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CarlS8 (Michigan)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Our condominium development has experienced sporadic criminal acts and when the police are called, they always ask if we checked nearby home security cameras. Usually, no worthwhile images are found and the bad guys are never caught. One of our members suggested to my Board that we consider installing security cameras at both entrances/exits and at other places along interior streets. Our board has no experience with security cameras, and they raised the usual questions: cost, power to the cameras, who monitors and how often, camera locations, quality of images...will they provide useful images. I volunteered to do some research on the topic and to report back to the Board. Any suggestions? Our condominium development is about 24 acres located within the City of Lansing MI. WE have 63 free-standing homes and 54 attached condo residences in 6 buildings, with a large green space common area in the center. We do have a perimeter fence but it is designed more for show than protection. There are 2 high schools and a middle school very close to us, so we have lots of non-resident kids coming through our development on public streets and pedestrian pathways.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Carl,
There have been many posts over the years on this site and I would recommend you use the search button to look back.

I love security cameras for many reasons, and I think the cost is minimal if it catches a couple of bad guys and they spread the word and others stay away.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What Mark said. You might want to start with reviewing the criminal acts (some cities have databases where you can look up incident reports in your area). Note what happened and when to see if there's a pattern - is there a certain area that seems to be more vulnerable? You could also talk to a crime prevention or whoever's in charge of neighborhood watch to see what you might consider - what would be the tipping point where the community might need this? If there are lots of homeowners with security cameras, it may be some of the footage you've seen didn't have night vision. And don't forget criminals aren't necessarily stupid - you have to expect they'll wear clothing that makes it difficult for them to be recognized or do a little checking to see what the house has before they try something. Cameras aren't perfect, but they can serve as deterrents.

Perhaps your board needs to publish periodic reminders on how homeowners can protect themselves. For example, it's Christmastime where porch pirating is even more of a thing. Reminding people to track their packages, use the post office's informed delivery, setting up special lockboxes where deliverypeople can place your packages and you an unlock the boxes later can be helpful.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
BryonW (Massachusetts)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Most cost and expense with cameras is the wiring and labor to install. The trick is finding good locations with the right vantage point, then, getting power and data wiring to those locations. Those costs far exceed the cameras and recorders.

I dislike, and do not recommend Alarm.com. Their systems are sold through a network of local installers. If you call local security companies, you are likely to get pitched Alarm.com. Beware that if you buy one of these systems, they lock it down so that only that installer can do maintenance/upgrades. No other companies can work on it. Also, they make you pay an ongoing subscription, despite the fact that your recorder has local hard drives. If you cancel the subscription, key features like motion detection quit working.

I have had good experience with Ubiquiti. They are a system where you buy the hardware once, and you own it with no subscription required. You can hire any technician of your choice to do maintenance & upgrades.

To your question of who monitors the cameras: one of the trustees would likely be responsible for reviewing the cameras whenever there is an incident. A few high priced security companies will do the footage review for you and send back a report. Get ready to pay $$$ for that (eg Kastle Systems). As mentioned above, having the motion detection properly configured is crucial. If you have a 4 hour time window when the crime might have occurred, and no motion detection, you have to watch the whole 4 hours. But with motion detection, you can just skip straight between each time a person / car passed, and breeze through the footage review much faster.

Where to place the cameras: I agree, #1 priority is entrances and exits. If you have budget for more coverage, then I would prioritize, in this order:
#2: views of the green space/ common area, and any other areas with possible premises liability.
#3: views of any critical infrastructure or likely theft targets. Eg. do you have a storage shed with expensive maintenance tools?
#4: views of major intersections within your property.

Will they provide useful images? With such a large property, you are unlikely to have a camera view of the criminal act itself. With cameras just at entrances and exits, what you will get is a picture of everyone who came/went around the time. Now you have to filter that list, eliminate people you recognize as residents, to narrow down to the suspect. Even then, you probably won't have a clear view of their face.

One thing that might make the footage more useful, especially if your criminals are coming/going via car, is a special camera called an LPR - License Plate Reader: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/cameras-bullet/products/uvc-ai-lpr - it will automatically log all the license plates coming and going.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Good advice Byron, but please be careful with naming specific companies- its against posting rules.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
BryonW (Massachusetts)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Thanks Sheila for that reminder - I forgot that rule.

CarlS - I hope you see my original post before a mod comes along and removes it. If not, here is a sanitized version without the company names:

Most cost and expense with cameras is the wiring and labor to install. The trick is finding good locations with the right vantage point, then, getting power and data wiring to those locations. Those costs far exceed the cameras and recorders.

If you call local security companies, you are likely to get pitched systems that are "locked" - meaning only that installer can do maintenance/upgrades. No other companies can work on it. Also, they make you pay an ongoing subscription, despite the fact that your recorder has local hard drives. If you cancel the subscription, key features like motion detection quit working.

I strongly prefer systems where you buy the hardware once, and you own it, with no subscription required. You can hire any technician of your choice to do maintenance & upgrades.

To your question of who monitors the cameras: one of the trustees would likely be responsible for reviewing the cameras whenever there is an incident. A few high priced security companies will do the footage review for you and send back a report. Get ready to pay $$$ for that. As mentioned above, having the motion detection properly configured is crucial. If you have a 4 hour time window when the crime might have occurred, and no motion detection, you have to watch the whole 4 hours. But with motion detection, you can just skip straight between each time a person / car passed, and breeze through the footage review much faster.

Where to place the cameras: I agree, #1 priority is entrances and exits. If you have budget for more coverage, then I would prioritize, in this order:
#2: views of the green space/ common area, and any other areas with possible premises liability.
#3: views of any critical infrastructure or likely theft targets. Eg. do you have a storage shed with expensive maintenance tools?
#4: views of major intersections within your property.

Will they provide useful images? With such a large property, you are unlikely to have a camera view of the criminal act itself. With cameras just at entrances and exits, what you will get is a picture of everyone who came/went around the time. Now you have to filter that list, eliminate people you recognize as residents, to narrow down to the suspect. Even then, you probably won't have a clear view of their face.

One thing that might make the footage more useful, especially if your criminals are coming/going via car, is a special camera called an LPR - License Plate Reader. These will automatically log all the license plates coming and going.

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