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TerriS6 (California)
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Has anyone used the new law that applies workplace harassment restraining order to protect directors from member?
SheliaH (Indiana)
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A workplace harassment law wouldnt apply to an HOA - board members are volunteers, not paid employees.

You should already know this, but if this homeowner is doing something (or some things) like coming to your home abd refusing to leave when asked, calling all hours of the day and night, making threats against you (the "I'll burn your dawned house down with you in it!" type, not "I'm gonna run against you or start a recall petition"), etc., it may be time fir a restraining order and a strongly worded letter from the association attorney noting the behavior can and will lead to legal action. Depending on what's going on (and if you can prove it), you may need to take private legal action. You can ask for reimbursement of legal expenses if you win and you know that too.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By SheliaH on 12/18/2025 5:59 AM
A workplace harassment law wouldnt apply to an HOA - board members are volunteers, not paid employees.

You should already know this, but if this homeowner is doing something (or some things) like coming to your home abd refusing to leave when asked, calling all hours of the day and night, making threats against you (the "I'll burn your dawned house down with you in it!" type, not "I'm gonna run against you or start a recall petition"), etc., it may be time fir a restraining order and a strongly worded letter from the association attorney noting the behavior can and will lead to legal action. Depending on what's going on (and if you can prove it), you may need to take private legal action. You can ask for reimbursement of legal expenses if you win and you know that too.


As of January 1, 2025, per SB 428, it does apply to HOA directors. We have a serious problem with one of our directors and I was hoping someone knew of any California situations.
TerriS6 (California)
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I think we need an employment attorney not HOA attorney for this.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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I did a little Googling and frankly, I didn't see a lot of difference between what this does and what I said. For others residing in Cali, here's what Google AI has to say on the subject:

How SB 428 Applies to HOA Directors

Expanded Protection: Previously, HOAs could only get restraining orders for threats or violence; now, "harassment" is a basis, covering persistent, annoying, or alarming conduct without legitimate purpose.

"HOA Workplace": This law recognizes the HOA board and management functions as a workplace, meaning directors serving in their roles are considered employees for these protections.

Employer's Role: The HOA association, as the "employer," can petition the court for a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) on behalf of its directors, managers, or volunteers.

Definition of Harassment: It's a "knowing and willful course of conduct" directed at a person that seriously alarms, annoys, or harasses them and serves no legitimate purpose.

Constitutional Limits: Courts are restricted from issuing orders that infringe on constitutionally protected speech, ensuring free expression isn't unduly curtailed

In Simple Terms: If a homeowner or resident repeatedly harasses an HOA director (verbally, through unwanted contact, etc.), making them feel unsafe or unable to perform their duties, the HOA can use SB 428 to get a restraining order to stop that behavior, treating it like workplace abuse.

This is new legislation, so it may take some time before there's case law to ponder to see if it's effective, how and why some lawsuits succeeded and the others didn't. There might be something around this time next year, so be patient. In the meantime, you can learn from other workplace lawsuits, so depending on what's going on, the attorney can help you with that (yes, you'll have to pay for it or go to the library and start digging).

You didn't say, but is this yet another chapter in the misadventures of your HOA president? From from your previous conversations on this website, we already know you two hate each other. Assuming everything you've said before is true, I don't know how or why he continues to do what he does and the other board members (and your neighbors by extension) let him get away with it. What kind of hold does he have over y'all where he continues to get elected and the rest of the board just looks at him when he says or does something crazy?

If the behavior is getting intolerable, whether it's the HOA president or someone else, this legislation is another tool you can use to bring him/her (or them) to heal. You still need to gather the evidence to make your case. But understand this: this will take some time and it WILL be messy. Just like traditional workplace lawsuits. It's a matter of knowing and accepting what you're about to unleash and be willing to see it through. Good luck to you

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TerriS6 (California)
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It has nothing to do with the president.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Ok, then apply all this to whatever director is reportedly doing the harassment.....

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TerriS6 (California)
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The director (not I) is victim of the harassment. Was hoping for some California experiences.
DeanJ
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Posted By TerriS6 on 12/17/2025 4:22 PM
Has anyone used the new law that applies workplace harassment restraining order to protect directors from member?

Are you creating intimidating, hostile, or offensive housing environments through actions like sexual advances, threats, verbal abuse, or interfering with services?

According to AI, a non-board owner can violate California's Fair Employment and Housing Act (FEHA) or the Federal Fair Housing Act (FHA) by harassing a board member, especially if the harassment is based on a protected characteristic (race, religion, sex, disability, etc.), as housing providers (including HOAs) must prevent discriminatory harassment, and even owners must respect these anti-discrimination laws, triggering HOA duties to act. While HOAs aren't liable for all owner-to-owner disputes, they must address harassment related to protected classes, and the harassing owner can face consequences under housing laws, potentially even personal liability if the actions are severe enough
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 12/19/2025 9:02 AM
The director (not I) is victim of the harassment. Was hoping for some California experiences.

I appreciate your trying to be helpful, but what, if anything is this director doing if he or she is the one being harrassed?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By SheliaH on 12/20/2025 9:27 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 12/19/2025 9:02 AM
The director (not I) is victim of the harassment. Was hoping for some California experiences.


I appreciate your trying to be helpful, but what, if anything is this director doing if he or she is the one being harrassed?

She sent the annual mailing - identical package to all members.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By DeanJ on 12/20/2025 7:56 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 12/17/2025 4:22 PM
Has anyone used the new law that applies workplace harassment restraining order to protect directors from member?


Are you creating intimidating, hostile, or offensive housing environments through actions like sexual advances, threats, verbal abuse, or interfering with services?

According to AI, a non-board owner can violate California's Fair Employment and Housing Act (FEHA) or the Federal Fair Housing Act (FHA) by harassing a board member, especially if the harassment is based on a protected characteristic (race, religion, sex, disability, etc.), as housing providers (including HOAs) must prevent discriminatory harassment, and even owners must respect these anti-discrimination laws, triggering HOA duties to act. While HOAs aren't liable for all owner-to-owner disputes, they must address harassment related to protected classes, and the harassing owner can face consequences under housing laws, potentially even personal liability if the actions are severe enough

Not a protected class issue. It's serious harassment that serves no purpose, causing substantial emotional distress.
DeanJ
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Posted By TerriS6 on 12/20/2025 1:34 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 12/20/2025 7:56 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 12/17/2025 4:22 PM
Has anyone used the new law that applies workplace harassment restraining order to protect directors from member?


Are you creating intimidating, hostile, or offensive housing environments through actions like sexual advances, threats, verbal abuse, or interfering with services?

According to AI, a non-board owner can violate California's Fair Employment and Housing Act (FEHA) or the Federal Fair Housing Act (FHA) by harassing a board member, especially if the harassment is based on a protected characteristic (race, religion, sex, disability, etc.), as housing providers (including HOAs) must prevent discriminatory harassment, and even owners must respect these anti-discrimination laws, triggering HOA duties to act. While HOAs aren't liable for all owner-to-owner disputes, they must address harassment related to protected classes, and the harassing owner can face consequences under housing laws, potentially even personal liability if the actions are severe enough


Not a protected class issue. It's serious harassment that serves no purpose, causing substantial emotional distress.

Then I guess in a California you may cause substantial emotional distress to a board member unless less they are a protected class. I know it’s shocking.
TerriS6 (California)
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False statement.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 12/20/2025

I appreciate your trying to be helpful, but what, if anything is this director doing if he or she is the one being harrassed?


She sent the annual mailing - identical package to all members.

That's not what l asked. You can tell the lady this law exists, but as i saud earlier, it can take time before case law begins to appear - this one only took effect in January, so you'll have to be patient. You can tell her about the law, but she'll have to do the work to gather evidence and talk to an attorney about her options.

Meanwhile, did the board have a vote on what the package was supposed to contain before it went out? Is there a reason an executive session hasn't been called to discuss all this?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TerriS6 (California)
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Yes, and we had exec session.
DeanJ
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Posted By TerriS6 on 12/21/2025 7:11 AM
False statement.

No, you asked what the law was, The law does not protect everyone. This means you can’t go get the state of California to solve all your problems.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By DeanJ on 12/24/2025 8:30 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 12/21/2025 7:11 AM
False statement.


No, you asked what the law was, The law does not protect everyone. This means you can’t go get the state of California to solve all your problems.

I did not ask what the law was. I know what the law is. I asked if anyone had had experience with the new law.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DeanJ on 12/20/2025 4:49 PM

Then I guess in a California you may cause substantial emotional distress to a board member unless less they are a protected class.
I agree with TerriS6 that the above is a false statement.

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