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MarkF19 (Ohio)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Im sure all our COAs have documented rules/regulations that we all must comply with. I'm referring to mundane things like loud music/noise, parking violations/speeding, littering/dog poo, owner responsible maintenance, etc. But what power does the board have over violators? Typically, first violation, we send a paper letter via USPS. But what then if they don't comply? Our legal has told us we cannot fine them; it wouldn't hold up in court (we are in Ohio). Please advise.
fwiw, 40yo community, 126 units, @$200-250 each.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
We can't fine in this state either, although I remember hearing about a way around that. Unfortunately, I can't remember who said it or what it would entail. I do know there's case law in this state where tge ruling stated HOAs can't fine because they aren't government agencies.

Anyhow, you might not be able to fine, but you can sue yo compel enforcement. If your documents state certain community rules must be followed by all association members, you should be able to due fir their failure or refusal to comply. Association members are homeowners and the rules extend to members of their households and visitors (that should cover the people who rent out their units).

Of course that's easier said than done - there are conversations all over this website about the drama that is rule enforcement. There are no magic spells so you may need to try everything twice to see what works. And then start over when you get new owners! That said, here's one person's suggestions that seem to help (sometimes). Someo of these came from other posters on this website:

1. Make sure the homeowners know what the rules are. Start with your documents, listing citations that address various issues. Whenever you send a violation letter, those citations should be in there so people know you're not pulling it out your behind. Remind everyone they agreed to comply with community rules when they purchased their homes and became association members. The 4ules should ensure everyone lives in a clean, safe, attractive neighborhood with steady and rising property values (whatever those are- no one agrees about that 9n this website!)

If the documents give the board the authority to enact additional rules to flesh out the CCRs, quote that citation and provide an updated list of those rules, including the dates they were enacted and the most recent update. Those updates should have been approved at a board meeting via resolution - and you should be able to list the date so people can review the appropriate board meeting minutes that recorded that vote.

2. Take a homeowner poll to see what they think of rule enforcement. What do they think are the most thorny issues? Any suggestions on how to enforce them? Someone or several people may have some great ideas.

3. Issues like dog poo are also violations of city or county rules, so people could file complaints there. However, they will also need to gather evidence (time and date stamped photos are a start).

In fact, tell homeowners the board can't and will not get into dustups between individual homeowners. You should jump in if the issue results in misuse or abuse of the common areas. Otherwise, people need to act like adults and talk to each other to try and resolve their issues without cursing, threats, throwing hands or gunfire.

4. Do not accept anonymous complaints. If someone's concerned about retaliation, that's probably a police matter and board members aren't police. Complaints need 5o be as specific as possible so tge board can investigate. The homeowner doesn't need to know who complained, but 8f things escalate to legal action, the association will need witnesses to support the case.

5. Be fair and consistent. Having a separate rules enforcement committee to review complaints can be useful, but the final decision should rest with the board. Committee members and board members are expected to recuse themselves if there's a perceived or actual conflict of interest.

6. Arbitration can be a good way to settle disputes. I prefer settings where both sides agree in advance to comply with the decision and split tge costs, with the winner reimbursing the winner. If someone loses zbd still refuses to straighten up, the proceedings can be used in court as evidence.

7. Finally, be reasonable. HOA rules shouldnt dictate EVERYTHING - that takes too much time and resources to enforce anyway. Nor are they the 10 commandments - a periodic review of what needs to be added, subtracted or adjusted is a good thing.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By MarkF19 on 11/11/2025 11:11 AM
Im sure all our COAs have documented rules/regulations that we all must comply with. I'm referring to mundane things like loud music/noise, parking violations/speeding, littering/dog poo, owner responsible maintenance, etc. But what power does the board have over violators? Typically, first violation, we send a paper letter via USPS. But what then if they don't comply? Our legal has told us we cannot fine them; it wouldn't hold up in court (we are in Ohio). Please advise.
fwiw, 40yo community, 126 units, @$200-250 each.

I think you need new legal. My HOA is in Ohio and our legal is not advising us not to fine people because we can’t win in court.

First, the HOA has to have clear and unambiguous regulations. You legal should review your regulations.

As with any court case, your HOA has to properly document the evidence and the steps taken. If it’s loud music, this means identifying the unit and using a meter to measure and document the level. Video is a great tool.

In our HOA, there are no warnings, but the owner is given a time period to correct the violation and not be fined. If the violation isn’t corrected, a fine is imposed and is escalates in cost every 7 days. A repeat offense is fined immediately.

BryonW (Massachusetts)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Hi MarkF!

Check out: https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-5311.081

The relevant quote:
"...the unit owners association, through the board of directors, may exercise all powers of the association, including the power to do the following:
...impose reasonable enforcement assessments for violations of the declaration, the bylaws, and the rules of the unit owners association,"

My comment is that lawyers, like all other professions, come in a wide range from excellent to incompetent. Agree with DeanJ, you should shop around.

Here in Massachusetts, we have some firms who specialize in only condo law, and for routine matters like enforcement and collections, these firms are very fast and efficient. Try looking for the Ohio equivalent.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
Per the Ohio condo statute, what ByronW kindly quoted applies only if MarkF19's HOA's Declaration expressly subjects the condominium association to the provisions of the Ohio condo statute.

MarkF19, does your association's declaration specifically subject the association to the provisions of the Ohio Condo statute?
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 11/12/2025 7:10 AM
Per the Ohio condo statute, what ByronW kindly quoted applies only if MarkF19's HOA's Declaration expressly subjects the condominium association to the provisions of the Ohio condo statute.

MarkF19, does your association's declaration specifically subject the association to the provisions of the Ohio Condo statute?

I don’t know what section you read, but you grossly misinterpreted Ohio law. There is no requirement for the declaration to state it is subject the condo to the law in Ohio to enforce regulations.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By DeanJ on 11/12/2025 7:36 AM
There is no requirement for the declaration to state it is subject the condo to the law in Ohio to enforce regulations.
I said nothing of the sort.

You misread my post.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By ElleN on 11/12/2025 8:57 AM
Posted By DeanJ on 11/12/2025 7:36 AM
There is no requirement for the declaration to state it is subject the condo to the law in Ohio to enforce regulations.
I said nothing of the sort.

You misread my post.
Strike the above. I see what DeanJ was trying to say.

DeanJ, see Ohio Code statute sections 5311.02 and 5311.01, under the definition of "condominium." Nationwide many states have such provisions requiring that the Declaration expressly subject the association to the state's condo statute for the statute to apply to the condominium.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By DeanJ on 11/12/2025 7:36 AM
There is no requirement for the declaration to state it is subject the condo to the law in Ohio to enforce regulations.
"Regulations" are what the Ohio Administrative Code contains. The Administrative Code is very different from the Ohio Revised Code.

Various Ohio state agencies write the Administrative Code.

Ohio's Congress, with the governor's approval yada, writes the Ohio Revised Code.

Ohio's condo statute is in the Ohio Revised Code.

The phrase "subject the condo to the law in Ohio" is likewise not accurate in this context.

I think online communications in particular demand some attention to exactness.
MarkF19 (Ohio)
Posts: 5
Posted:
TY for all the replies!
Yea, I figured this topic had been covered previously; I did a quick search; didnt find anything. My search wasnt very good.
I will start by going thru my condo's documents to see if they reference codes, as suggested above.
I will suggest to my fellow board members they join this community, if for no other reason they can read this thread.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 11/12/2025 9:19 AM
Posted By DeanJ on 11/12/2025 7:36 AM
There is no requirement for the declaration to state it is subject the condo to the law in Ohio to enforce regulations.
"Regulations" are what the Ohio Administrative Code contains. The Administrative Code is very different from the Ohio Revised Code.

Various Ohio state agencies write the Administrative Code.

Ohio's Congress, with the governor's approval yada, writes the Ohio Revised Code.

Ohio's condo statute is in the Ohio Revised Code.

The phrase "subject the condo to the law in Ohio" is likewise not accurate in this context.

I think online communications in particular demand some attention to exactness.

One again, you grossly mistake Ohio condominium law.

There is no specific "Ohio Administrative Code" for condos, the primary laws are found in the Ohio Revised Code (ORC) Chapter 5311.

5311.081(B)(5) Authorizes a condo board to adopt rules that regulate the use or occupancy of units, the maintenance, repair, replacement, modification, and appearance of units, common elements, and limited common elements when the actions regulated by those rules affect common elements or other units;

5311.19 (A) All unit owners, their tenants, all persons lawfully in possession and control of any part of a condominium property, and the unit owners association of a condominium property shall comply with all covenants, conditions, and restrictions set forth in a deed to which they are subject or in the declaration, the bylaws, or the rules of the unit owners association, as lawfully amended. Violations of those covenants, conditions, or restrictions shall be grounds for the unit owners association or any unit owner to commence a civil action for damages, injunctive relief, or both, and an award of court costs and reasonable attorney's fees in both types of action.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 11/12/2025 9:13 AM
DeanJ, see Ohio Code statute sections 5311.02 and 5311.01, under the definition of "condominium."

MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
I liked Sheila's list and number five is a good start. Keep the owners informed about the idea of setting up this committee and the reason for it.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 11/11/2025 12:34 PM

1. Make sure the homeowners know what the rules are. Start with your documents, listing citations that address various issues. Whenever you send a violation letter, those citations should be in there so people know you're not pulling it out your behind. Remind everyone they agreed to comply with community rules when they purchased their homes and became association members. The 4ules should ensure everyone lives in a clean, safe, attractive neighborhood with steady and rising property values (whatever those are- no one agrees about that 9n this website!)

If the documents give the board the authority to enact additional rules to flesh out the CCRs, quote that citation and provide an updated list of those rules, including the dates they were enacted and the most recent update. Those updates should have been approved at a board meeting via resolution - and you should be able to list the date so people can review the appropriate board meeting minutes that recorded that vote.

2. Take a homeowner poll to see what they think of rule enforcement. What do they think are the most thorny issues? Any suggestions on how to enforce them? Someone or several people may have some great ideas.

3. Issues like dog poo are also violations of city or county rules, so people could file complaints there. However, they will also need to gather evidence (time and date stamped photos are a start).

In fact, tell homeowners the board can't and will not get into dustups between individual homeowners. You should jump in if the issue results in misuse or abuse of the common areas. Otherwise, people need to act like adults and talk to each other to try and resolve their issues without cursing, threats, throwing hands or gunfire.

4. Do not accept anonymous complaints. If someone's concerned about retaliation, that's probably a police matter and board members aren't police. Complaints need 5o be as specific as possible so tge board can investigate. The homeowner doesn't need to know who complained, but 8f things escalate to legal action, the association will need witnesses to support the case.

5. Be fair and consistent. Having a separate rules enforcement committee to review complaints can be useful, but the final decision should rest with the board. Committee members and board members are expected to recuse themselves if there's a perceived or actual conflict of interest.

6. Arbitration can be a good way to settle disputes. I prefer settings where both sides agree in advance to comply with the decision and split tge costs, with the winner reimbursing the winner. If someone loses zbd still refuses to straighten up, the proceedings can be used in court as evidence.

7. Finally, be reasonable. HOA rules shouldnt dictate EVERYTHING - that takes too much time and resources to enforce anyway. Nor are they the 10 commandments - a periodic review of what needs to be added, subtracted or adjusted is a good thing.

I think these are excellent. And my HOA ignores each and every one of them.

Bill


HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 11/13/2025 2:23 AM
Posted By ElleN on 11/12/2025 9:13 AM
DeanJ, see Ohio Code statute sections 5311.02 and 5311.01, under the definition of "condominium."


Ellen,
You are reaching for straws, All the condo are properly filed in Ohio with the county recorders office and this isn’t issue.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
DeanJ, you did not read the statute sections I cited.
MarkF19 (Ohio)
Posts: 5
Posted:
yea, my condo documents reference Ohio Revised Code 5311. It appears we can fine violators. However, we've had this discussion, & our lawyer says we can't. I will being the issue up again @ the Board Meeting next week, armed with the information I'm getting from the great ppl @ hoatalk.

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