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KimB9 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I am the Secretary of our HOA and have only held that position since the first of the year. In fact, the entire Board of Directors are also new. Our problem is our immediate past President. Instead of helping us to transition, she is watching us like a hawk and condemning our every move. She has even gone to Tallahassee about something the current President did, or so I've been told. Just this past weekend, our CAM called and told me that she is scared to death to have any contact with her for fear of saying/doing something wrong. (During the past President's 18-month tenure, our HOA went through 3 or 4 CAMs.) I am afraid she will run off yet another CAM. What can we, as a Board, do to stop this?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Well, she NOW has NO power, and maybe needs to be reminded of that.

She is no longer able to represent the association in any way. So your PM needs to ignore her and if this person continues to act like she has authority, then she needs to be put into her place. "I am not able to speak to you about that. I report to the Board" is the wording to use.

Find a committee that she can be on to help direct that energy and expertise.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
KimB9 - Sounds like the past Pres. is a bit of a spoiler. Too bad. Sometimes however, a Board's "worst enemy" turns out to be it's best friend. By that I mean that you may still be able to learn something from the past Pres. for example if meetings need to be held a certain way by state law, things of that nature. I'd take Susan's suggestion in providing a letter reminding the past Pres. that she does not have the power to act on behalf of the association. However, a mutually convenient time to meet and discuss all your concerns will be provided at the next open meeting. Please attend, there are several committees that may benefit from your assistance. Or something to that effect to try and channel the past Pres. in the right direction, other than a cattle prod!!! : )
JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
One member of our board obeys only the former president. Does not want the present president and often won't take direction from him.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Obviously, that "one member" doesn't understand the functions of a Board.

Why follow a dead horse?
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
take your past president and put s/he to work. ask them to be your "rules of order" mentor, and give a small training on how business should be done by the rules. take notes. ask questions. pick their brain. accept their training.

then, when that president tries to overstep their bounds, you will have knowledge, given from their own expert source (themselves) to kindly ask them to remain in their position, not overstep their authority, etc..

you might learn a lot, and you will certainly learn enough to shut them down.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
KimB9: I agree with posters here to "draw her with honey". You have nothing to fear from her UNLESS you believe you may be in error while governing the association. And, important, don't take heresay or rumors as truth. So what if she made a visit to Tallahassee, maybe she went to visit a sick friend...

Approach this person with respect. She does have the experience the present Board members do not. I would not ask her to attend private Board meetings wherein decisions will be made, but I would find a way to bring her in on a discussion of past situations and how she and her Board handled them--all with an attitude of learning. Perhaps she would want to head up a committee: survey, social, hospitality, newsletter, etc. As new Board members, you will want all the assistance you can get and it is good to win her over to your side.

I am however concerned over the reaction of your CAM and that she is 'scared to death' of her. If this CAM is a professional, one who is out to cause trouble should not scare her. Your CAM should always be pleasant, professional, confident and if necessary, firm. The attitude must come from her experience in dealing with people of all types.

AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
I'm interested in knowing why she's a "past" president? Did she run for the board and not get reelected? Or did she chose not to run? She sounds very vindictive and spiteful, for some reason. If she ran and did not get reelected I seriously doubt she'll want to be on some committee. If she's already "gone to Tallahassee" she obviously is not going to be helpful or work with the new Board. It seems she's out to "prove" that the new board doesn't know what they're doing and will take every opportunity to make them look bad, uneducated, and worthless. All in an effort to regain a board position when she runs again. So she'll spend all of this year telling the entire association that they made a mistake by voting in these people.

KimB9 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
We've tried to include her on many things since she would be a wonderful resource. She refuses to be of help to the board. I've tried to contact her, but to no avail. She even snubbed the wife of our current HOA President when she tried to talk to her. She refused to attend our first Board Meeting since she thought we didn't follow the correct procedure for notifying Homeowners. Trying to save $$, we posted notice on a sign at the entrance to our subdivision and on our website instead of mailing everyone notices. We also followed the State statutes of 48-hour notice instead of 14-day notice. The sign and website posting was well over the 48-hour time limit. She refuses to hand over copies of corporate documents stating she doesn't have them. I sent a certified letter requesting them, but she won't pick it up from the post office. I could go on ...
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Kim:

Sometimes its best (especially when its sour grapes) to leave the past in the past and just move on with the things at hand. New board, new management just move forward and make the best decisions for the community.

Don't let 1 bad apple spoil the bunch.
KimB9 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Anna - She chose not to run. All of our vendors have expressed a HUGE sigh of relief. She was on the ARC committee, but removed herself. She still continues to walk the neighborhood looking for violations. We (the Board) toyed with the idea of asking her to chair a Violations committee, but I don't think she wants to help.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
KimB9: This sounds like 'sour grapes' on her part. Move on, be about the business of running the association according to all restrictions and guidelines. If she gets over her attitude, there may be a place for her.

GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
KimB9 - You tried sending a certified letter, but don't need to prove you sent the letter other than keep a copy of the one you now need to mail regular US post. May I suggest the board provide all residents a calendar of Board meetings and regularly scheduled events once a year, in addition to posting the meeting 48 hours in advance in a prominent place, and putting it up on the website. This way all your basis are covered. Have you removed the Pres. name as a signatory on the Association bank accounts?
KimB9 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
One of the first things our CAM did was to remove her ability to sign.

Believe me, we are trying our best to move on. We continue to smile and try to carry on in spite of her toxic ways.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Kim,
Everyone has given you the best way to handle here and that is to totally ignore her. You have tried to include her and give her some ability for involvement and SHE has chosen to not contribute positively any more. Just ignore her. Do not make any more attempts, as I think she is liking the extra attention that she gets from all of the movement to include her. She is in control of you guys because she refuses to pick up the mailing, therefore, you are still trying to figure out to reach her. I say "BAH" to her.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
Hey DonnaS - You're right, BAH to her but I'd still send the letter regular US post. She can deny she got it or not respond but the Board needs turnover of docs. and should just send the letter standard. If this thorn decides to speak again I'd make it quite clear that the Board has been willing, and is willing to interact in a healthy and professional manner but until such time as the assoc. documents are handed over, it is unfair to not cooperate when the Board has been so willing to cooperate.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Kim,
Does not your management company or Cam have any of the documents that you are looking for. My M.C. has copies of everything as backups.
KimB9 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
That's a whole other story. Apparently, one of the past CAMs stopped working totally for our HOA. Stopped paying bills, stopped renewing policies, and "lost" all of our paperwork. We were wondering if they wanted to be "let go" because of our toxic princess. Our current CAM is still sorting out and wading through their mess.

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