an operational role not a political role. I agree, i can leave this portion out.

I am seeking the temporary injuntion and requesting the court..

1.Declares Plaintiff remains a duly elected and sitting director;

2.Declares the special meeting of owners invalid and without effect;

3.Enjoins Defendants from excluding Plaintiff from Board service;

4.Prohibits Board-initiated recall efforts absent a valid owner petition;

5.Prohibits votes, officer elections, or Board meetings conducted solely in executive session;

6.Enforces the Board’s adopted five-day notice and agenda requirements;

7.Restricts management from soliciting proxies or influencing recall efforts

I am trying to figure out how to preemptively address the boards contention that i submitted my resignation and they accepted it. That's what they are claiming.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Just a comment: LaskaS, the letter you wrote seemed fairly serious to me. Is the Board aware of what you want? At the risk of sounding all Pollyanna about it, I wonder: if they were offered some way to simply give you what you want and then drop the matter into the ocean - versus going to Legal DEFCON-1 - maybe they’ll sleep on it and come to their senses? It doesn’t seem like you’re asking for much beyond “straighten up and fly right”.

*shrug* I’m not part of this, and I know nothing but the broad outlines of the situation. But if I were on that Board, I like to think that I’d say “this is madness and a waste of time and money.”

Then again, I understand how this stuff can get personal and weird. And I believe the Board is in the - ethically dubious, IMHO - position where it can spend condo funds on this matter{1}. Which (in theory) should anger the condo owners. Although I’m well aware of how apathetic owners can be to this stuff.

Again, I wish you the best on this. ElleN mentioned how this situation is “hard”, and wow she’s got that soooo right.

Bill

{1} ref Friedman’s “four types of spending”

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
Posted:
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Posted By LaskaS on 12/30/2025 12:57 PM

While ignoring the association's attorney legal opinion is not a per se legal violation, the fact that they just recently DID rely on the same legal opinion when a different board member was involved. This is arbitrary, outcome-driven governance.
Yeah but none of this judging you are doing helps you meaningfully with a legal argument.

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Posted By LaskaS on 12/30/2025 12:57 PM
I am trying to figure out how to preemptively address the boards contention that i submitted my resignation and they accepted it. That's what they are claiming.
What parts of BO 22.2111, and BO 22.2111's application here, do you not understand?

You say to them that, of BO 22, the Bylaws and Chapter 81, a director can resign only one way. You did not resign using this one way. Therefore, you did not resign.

I grant that this is likely over these directors' heads. Hence the suggestion to tell them to go to the HOA attorney. If this fails, start the war in the courts.

Of course, the bigger problem is the letter you sent. You cannot undo it.
LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
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I agree with you about texas boa.

For some reason. our association attorney,(who i have a good working relationship with) told me that there are other forms of resignation that a court could find as valid.

The board is claiming that i resigned , and they accepted.

I may be misunderstanding, are you saying the only method a resignation will stand up to litigation is if it follows texas boa??

I am certain that the legal criteria for board acceptance wasn't met. Our attorney agrees but acknowledges the board members who are running things right now are not going to listen.

my question is,

And i'm just asking for your opinion. Do you think I should simplify the suite for inunctive releif to just the improper , defective specail meeting, no vote occurred. the board must recognize me and include me in all board activity going forward.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By LaskaS on 12/30/2025 5:34 PM
I agree with you about texas boa.

For some reason. our association attorney,(who i have a good working relationship with) told me that there are other forms of resignation that a court could find as valid.
I think the HOA attorney's point is that a person never knows for sure how a court will rule. There is no such thing as a "slam dunk" court case.

Remember that the job of an attorney is to //advocate// for his or her client. This is so even if he thinks the client's case is weak.

Remember that sadly, a perfectly valid legal defense is to just wear down the plaintiff with silly counter-arguments to the plaintiff's claim. As silly as the counter-arguments may seem, if they hold enough water that a judge will not just rule for the plaintiff, then the silly counter-arguments are having the desired effect.

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Posted By LaskaS on 12/30/2025 5:34 PM
And i'm just asking for your opinion. Do you think I should simplify the suite for inunctive releif to just the improper , defective specail meeting, no vote occurred. the board must recognize me and include me in all board activity going forward.
No vote occurred et cetera, so the special meeting did not remove you. But also, no resignation occurred.

In addition to all the other arguments about this not being a resignation, note that stating //an intent// to resign is not the same as actually resigning. For example, suppose you wrote the board the following letter:

Dear Board,

I am thinking about resigning in a few minutes.

Sincerely,

LaskaS


Is this a resignation?

No.

About the relief you seek:

The relief you seek is to be recognized as a director with all the duties and privileges of same going forward.

The HOA attorney, as he defends the board, will invent whatever cockamamie theory he wants to say you did resign. He will have some lame case law to support this theory. The attorney could drown you with legal speak well beyond your capabilities to address. If you have been pro se, then few, if any, lawyers will want to help after you made a mess of things.

Demand letters like the one you wrote are one thing. Actually going to court on one's own, against a real attorney, is another.
LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
here is a few more tidbits of information that may change your answer.

the association attorney will not represent the board for this case. he already told the board this .

I was the board appointed contact with the association attorney. he and i have worked together on numerous occasions over the past 3 years. I, in my capacity as a board member and the designated board representative for litigation matters.

The board will have to file with our insurance carrier.
DeanJ
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Posted By ElleN on 12/30/2025 8:11 AM
Posted By DeanJ on 12/30/2025 7:26 AM
When HOA's governing documents (like the Declaration) are more restrictive, the HOA documents prevail, because the law sets the floor (minimum standard), not the ceiling, allowing for greater community-set restrictions.
Whether the HOA documents prevail depends on the specific conflict between the HOA documents and what state law says. The HOA documents do not always prevail.

I do not understand from where your last question is coming. All I know is that it does not speak to LaskaS's instant needs. LaskaS is in a difficult, bad situation (and has been forseveral years now). BillD16 gets it. I am trying to post a little more consistent with what Bill said.

No Ellen, they don’t always prevail, but absent specific law to the contrary p, they. Do. And sections law you keep referring to do not stipulate the the HOA declaration and bylaws are not commanding.
DeanJ
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If I write an email to my Aunt Martha stating I am resigning as an HOA board member and Martha sends that to the management, that is not a resignation.
LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
dean, i think you are arguing a different point .
Ellen, was not claiming HOA documents override mandatory state statutes. She was pointing out that where state law is permissive and sets a minimum standard, more restrictive HOA provisions control.”

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