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JeanG1 (Florida)
Posts: 1
Posted:
WE HAVE 5 MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD, 3 OF THEM MET WITH OUT POSTED NOTICE. THEY GOT TOGETHER BEFORE THE BOARD MEETING DISCUSED THE ROAD ISSUE, CAME TO THE MEETING , WITH OUT A DISCUSSION MADE A MOTION TO PASS THE ISSUE, IT WAS SECONDED AND BEFORE IT WAS VOTED ON i STOPPED THE VOTE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION, AFTER ACCUSING THEM OF THIS MEETING ONE CHANGED HIS THINKING.

I WANT TO REPORT THIS TO THE FLORIDA HOA LAW, THIS WAS THE SECOND TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED.

THANK YOU LET ME KNOW IF I SHOULD DROP IT OR GO FURTHER.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Jean:

I would just remind the board of proper voting procedures and recording Minutes of the meeting. That they cannot just have a get together out in some one's driveway and make decisions that way.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
JeanG1 - 3 of the BOD members obviously came with an agenda proven by their immediate motioning without a discussion. There's no way to legislate what people do or do not talk about outside of a formal BOD meeting. But stick to your guns, don't go legal right now, just tell these members that you realize they feel a certain way, and may discuss things in advance of a meeting, however you have an opinion to express as well and would appreciate everyone letting each other be heard prior to taking a vote.

Now, was this an open meeting to the entire community? I say this because a motion was made and a vote was attempted to be taken. I believe in Florida (as in most states including mine) votes of the BOD cannot happen behind closed doors, must happen in an open meeting, correct? Unless there's some sort of legal matter or compelling reason to ratify something privately. If that's so, you may all have been in violation of the state law if a vote was actually taken, even if you personally voted no. DonnaS - any thoughts or reference to Florida law on that?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Jean,
You need to do a couple of things at the next meeting.
First of all, you are allowed to call a "POINT OF ORDER", which means that the Board has done something illegal in the procedure. In your case, the meeting was not posted properly and they cannot procede. Florida 720;303 requires a 48 hours notice with an agenda included.

Don't bother trying to report this to the Attorney General because it is not a big enough infraction for them to get involved. Take care of this from inside your association.

Copy the Statute that they are breaking. Maybe they just don't know OR they got away with it once or twice and will continue doing so until someone calls them on it.

Do you have a property manager? That person ought to know the law. Anyhow, below is the Statute for reference.

2) BOARD MEETINGS.--

(c) The bylaws shall provide for giving notice to parcel owners and members of all board meetings and, if they do not do so, shall be deemed to provide the following:

1. Notices of all board meetings must be posted in a conspicuous place in the community at least 48 hours in advance of a meeting, except in an emergency. In the alternative, if notice is not posted in a conspicuous place in the community, notice of each board meeting must be mailed or delivered to each member at least 7 days before the meeting, except in an emergency. Notwithstanding this general notice requirement, for communities with more than 100 members, the bylaws may provide for a reasonable alternative to posting or mailing of notice for each board meeting, including publication of notice, provision of a schedule of board meetings, or the conspicuous posting and repeated broadcasting of the notice on a closed-circuit cable television system serving the homeowners' association. However, if broadcast notice is used in lieu of a notice posted physically in the community, the notice must be broadcast at least four times every broadcast hour of each day that a posted notice is otherwise required. When broadcast notice is provided, the notice and agenda must be broadcast in a manner and for a sufficient continuous length of time so as to allow an average reader to observe the notice and read and comprehend the entire content of the notice and the agenda. The bylaws or amended bylaws may provide for giving notice by electronic transmission in a manner authorized by law for meetings of the board of directors, committee meetings requiring notice under this section, and annual and special meetings of the members; however, a member must consent in writing to receiving notice by electronic transmission.

GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
DonnaS - My state's laws are very specific in that agendas must be posted physically in the community regardless if it's "broadcast" via closed-circuit cable tv, or not broadcast.

Interesting is that the law you cited does not state that the agenda be included, only that "Notices of all board meetings must be posted in a conspicuous place in the community at least 48 hours in advance of a meeting...". Nothing about agendas, only notices. The agenda requirement AS WRITTEN in your citing is in a separate sentence applying to "broadcast" notice used in lieu of a notice posted physically in the community.

Now, does Florida law state define notice to include an agenda?

JeanG1 doesn't state what kind of meeting this was, a meeting of the Board for workshop/executive or an open meeting. It seems it was a meeting of the Board and 3 members pow wowed before hand and came with an agenda. Regardless there should be a posting as the law clearly states.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Hey Gerald,
There is a seperate sentence stating the requirement for agendas to be on the notice. This is one reason that so many of the statutes are difficult to comply with because they seperate so many items in different locations. Makes it tough on Boards to know what to do sometimes.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Jean, you said that there was no "discussion" after the second was made on the motion.

WHO is able to speak at the debate time, after the motion was made?

Are general members allowed to enter into discussions at your Board meetings?

If not, the Board did not do anything "illegal." There simply was no debate.

The vote gets taken, and the results are what they are. (Not sure how anyone can "change" their vote after it has been counted, but that's another issue)

SidneyP (Florida)
Posts: 302
Posted:
Our Board does the same thing...they have meetings in a Board members house...and usually exclude the one member that usually opposes them. Last year the HO's received the invoice for the upcoming dues only 12 days before due w/a 10% increase (372/409). We received no warning of such an increase and there was no meeting. I sent an e-mail telling them that this was an illegal action and the increase should be null and void. I also ask how they came to make this decission w/o having a meeting?....I received no response...The Annual meeting was not held until March, even though our CC&R's state Jan. which is when our finscal year begines.

Our CC&R's do say an increse can be done w/o HO vote at a limit of 10% but it also states:

"Fix the amount of the annual assessment against each lot owner at least 30 days in advance of each annual assessment period."

"Send written notice of each assessment to every owner subject thereto at
least 30 days in advance of each annual assessment period.

What is a HO to do if the Board does not follow the CC&R's. And they are doing it "knowingly and willingly"....Don't tell me recall, there is no one who wants the job except a couple of us (myself included)...I have volunteered many times but they will not let me on the Board. That is because I was on the Board once and I wanted to follow the rules. Stating that if they didn't like the rules than we should bring them to the HO's and have a vote to change them....They even appointed a HO that lives out of town to a Board position to keep me out. Even though it also stated: Directors man NOT vote by proxy or by secret ballot at Board meetings except a secret ballot may be used when electing officers."

There must be some offical that these "knowingly and willingly" actions are taken by the Board. There must be something out there for the protection of HO's.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Sidney,
I read your posts over and over, trying to find the achilles heel in your Board. Yes, they are very frequently not complying with your own documents and the State Statutes. There is no recourse other than either recalling them or having a mutiny from the residents. You have pointed out to them when they are going against the docs and Statutes. It seems that they just are ignoring your information to them.

Maybe mutiney would work but it might cost money from any homeowners who would be willing to get on board this train of thought. The last resort is to hire your own attorney who would write a letter to the,, stating what they are doing against the Statutes and Docs. IT might be just the thing that would shake them up and wake them up. I don't know the personalities involved but unless they are down right stupid or ignorant, something might get their attention.

My experience--I bought a villa in a 55+ community with the intention of renting it out until we retired and sold our big house, then we planned on living there. Mind you, we live 8 blocks away so we aren't exactly absentee landlords. We got a great 80 year old couple to rent and within 2 months, the nasty Board proposed a "NON RENTAL" clause. There would be no grandfathering in.

They got an amendment out, it was voted on and lost by 4 votes. The boogers sent the amendment to the County to be filed as an amendment. Then I started to do my math, and discovered that the 2/3rds vote was a different number than what they acheived. I hired a lawyer,($1000.00) he wrote them a letter and kindly reminded them of their inability to count and they had 30 days to rescind the amendment. It got done and all ended well. So, sometimes you have to bite the bullet and go the extra mile.
(p.s.) lawyers in Florida are very expensive.
SidneyP (Florida)
Posts: 302
Posted:
Donna....I was thinking about doing that....you you saying one letter will cost me $1000.....I'd sure like to get more then one letter for that much money....I'm going to trying writting the HO's once again and this time send a few of the financials for them to see themselves, instead of just my word. I hate it when HO's just don't care. When I talk to HO's they complain about this and that but(this is only the 5/6 that even go to a meeting or should I say use to go) Then at a meeting they say nothing, set silent. Like now, these few are pushing me to do what ever it takes to get on the Board but when I ask, who is going with me, they all have excuses.

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