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RalphB5 (Florida)
Posts: 26
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In Florida, if the association's board of a H.O.A. that operates unde rFl. Stat. 720 Home owners Association submits a fraudulent insurance claim to the association's insurance carrier, that claims damage to a perimeter fence due to hurricane wind damage that incurred after wind damage was added to the insurance policy when the policy was renewed the following year after the actual hurricane damage occured. The actual damage,( verifiable by official records of the associatiion board minutes etc) occured in 2022 and the insurance claim submitted 2024 stated 2024 was when the damage occured. The insurance company recently sent a check for the damage incurred based on the insurance company's adjusting firm's based on what he was told by an association director when the inspector inspected the damage claims. The reimbursement check from the insurance company was for more than $20,000 but less than $100,000 which is a grade 2 felony per Fl. Statutes. Besides, in all probility of having to pay the insurer back the amount they paid for the damages that they were under the impression was a correct insurance claim submitted by the association, what if any other penalalties would the association members be liable for and what part of the monies due back to the insurer, if any, would the directors who submitted the fraudulent claim be responsible for?
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By RalphB5 on 07/02/2025 4:56 PM

In Florida, if the association's board of a H.O.A. that operates unde rFl. Stat. 720 Home owners Association submits a fraudulent insurance claim to the association's insurance carrier, that claims damage to a perimeter fence due to hurricane wind damage that incurred after wind damage was added to the insurance policy when the policy was renewed the following year after the actual hurricane damage occured. The actual damage,( verifiable by official records of the associatiion board minutes etc) occured in 2022 and the insurance claim submitted 2024 stated 2024 was when the damage occured. The insurance company recently sent a check for the damage incurred based on the insurance company's adjusting firm's based on what he was told by an association director when the inspector inspected the damage claims. The reimbursement check from the insurance company was for more than $20,000 but less than $100,000 which is a grade 2 felony per Fl. Statutes. Besides, in all probility of having to pay the insurer back the amount they paid for the damages that they were under the impression was a correct insurance claim submitted by the association, what if any other penalalties would the association members be liable for and what part of the monies due back to the insurer, if any, would the directors who submitted the fraudulent claim be responsible for?

Honestly, if this allegation is true, I am a bit surprised the insurance adjuster did not take into account the dates of weather events that could have caused this damage before approving the claim.

If this issue is brought to the attention of the insurance company, they could immediately cancel the HOA’s insurance, demand repayment including a law suit to recover and submit the allegation to law enforcement for prosecution. The individual owners would not have any individual liability.

A person who was reckless in their allegations, and what they believed occurred was not factual, could held accountable for damages. That might include a lawsuit from the HOA and another from the individual board members. In other words, whoever believes this occurred had better be certain of all the facts before getting involved.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Uh, Ralph, you might want to break up your sentences into paragraphs next time - this was hard to read.

As for your questions, they are legal with a capital L, so this needs to be discussed with an attorney. According to Google, a grade 2 penalty can result in a prison term up to 15 years and a fine up to $10K, but the sentence can be based on other factors. There may also be more than one charge, like mail or wire fraud. And paying back the money received won't be enough - the insurance company could also sue for court costs and attorneys fees, so that amount could exceed $20k.

As for the association members, the association itself is a legal entity, so people won't be sued individually, but could be hit with a nasty special assessment to pay the fines and penalties levied against it. I hope your association master policy has directors and officers coverage and that it's enough to cover what these people did. If not, you may have to add that money to the special assessment the homeowners may have to pay.

And you do know the association will likely lose its coverage and insurance companies are already saying byebye to the state because of hurricanes and poor practices regarding reserves, right? Then what will the community do?

Sorry, but you're way beyond what anyone can suggest on this website or anywhere else on the internet. Besides, most of us aren't lawyers, haven't seen your policy or have the details on who did what. I hope you weren't on the board that pulled this stunt.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By RalphB5 on 07/02/2025 4:56 PM
what if any other penalalties would the association members be liable for
Likely non-renewal of insurance and an extraordinarily difficult time finding a new insurer.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By ElleN on 07/02/2025 6:38 PM
Posted By RalphB5 on 07/02/2025 4:56 PM
what if any other penalalties would the association members be liable for
Likely non-renewal of insurance and an extraordinarily difficult time finding a new insurer.

And if you do find an insurer, it will cost a bundle. Therefore, higher assessments would be needed to pay for it.
JackS20 (North Carolina)
Posts: 271
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DANG so if the OP does the right THING and reports IT, the HOA will get STUCK with HIGHER bills and a bad REPUTATION.
However if it is NOT Reported, THEN YOU let CORRUPT board MEMBERS possible do MORE bad STUFF down the ROAD.

I SAY report it, good LUCK!
RalphB5 (Florida)
Posts: 26
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Thanks to all, Thank heaven Iam not on the board. Was very intrumental in making our community gatede 30+ years ago and am abpout a handful who were involved 30 yrs ago lleft. I am basically endorsed to be the watchdog. More and more wishing i WAS NOT INVOLVED 30 YEARS AGO. aGAIN THANKS TO ALL.

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