Our pool issue

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

Posted:

Right after our pool reopened we had a melee that involved punches and the police.

I tried to get the police report, the property manager and their assistant tried, no dice.
I said let's get the HOA lawyer to get it, That too was shot down.

Then we received a letter from the county about an illegal STR in our community, I am
starting to do the math, and of course because of privacy issues, the STR company will not disclose
anything but the "hosts" name. The Str company did de-list the property from their site.

I need some ideas to get the PM and 2 other board members to agree to get the police report.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964

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There are no magic words - you need to figure out what you want the association to do once they get the report and make your case. If they agree, fine, but if they don't, you may need to accept that. It may come up again in the coming weeks, so be patient.

Now, why do you want the report? If it's a police matter, why not stay out of it and let that process take its course? Some police reports are available to the public, although some information like SSNs are redacted. Call the non emergency number and ask.

If there was property damage to the pool area, the report could be a guide to finding out who was responsible and then all of them could be contacted to demand reimbursement of repair and replacement expenses. Do some combatants have a recent history of mayhem at the pool or other parts of the common area? It may be time to suspend access for part or the remainder of the season. That could be your argument, so decide what you'd like to see happen, do your research and good luck.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062

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You don't need the police report.

If a short term rental was involved, and it sounds like you know the address of the rental, and str's are not allowed per your governing documents, you go after the owner for any damage.

If your attorney could not obtain a copy of the police report, then it won't matter what your PM or other board members want. You are likely not getting a copy because you were not one of the parties involved in the report. If your insurance company becomes involved, they might be able to obtain a copy of the report but will likely not provide you with a copy of it.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

Posted:

Well, I't taking the letter from the county as divine intervention. STR's are not directly banned in our governing documents.
Our GD says all rentals must be a minimum of 6 months. The county bans STR's unless you have a license, registered and must not
be with other STR's. The county law prohibits str's in HOA's unless the HOA directly allows them.

Win Win

JeffP14 (Colorado)
Posts: 13

Posted:

Isn't a 6 month minimum NOT a STR?

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

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Quote:

Posted By JeffP14 on 06/26/2025 1:39 PM
Isn't a 6 month minimum NOT a STR?

No STR is considered less than 30 days. There are situations where corporate rentals for work where a rental may be necessary
for six months or less.

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786

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Quote:

Posted By LetA on 06/25/2025 5:32 PM
Right after our pool reopened we had a melee that involved punches and the police.

I tried to get the police report, the property manager and their assistant tried, no dice.
I said let's get the HOA lawyer to get it, That too was shot down.

Then we received a letter from the county about an illegal STR in our community, I am
starting to do the math, and of course because of privacy issues, the STR company will not disclose
anything but the "hosts" name. The Str company did de-list the property from their site.

I need some ideas to get the PM and 2 other board members to agree to get the police report.

Your post is a bit confusing. .

A police report for an incident not under active investigation is public record. Go get a copy if you want it.

JeffP14 (Colorado)
Posts: 13

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Quote:

Posted By LetA on 06/26/2025 7:37 PM

Posted By JeffP14 on 06/26/2025 1:39 PM
Isn't a 6 month minimum NOT a STR?

No STR is considered less than 30 days. There are situations where corporate rentals for work where a rental may be necessary
for six months or less.

Right, so STRs ARE explicitly banned in your GD.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

Posted:

Police refuse to give us the report, their answer, we are not the victim.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964

Posted:

Was the victim a resident? If so, why don't you ask him or her or them what happened?

But first, go to the board with your concerns and see if they're planning to take action - don't be the lone ranger on this, otherwise you might do something that opens the association to more liability.

Right now, I'm not sure if you want the report out of curiosity or are concerned about damage, the potential for more drama in case the victims or attackers are looking for payback or something else. If you can't figure that out you won't convince the board to do anything regardless of any suggestions you might get here. You may be better off focusing on the short term rental issue for now.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

Posted:

I am the board President and the victim is one of the "guest" of the illegal STR.
The other two board members don't seem interested in doing anything. in the spirit of
Samuel L Jackson #uck it

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,338

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Quote:

Posted By LetA on 06/25/2025 5:32 PM
I need some ideas to get the PM and 2 other board members to agree to get the police report.

It seems clear to me that you are in a state where police reports are not public record. Here the reports are not going to be available to you, the board, the PM, the HOA et cetera.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062

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Other than upset members who may have been at the pool when the fight broke out, was there any damages to the pool area?

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

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Tim Luckily no, Just a deep cleaning and bio haz cleanup from some blood assuming from the fight.

We can get the police report, it's just going to be a little game of dodge ball.

Don't worry Myiagi have Judge friend and friend with lawyer that likes to annoy those that hold the power.
I just don't want to pull the GOOJF card yet.

BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 973

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Quote:

Posted By LetA on 06/25/2025 5:32 PM
Right after our pool reopened we had a melee that involved punches and the police.

I tried to get the police report, the property manager and their assistant tried, no dice.
I said let's get the HOA lawyer to get it, That too was shot down.

Then we received a letter from the county about an illegal STR in our community, I am
starting to do the math, and of course because of privacy issues, the STR company will not disclose
anything but the "hosts" name. The Str company did de-list the property from their site.

I need some ideas to get the PM and 2 other board members to agree to get the police report.

I don't know specifically where you live, but Las Vegas seems to have a setup similar to here in Austin, where you simply submit a Public Records / FOIA request:

https://www.lvmpd.com/i-want-to/file/public-records

I've done this more than once here in Austin. The only time I had to pay $$$ was when I requested police cam video. My only caution is that it is not a speedy process.

(FWIW, it was an extremely worthwhile exercise: my wife's co-worker's boyfriend got assaulted, and so I heard story after story about how worthless APD was in working the case. I think it took 60+ days to get the report - and when it arrived it was a bit more than 100 pages long and a shining example of professional and outstanding police work. If nothing else, it opened my eyes to how much work goes into an investigation)(on the downside, it seriously eroded my already thin faith in basic human honesty).

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,338

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Posted By BillD16 on 06/30/2025 1:55 PM

I don't know specifically where you live, but Las Vegas seems to have a setup similar to here in Austin, where you simply submit a Public Records / FOIA request:

https://www.lvmpd.com/i-want-to/file/public-records

If LetA is in Las Vegas, then it appears only those involved with what is in the report can get a copy. See https://www.lvmpd.com/about/bureaus/records-and-fingerprint-bureau/requesting-report-copies-with-lvmpd . Excerpt:

Documentation Required to Receive a Copy of Your Requested Report
.
.
.
If you are picking up the report for a friend or family member:
-- Completed, signed, notarized Authorization Form
-- A photocopy of valid, current Identification, such as a Driver's License, of the friend or family member.

If you are an Attorney requesting a report copy on behalf of a client:
-- Signed, notarized Letter of Authorization on Attorney/Law Firm letterhead
-- Include clients full name and date of birth

LVMPD will only release eligible reports based on the case status and involvement of the person requesting the report. It is the policy of LVMPD to ensure the proper redaction of all documents prior to being released in accordance with Nevada Revised Statutes.

BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 973

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Quote:

Posted By ElleN on 06/30/2025 2:57 PM

Posted By BillD16 on 06/30/2025 1:55 PM

I don't know specifically where you live, but Las Vegas seems to have a setup similar to here in Austin, where you simply submit a Public Records / FOIA request:

https://www.lvmpd.com/i-want-to/file/public-records

If LetA is in Las Vegas, then it appears only those involved with what is in the report can get a copy. See https://www.lvmpd.com/about/bureaus/records-and-fingerprint-bureau/requesting-report-copies-with-lvmpd . Excerpt:

Documentation Required to Receive a Copy of Your Requested Report
.
.
.
If you are picking up the report for a friend or family member:
-- Completed, signed, notarized Authorization Form
-- A photocopy of valid, current Identification, such as a Driver's License, of the friend or family member.

If you are an Attorney requesting a report copy on behalf of a client:
-- Signed, notarized Letter of Authorization on Attorney/Law Firm letterhead
-- Include clients full name and date of birth

LVMPD will only release eligible reports based on the case status and involvement of the person requesting the report. It is the policy of LVMPD to ensure the proper redaction of all documents prior to being released in accordance with Nevada Revised Statutes.

Could be. I won't argue it. The wording on those pages is very strange.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

Posted:

Ellen & Bill it's still the GOBC good ole boys club. The news media can get an unredacted report in a finger snap, but
people pertinent to the situation can't. That's a load of BUNK.

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786

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Quote:

Posted By LetA on 06/27/2025 6:17 AM
Police refuse to give us the report, their answer, we are not the victim.

Nevada's Public Records Law was enacted to ensure that police records are available to the public, unless specifically deemed to be confidential. A public record is a record that is prepared, used, or maintained by any law enforcement agency in the course of performing a law enforcement function.

Go up the food chain in your local police dept until someone honors your request. If that doesn’t work, make a formal complaint to your local govt against the chief of the agency.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,338

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Quote:

Posted By DeanJ on 07/01/2025 11:31 PM
Nevada's Public Records Law was enacted to ensure that police records are available to the public, unless specifically deemed to be confidential. A public record is a record that is prepared, used, or maintained by any law enforcement agency in the course of performing a law enforcement function.

The above is a direct quote, without attribution, from https://www.lvmpd.com/i-want-to/file/public-records

Obviously in Nevada police reports are confidential and available only to those directly involved or their appointed representatives.

MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414

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I don't know how much the police report will make a difference. I do agree you should let the lawyer try to obtain it if you think it will make a difference.

The other parties don't want to pursue this issue any further and it sounds like it would be a real challenge to change their minds.