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MarqA1 (Michigan)
Posts: 24
Posted:
10 years ago I brought up the topic to the Board regarding a HOA study, crickets!

One guy even said he wasn't interested in anything that would raise the fees because he probably would not be living here much longer!

It's taken me the 10 years to finally get every one of those &#$^&*, sorry neighbors, off the board with a decent group that will hopefully support this activity.

So my question, I see a lot of ads but typ who are the companies that do this, I would think we would want someone local, most of the ads take me to businesses in CA, we are MI.

And in general, what do these tend to cost compared to complexity?

Ours is a simple HOA, our only elements are the roads, the storm drains, the lighting system, and mailbox/posts/street lamp posts. No clubhouse/pool/park elements!
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Marq.
The first thing you mentioned in the most expensive. It is hard for us to give you solid advice with such limited data.

How large is your HOA/COA?

What type of roads do you have? Blacktop Oyster shells or just dirt?

Does your board have a reserve account already setup and in place that has funds in it?

Reserve Studies range from $1000 to $5000 and should be done at a minimum every 3 years. In your cases with no amenities yours should be on the lower side IMO.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
Posted:
Please read the Michigan State law on Reserve Studies.....MCL 559.205 This law will give you a good starting point.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Expanding on what Mark and Michael said:

Your Google search may have pulled up out of state reserve study specialists, but that doesn't mean they don't have local people - call and ask them. If you have a property manager, he or she may also know of a few people.

It sounds like your community is new to reserve studies, so you'll want someone who's willing to take the time to explain what they are, how they're prepared, the information you'll receive and how to use it 8n preparing budgets. Since you have hew board members, you may want to check out the CAI website and look at their educational materials on a variety of HOA topics, including reserves. They're not expensive and there may be on demand webinars all of you can watch.

The educational materials can give you a general idea of what youll need, but you should get at least three estimates. I understand about costs, but it's best to get as much as possible the first time around so you can build from there. Of course, you'll need to ask for references and check them - HOAs in your area may also have suggestions for vendors.

Once the study is done, you should hold a special homeowners meeting where everyone can hear about the findings from the specialist and ask questions. That could take pressure off the board because people will see this is ultimately about ensuring the community is maintained properly, and that can control costs in the long run. Good luck!


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MichaelS56 on 05/18/2025 5:51 AM
Please read the Michigan State law on Reserve Studies.....MCL 559.205 This law will give you a good starting point.
How do you know the OP lives in a condominium association?

If the OP does not live in a condominium association, then statutes do not require a reserve study.

MarqA1, I advise contacting the companies that come up with this search and seeing what they charge:

https://www.google.com/search?q=reserve+study+companies+michigan
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
MarqA,

The first thing to be done is properly identify what elements are to be included in a reserve study.

Don't forget the little things: Mailboxes, signage, playgrounds, sidewalks, etc.

We did our first reserve study ourselves. It wasn't great but it was darn good and better than nothing.
We utilized historical data within the Association and most companies were willing to assist with ballpark pricing (cost to mill & pave road, seal coat, painting of curbs, etc.).

We updated that for five years and then hired a reserve specialist to do our next one.

Simply do an internet search and ask for a quote.
I've attached a copy of the sanitized request for quote of my last association.
Hopefully, it will help.

If you want additional resources, contact me [email protected] (they are too large of files to attach).
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KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
As an active Board member for 14 years in a very complicated HOA high rise (190 reserve components), I have direct experience with 3 reserves specialists (RS). All are CAI (see long-time board member Sheilas' post) certified. The first two were OK, but our Board contracted with a 3rd whom we now have had for maybe 8 years. He is a certified RS with a respected national firm.

CA requires an onsite reserve analyst vist every 3 years, and an update every year thereafter. The specialist places on the updated study, comments that have been replaced and "resets" their estimate remaining lifespan. For this update, the specialist will speak with your HOA's engineer (in our case) or community manager, or Board member who's been assigned, perhaps to keep track of your reserves, perhaps your treasurer. Our Board purchased a package deal for three years of such.

Congrats, Marg, for being able to now sit on a reasonable Board, as you can see, it makes all the difference!

With Mark, also a longtime experienced Board member who's likely been involved in reserves studies for two different HOAs, I'd agree that $1,000 is a reasonable estimate for your first study (if you have, in fact, named all your HOA's reserve components.). Complexity does matter and your HOA is fairly straightforward. Your RS will have easy access to data about all of the roads of your type in your area and their estimated lifespans . This takes into account local weather and other variables.

In my I experience, an RS will viist your HOA, accompanied by your appropriate board or staff, and, give you a sold estimate at no cost. They want your business!

I disagree with a DIY approach for your first study -- I argue that you want a pro's baseline study for starters.

MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Kerry,
Great post and I agree with you. Marq you do not know what you have not learned about. A reserve analyst with see things you or your board has never considered and if a surprise is uncovered a professional told you verses your board members trying to tell your community what they may not want to hear. This could mean a dues increase is needed our must be done asap. If it turns out to be good news that will be a relief. Many smaller HOAs have boards that keep their eyes closed and hope it doesn't happen on their watch. This is not a plan.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Ao, Marg, relying to Mark's earlier questions will help us, maybe, respond further.

If, in fact you have no reserves account into which your HOA has been contributing, your dues will increase. Maybe not too badly, as depending on a lot, your roads may last a looong time before they need actual replacement. storm drains??? May have a very long life span. Prior to 2023, they may not have e even been included in a study if they expected life is more than, say, 40 years. But, the new 2023 Reserves Standards, that your can find on the CAI site now, I believe wants studios to list ALL event their estimated life is, say 80 years. Contributions must start ASAP.

To another of Shelia's points, a Town Hall meeting with owners where the RS presents the basics of what reserves ARE, and then narrows in on your particular study will go a long way in educating owners for the need to fund your reserves.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
AND....all 3 of the different RS's we've had hold
Town Halls, non charged any fee.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkM19 on 05/18/2025 5:48 AM
Marq.
The first thing you mentioned in the most expensive. It is hard for us to give you solid advice with such limited data.

How large is your HOA/COA?

What type of roads do you have? Blacktop Oyster shells or just dirt?

Does your board have a reserve account already setup and in place that has funds in it?

Reserve Studies range from $1000 to $5000 and should be done at a minimum every 3 years. In your cases with no amenities yours should be on the lower side IMO.

Oyster shell roads in Michigan?
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Dean,
Sorry I am from the South.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Right. But one vote per lot.
So if an owner voted, sold and the new owner votes the vote from the new owner is the one counted (not the earlier owners vote)
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Kerry said "CA requires an onsite reserve analyst vist every 3 years, and an update every year thereafter. The specialist places on the updated study, comments that have been replaced and "resets" their estimate remaining lifespan. For this update, the specialist will speak with your HOA's engineer (in our case) or community manager, or Board member who's been assigned, perhaps to keep track of your reserves, perhaps your treasurer. Our Board purchased a package deal for three years of such."

No, California does not require an onsite "reserve analyst." California requires a reserve study every three years with a reasonably diligent physical inspection. This can be done by board members/association members with assistance from anyone they wish to hire like a paving contractor or accountant. The study is not required to be done by a reserve analyst. Our last board hired a reserve analyst with offices nationwide and they did a terrible job. It's a racket.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TerriS6 on 05/21/2025 7:17 AM
Our last board hired a reserve analyst with offices nationwide and they did a terrible job. It's a racket.
In my experience, the only time a reserve study has been bad is when the board does not collaborate with the reserve company to make sure estimated remaining life and estimated replacement costs is agreeable to all.

A "tell": A HOA director says the three year old reserve study is worthless because the cost of replacing (very expensive) xyz was wrong. Obviously the board did not study the draft the reserve study company provided when the study was created.

Otherwise, reserve studies are cookbook.

I respectfully disagree reserve study companies are a racket. Call lawyers a racket. Call association management companies a racket. But what reserve companies do is cut and dried and done in consultation with the board.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 05/21/2025 8:13 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 05/21/2025 7:17 AM
Our last board hired a reserve analyst with offices nationwide and they did a terrible job. It's a racket.


In my experience, the only time a reserve study has been bad is when the board does not collaborate with the reserve company to make sure estimated remaining life and estimated replacement costs is agreeable to all.

A reserve study without consulting a reserve specialist does not make a bad study.

There is a ton of information available about reserve studies compared to 20 years ago and someone who takes the time, does their research and talks with contractors can develop a fairly good study. It may be an incomplete and/or inaccurate study.

However, any reserve study is better than no reserve study.

NOTE: If you have a lot of common elements, live in a condominium development or own buildings, it is best to consult with a specialist. It might be a reserve specialist or a structural engineer.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 05/21/2025 8:51 AM
Posted By ElleN on 05/21/2025 8:13 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 05/21/2025 7:17 AM
Our last board hired a reserve analyst with offices nationwide and they did a terrible job. It's a racket.


In my experience, the only time a reserve study has been bad is when the board does not collaborate with the reserve company to make sure estimated remaining life and estimated replacement costs is agreeable to all.


A reserve study without consulting a reserve specialist does not make a bad study.
I agree.

I was responding specifically to TerriS6's post that referred specifically to (paid) reserve specialists.

I do think the number of HOA directors capable of understanding reserve studies, never mind preparing one, tends towards the low side. It is an applied math topic. This country's math skills tend to be poor.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
The point is California does not require a reserve analyst to do the study.
MarqA1 (Michigan)
Posts: 24
Posted:
"There is a ton of information available about reserve studies compared to 20 years ago and someone who takes the time, does their research and talks with contractors can develop a fairly good study. It may be an incomplete and/or inaccurate study."

Our HOA owns:

1 mile of paved roads
Various storm sewer spurs
A lighting system with 6 street lights
9 mailbox posts

I doubt the storm sewers themself will ever need to be replaced but we do have a drain easement that has filled in after 20 years that we need to clean out - easy cost analysis
Mailboxes, easy $400 each
Lighting, other than a post that gets run down no replacement cost, enough neighbors don't like the lights, we'll just turn them off.
Roads, we have ongoing maintenance for crack repair but some day, probably in 20 years, we may need to do some patching, this is the only item that I am unsure of!

I think with some research I can come up with a "reasonable" analysis to supplement a professional analysis!
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Yes, Marg, your HOA's reserves components and few and non-somplkext. You should be abet to do your own study.

Yes,Terri, true. CA doesn't require any kind of credentialed person to craft a reserve study. I don't know why her HOA hired a "reserves analyst* when they only have roads as a reserve component.

Calif also requires a follow up study every year. Generally. this is just an update: what component has been repaired or replaced this year, the brand name, etc. of the, let's say, new replacement nd th provider resets the estimated remaining life & cost to replace.

Occasionally, as is happening right now to my HOA, an agency with a authority, say, the "state," declares tha all window washing equipment for high rises on their roofs must have certain new safety features. UT.... these new features do not "fit"our 23 y.o.Spider equipment so it must be entirely replaced at considerable cost **. Meanwhile, our windows haven't been washed in over year. Can you hear residents' shrieks ???? Beautiful Bay & ocean views a huge smudge.

Structual engineers aren't ' used for the reserve studies of high rises in my HOA or surrounding ones.** Most components are the same as in SFH HOAs: roofs, walking paths, fencing, exterior lighting,. Stepping up a notch: yes,pools, gyms, party rooms or clubhouses with kitchen. The big difference is the very large number of mechanical components,: pumps, motors fire suppression generator, sump pump; many valves, elevators; 30 interior common area Heat pumps (HVAC ), etc. .

The study provider reads the HOA's Maintenance Manual, which tells them the estimated life and the frequencies and ways in which preventative maitenance (PM) must be done to keep the component in top condition. Th provider often contacts the man. rep. to learn if any changes have occurred the require the HOA to update the component. An HOA staffer, vendor or board member keep a log about frequeny & work done on X, which provider reviews. If NOY maintained proper the pride WILL note that in thier remarks ao that comment an advice better maintenance or even replacement is there's no record of correct care.

So..... it's' way more the a"math."

The BEST resource about reserve studies, is of course, CAI's (calionline.org?) 2023 Reserves Standards prepared by experts in the field, i.e, RS' and some PEs. Sorry I don't have a better citation for readers.

In a nutshell, the more complex an HOA's common area items that are required to be in a study, the more likely the HOA should hire a certified RS.

* I. believe" there is a designation "reserves analyst " but I know nothing about them.
**Various parts of it had been replaced over these years
*** In response to Surfside, CAlif. now requires professional inspection of "elevators structures" state ing, I think, in '23(?) n done ev very 9 years. that contain wood, e.g., balconies, walls ways. stairwells. I imagine a sub set of structure engineers or similar have emerged who only do this type of inspection. Our and nearby high rise are all concrete & step, so I don't know muc about the new requirement.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Kerry wrote: Yes,Terri, true. CA doesn't require any kind of credentialed person to craft a reserve study. I don't know why her HOA hired a "reserves analyst* when they only have roads as a reserve component.

Because the president think the attorney who made the recommendation walks on water.

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