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JohnA32 (New Jersey)
Posts: 9
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In New Jersey our BOY is in the process of renovating our 3,800 sq.ft. clubhouse at a cost of $150,000. The project includes replacing a stone floor which according to the most recent engineering study still has at a minimum 20 years of useful life. The floor will be replaced with a vynel wood floor with a 15 to 20 year life. The clubhouse will be closed forthe two months to complete the project.
The Board claims that according to the attorney they do not need Community approval and refuses to answer the following questions.
Any opinions.

1-What is the difference between a Capital Expense and a Capital Project?
2-The Board's current position is that the Project does not require community approval. In relation to this position:
2a. Did the Board's attorney review the full scope of the proposed renovation project?
2b. Is the Board's attorney aware that you are planning to completely replace the existing stone floor, which, according to the most recent Falcon report, still has a minimum of 20 years of useful life remaining?
3-What is the attorney's opinion with regards to the intent and interpretation of Article XI - Additions, Alterations or Improvements by the Association, as outlined in our governing documents?
4-What is the attorney's opinion with regards to the purpose and interpretation of the provision within Article XI that allows the Board, β€œin an emergency which could cause damage to any portion of the Common Property, to expend sums over $5,000 to protect it, with the Board's judgment being final”?
5-What mechanism or provision in our governing documents is in place to prevent a new Board, acting according to their personal taste, from deciding in the near future to change your new floor back to a stone floor or to repaint the entire clubhouse a different color? How are we, the community members, protected from such discretionary changes?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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1. The project is the work being done, and the expense is the cost associated with that. In this case, replacing the stone floor is the PROJECT, and the cost of said project is the expense.

2. The attorney should be reviewing the contract for the project to ensure there are no weird surprises that may result in cost overruns, the contractor bailing on the project, ensuring subcontractors won't file liens against the association if they don't get paid, etc. It's not the attorney's job to comment on whether replacing a stone floor with wood or vinyl makes sense. You and your neighbors should be asking the board (all of them) why they feel this is a good idea. Perhaps the cost of maintaining a stone floor vs. a vinyl or wood one is more expensive and they're trying to keep costs down. Make sure they show you the numbers - and if you have ideas on how the current floor could be maintained at a more reasonable rate, speak up and offer to help find said solutions.

Questions 3 and 4 can also be answered by the attorney - since the attorney represents the association, not individual owners, it's ok to ask the BOARD how it concluded it didn't need community approval. For all you know, the attorney said this project might require homeowner approval and the board chose to ignore it.

Which brings us to question 5 - First, you need to READ YOUR DOCUMENTS to see what it says about capital improvements and how they should be done. The clubhouse is an example of the common area, but it wouldn't hurt to read what areas are considered common areas in case this sort of thing comes up again.

You probably won't find anything regarding how a board member or group of board members' tastes in flooring, faucets, paint color or that sort of thing affects the common areas. This isn't the same as design standards, which some HOAs put in their CCRs to regulate the type of exteriors changes a homeowner can make with or without prior approval from the board. For example, you might want to replace the fence around your yard, which should comply with the design standards that say it can't be made of wood, has to be a shadowbox style and can't exceed 6 feet. The documents might also state the board is authorized to establish additional rules that flesh out the CCRs. In this case, the CCRs may require prior board approval for certain exterior changes, but the design standards are community rules that can be established, amended or dropped by the board.

If you have a decent board, they will poll the community to see what works and perhaps have an expert look at the community to see what type of changes would be most appropriate to maintain the overall look and design of the housing while avoiding the cookie cutter look, which is boring and in some cases reminds one of a horror movie.

Back to capital improvements. According to Google AI, a capital improvement is a significant repair, replacement or upgrade to the common area that enhances its value and function, such as a roof replacement, new landscaping, a new security system, etc. This isn't the same as routine maintenance for the common area, which might be cleaning the gutters of the roof or hiring an expert to deep clean the stone floor - use the wrong type of cleaner and you could damage it. By the way, has that been an issue with this floor - why not ask the board about that too?

Apparently, you feel your BOY (whoever that is) wants to do this for reasons that you don't agree with. That's fine, but what about the rest of the board? What do other homeowners think - have you asked anyone else about this? Could it be your feelings towards the guy are getting in the way of a decision that has to be made regarding this floor? Remember, one board member can be outvoted and if he or she still manages to bully everyone else into unnecessary spending, the homeowners (you and your neighbors again) can rally together and call for a special meeting to discuss a recall (that may be in your documents to, so be sure to read the bylaws to see what they say, and then find some allies and get to work. Hope this helps!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By JohnA32 on 11/13/2025 11:51 AM
In New Jersey our BOY is in the process of renovating our 3,800 sq.ft. clubhouse at a cost of $150,000. The project includes replacing a stone floor which according to the most recent engineering study still has at a minimum 20 years of useful life. The floor will be replaced with a vynel wood floor with a 15 to 20 year life. The clubhouse will be closed forthe two months to complete the project.
The Board claims that according to the attorney they do not need Community approval and refuses to answer the following questions.
Any opinions.

1-What is the difference between a Capital Expense and a Capital Project?
Consider quoting everything your HOA's Declaration says about these two phrases.

Else you as a non-director owner do not have any legal right to know the attorney's opinion.

There may be a lot of subjectivity on this topic. Without seeing the entirety of your governing documents, it is hard to say if the Board is clearly violating the HOA's governing documents and/or state law.

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Posted By JohnA32 on 11/13/2025 11:51 AM
5-What mechanism or provision in our governing documents is in place to prevent a new Board, acting according to their personal taste, from deciding in the near future to change your new floor back to a stone floor or to repaint the entire clubhouse a different color? How are we, the community members, protected from such discretionary changes?
Any competent HOA attorney will respond that owners have a right to recall directors as described in the bylaws and/or state law.
JohnA32 (New Jersey)
Posts: 9
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1- Below is a copy of the bylaw
2- BOY is a typo Corrected BOT
3-The BOT has not answered the Questions and will not allow the letter to be posted on the community facebook page.
4- The Board advised the community the renovation project was approved via email. No public vote was taken.
5- Although the renovation project was on the agenda for three consecutive open monthly Board meetings. No report was given and no questions from the community were permitted.
6- We are a 55+ community. People do not want to go on the record
7- only 4 of 15 former board members are willing to go on record opposing the renovation project in general and the stone floor in particular.

Amended By Laws approved 2010
ARTICLE XI- ADDITIONS, ALTERATIONS OR IMPROVEMENTS BY THE ASSOCIATION Whenever, in the judgment of the Board, the Common Property requires capital improvements costing in excess of $5,000.00 in any one calendar year, said improvements shall not be made unless they have been approved by a majority of votes at a meeting of the Association at which a quorum is present. When said approval has been obtained, all Owners shall be assessed for the cost thereof as a Common Expense. In the event of any emergency which could cause damage to any portion of the Common Property,the Board may, in its absolute discretion, expend such sums in excess of $5,000.00 as may be required to protect the Common Property and the judgment of the Board shall be final.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By JohnA32 on 11/15/2025 2:44 AM
1- Below is a copy of the bylaw
[snippage]
4- The Board advised the community the renovation project was approved via email. No public vote was taken.
5- Although the renovation project was on the agenda for three consecutive open monthly Board meetings. No report was given and no questions from the community were permitted.
[snippage]


Amended By Laws approved 2010
ARTICLE XI- ADDITIONS, ALTERATIONS OR IMPROVEMENTS BY THE ASSOCIATION Whenever, in the judgment of the Board, the Common Property requires capital improvements costing in excess of $5,000.00 in any one calendar year, said improvements shall not be made unless they have been approved by a majority of votes at a meeting of the Association at which a quorum is present. When said approval has been obtained, all Owners shall be assessed for the cost thereof as a Common Expense. In the event of any emergency which could cause damage to any portion of the Common Property,the Board may, in its absolute discretion, expend such sums in excess of $5,000.00 as may be required to protect the Common Property and the judgment of the Board shall be final.

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Posted By JohnA32 on 11/13/2025 11:51 AM

2-The Board's current position is that the Project does not require community approval.
It appears that the Board does not think installing vinyl plank flooring is a capital improvement. If one looks up the definition of "capital improvement," then what gets my attention is that a capital improvement is supposed to extend the life of a component or add value to the property. The definition seems to give the board the wiggle room to assert that the vinyl plank is maintenance and not a capital improvement. Granted the board seems to be doing a downgrade of sorts. I find this slippery. And yet: "Slippery" means arguing legally against the vinyl plank. In sum:

Some owners assert the vinyl plank is a capital improvement and so the voted described in the Bylaw you quoted must be taken.

The Board says it is not a capital improvement, because the vinyl plank does not extend the life of the floor nor add value.

Bottom line: I think you owners can speak out in protest and threaten a recall or even a lawsuit (claiming the bylaw is being violated). I do not like the owners' chances in a lawsuit. I think the best recourse is to recall directors or tell them you will thrown them out in the next election. Also start a door-to-door campaign. Put up a web site pointing out why you owners think the vinyl plank et cetera is foolish and a waste of money. Talking about wasting money gets people's attention.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By ElleN on 11/15/2025 7:46 AM
And yet: "Slippery" means arguing legally against the vinyl plank
... will be difficult.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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If you want an attorney opinion on your questions, you have to hire and pay the attorney for the service. Your HOA board does not have to go back to the HOA attorney to have your questions addressed and report back to you.

While there are HOA declarations that limit funds that can be spent for capitol improvement projects, replacing flooring in an existing building where the use of the building is not changing is not a capitol improvement. Nor are there many HOA declarations that require the useful life to be expended before an HOA opts for a replacement.

The fact your building has a stone floor suggests this building is quite dated as far as decor and in need of a face lift.

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