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AlexT3 (Texas)
Posts: 4
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My HOA (in Texas) is conducting a membership vote for an amendment to the Declaration. The Declaration requires a supermajority to amend (2/3 of total members). The vote is via electronic and absentee ballots and does not take place at a membership meeting. The voting time period is somewhat indefinite and will only end once 2/3 votes FOR or 1/3 votes AGAINST are received. There seem to be numerous procedural errors with this approach (bylaws require voting at a meeting, bylaws only allow in person or proxy voting, and absentee and electronic voting is not specifically allowed by the bylaws).

The board has been periodically releasing preliminary voting results (i.e. 100 votes FOR, 20 votes AGAINST). Notwithstanding all of the other procedural issues, can the board release the preliminary voting results? This seems counter to the way voting is done in a democratic society. Is there precedence in other elections where the results are tabulated and released while voting is still ongoing?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You'll need to check your documents, but I suspect this isn't addressed. As a practical matter, it doesn't make sense because it looks like they're trying to swing the vote one way or another.

People might see folks are in favor (so far) and think "good, I don't have to cast a vote because this looks like a done deal." Or "I don't like the way this is going, so there's no point in me voting because it won't make a difference anyhow."

It's ok to say "we have X percent of homeowners who've voted, but we need another Y number of you to cast a vote one way or another by Z deadline." This doesn't say how the vote is leaning, and I wouldn't disclose that until the required percentage has been received. If you want the thing to pass or not, get off your duff and vote. Encourage your neighbors to do the same.

You don't need EVERY HOA issue to be addressed in the documents - sometimes all you need to do is use your common sense. Now, the question becomes what do you do about it? Go to the next board meeting and express your concerns. Bring up the other irregularities and ask how they're being addressed so everyone can be assured of the integrity of the vote.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,336
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Posted By AlexT3 on 05/16/2025 5:48 AM
My HOA (in Texas) is conducting a membership vote for an amendment to the Declaration. The Declaration requires a supermajority to amend (2/3 of total members). The vote is via electronic and absentee ballots and does not take place at a membership meeting. The voting time period is somewhat indefinite and will only end once 2/3 votes FOR or 1/3 votes AGAINST are received. There seem to be numerous procedural errors with this approach (bylaws require voting at a meeting, bylaws only allow in person or proxy voting, and absentee and electronic voting is not specifically allowed by the bylaws).
By my reading, TPC 209.00592 now allows a Texas HOA to have votes exclusively by absentee ballot. See https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PR/htm/PR.209.htm. Please read this statute section and tell me if you agree or disagree.

While this hypothetical vote is proceeding, the board needs to consider how many owners voted but have sold their homes and moved. The votes of these owners need to be discarded.

Increasingly HOAs are doing exactly as this HOA is doing. Other than the caveat about owners moving, I do not see any illegalities.
AlexT3 (Texas)
Posts: 4
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Hypothetically, I agree that votes can be cast exclusively by absentee ballot. 209.00592 requires that an owner be allowed to vote by absentee ballot OR proxy...and an HOA is not required to make more than one voting method available. However, in the case of my HOA, the bylaws only allow voting in person or by proxy. Since one of those methods is by proxy, the 209.00592 requirement is met. Additional voting methods CAN be allowed but are not required and would have to be specifically authorized by the bylaws (Texas BOC 22.160d). This was recently covered by the Texas Court of Appeals in Rockwall Ranch Property Owners Association vs Gonzales Et al.

I'm more curious about the act of releasing preliminary voting results while the vote is ongoing.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,336
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I see no statute being violated by releasing the progression of voting as absentee voting goes on. Nor do I see any violation of fiduciary duty.
CulianM (Florida)
Posts: 6
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To me its unacceptable to publish sided numbers. They should call out the the number need to reach the supermajority. "We still need 52 votes to reach supermajority" come out and vote!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Just remember that every time a home is sold, one must check to see if a vote had been cast, remove that vote and allow the new member to vote.

OR

You have a deadline (voting must be in by mm/dd/yyyy)
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Note: although I don't agree with it, it appears that there is nothing in TX law that I could find which would prevent votes from being counted prior to the polls closing.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,336
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I am changing my previous answer, or at least elaborating on it. For what it is worth:

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Posted By AlexT3 on 05/16/2025 9:29 AM
Hypothetically, I agree that votes can be cast exclusively by absentee ballot.
I disagree. Whether votes can be cast exclusively by absentee ballot depends on a HOA's bylaws.

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Posted By AlexT3 on 05/16/2025 9:29 AM
209.00592 [ElleN edit: a-1] requires that an owner be allowed to vote by absentee ballot OR proxy...and an HOA is not required to make more than one voting method available.
I agree.

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Posted By AlexT3 on 05/16/2025 9:29 AM
However, in the case of my HOA, the bylaws only allow voting in person or by proxy. Since one of those methods is by proxy, the 209.00592 [a-1] requirement is met.
I agree.

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Posted By AlexT3 on 05/16/2025 9:29 AM
Additional voting methods CAN be allowed but are not required and would have to be specifically authorized by the bylaws (Texas BOC 22.160d). This was recently covered by the Texas Court of Appeals in Rockwall Ranch Property Owners Association vs Gonzales Et al.
Yes, I buy this. Though I am keeping in mind that if there is a conflict between TPC 209 and BO 22, TPC 209 would control here. Not that there is a conflict. I am just trying to get things down that might be relevant here.

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Posted By AlexT3 on 05/16/2025 9:29 AM
I'm more curious about the act of releasing preliminary voting results while the vote is ongoing.
If using the reasoning in the Rockwall POA Memorandum Opinion (specifically the first paragraph on page 8), then I now think that absentee voting is in fact not allowed in this case.

The caveat is that Memorandum Opinions like this are not binding in any case except the Rockwall one.

I am not quite convinced that the Rockwall memorandum opinion got things right. But I would like to set my doubt aside for now and go with the reasoning in the memorandum opinion. Because the latter is what you could use to argue that absentee voting is not allowed.

Your first post seems to say absentee voting is in fact not allowed under the bylaws and statute. I now agree.

Communicating via this medium is difficult. Tell me where you are at, and if you wish, I will respond further.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,336
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I attach the Rockwall Memorandum Opinion.
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DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By CulianM on 05/16/2025 1:58 PM
To me its unacceptable to publish sided numbers. They should call out the the number need to reach the supermajority. "We still need 52 votes to reach supermajority" come out and vote!

Or YOU still have the opportunity to end this by casting a no vote.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Elle & Tim seem to be mistaken when they assert that the ballots of owners who sell before the ballots are counted must be discarded/thrown out.

HOAs must establish a "record date," which is a date by which someone must be an owner of record in order to vote. In my HOA, the board sets a date a couple of weeks before the membership meeting when ballots are tabulated.

This means that someone may vote even if they no longer are owners at the election meeting.. It also means news owners may not vote unless they became members before the "record date."

At our election to restate the CC&Rs, our board acted as Cullian suggests-- heavily promoting voting -- even offering prizes -towards the end of the voting period --once a week to new voters to try to reach our supermajority. Since ballots are secret in CA, there'd be no way to say HOW the vote is going prior to when the votes are tabulated.

I'm feeling like I don't like opening & counting in advance even if TX permits it-- too often humans vote for the seeming "winner" so I think revealing who or what is winning shapes the outcome. Yes, flimsy, I know, but that's how I'm seeing it.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Kerry,

The OP said that there was no end date. What if it takes 5 years to get enough signatures and there were 100 homes sold during that time.

I agree that if there was a set date for the polls to close, then the record date for who can vote would be valid.
Otherwise, in the example above, in those 5 years you would be amending the covenants and not allowing 100 lots have a say in it.

AlexT3 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Texas BOC 22.163 provides guidance on setting the record date, but it’s a bit unclear how it works when there isn’t a meeting associated with the vote. In my case, the board sent notice about the vote but has not yet formally established a record date.

https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._bus._orgs._code_section_22.163
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Personally, I think your board is attempting an action without a meeting for the membership (as there was no meeting date set and no end date for the votes).

The TX code for NONPROFIT CORPORATIONS does not address action without a meeting (voting by written consent). It does address action without meetings for Directors and Committees. This can lead to an argument of Expressio unius est exclusio alterius OR in other words: "the expression of one thing is the exclusion of the other"

Now the TX business code for FOR-PROFIT CORPORATIONS does mention a ACTION BY LESS THAN UNANIMOUS WRITTEN CONSENT (technically not applicable to a corporation/HOA formed under the non-profit statutes) and it specifies:

Per that statute:

(b) Except as provided by this code, the certificate of formation of a filing entity may authorize the owners or members of the entity to take action without holding a meeting, providing prior notice, or taking a vote if owners or members of the entity having at least the minimum number of votes that would be necessary to take the action that is the subject of the consent at a meeting, in which each owner or member entitled to vote on the action is present and votes, sign a written consent or consents stating the action taken.

c) A written consent or consents described by Subsection (b) must include:

(1) the date each owner or member signed the consent; and

(2) the date of signing of the latest dated consent satisfying the minimum number of owners or members necessary to approve the action that is the subject of the consent.

(c-1) The date described by Subsection (c)(2) must be not later than the 60th day after the date of the signing of the earliest dated consent of the owners or members signing the consent or consents.

(c-2) By a provision in the written consent or consents . . . may be made to take effect at a future time, which must be not later than the 60th day after the date the last of the minimum number of owners or members necessary to sign the consent or consents as required by Subsection (b) have signed the consent or consents.

IN SUMMARY:

1) Per the non-profit act the Association may not have the members take action by written consent.

2) Per the for-profit act [likely not applicable, but if it was], the Association would have a total of 60 days to achieve the 400 votes starting from the earliest date on all of the written consents.

Therefore, in my opinion, I don't think the Association can even do what it is doing.
However, if they insist that they can (and I would seek a legal opinion), and they do not have a due date then every vote after the 60 day mark would require removing some votes and recast by the then current owner of the property.

Example: Day one you receive 5 written consents.
Day 60 your count is 1 vote short of passing.
Day 61 you receive a written consent dated on day 61
Unfortunately, the 5 written consents you received on Day one can no longer be counted and you are now 5 votes short.

Conclusion:

At best, the amendment might withstand a legal challenge if it had a 60 day due date.
At worst, the amendment would not withstand a legal challenge because the board exceeded it's authority in allowing written consents (vs voting at a meeting)

I would strongly recommend obtaining a written legal opinion.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,336
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Posted By TimB4 on 05/17/2025 2:24 PM

1) Per the non-profit act the Association may not have the members take action by written consent.
I either respectfully disagree with this; I feel it needs qualification; or I am

The Texas HOA yada Act TPC 209 says HOA membership can take action by written consent if certain other requirements are met. Under the rules of statutory construction, when one statute conflicts with another statute, the more apposite statute controls. Here TPC 209 is more apposite.

I am currently on the side of believing the OP's HOA cannot lawfully do what it is doing (vote by absentee ballot), because the bylaws combined with the aforementioned sections of TPC 209 say that voting by absentee ballot here is not allowed.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,336
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Posted By KerryL1 on 05/17/2025 9:54 AM

HOAs must establish a "record date," which is a date by which someone must be an owner of record in order to vote.
In Texas when the purpose of the vote is to obtain written consent to an action, not so.

BO 22.163 has some things to say about record date, but like the others, I have doubts that 22.163 applies to this particular situation.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Ah, thanks, all, for your corrrection of my record-date error.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Elle,

I did not look at TPC209
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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I did take a look at TPC-209.

I see where voting by mail is allowed.

I did not see anything to contradict the 60 day time frame.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,336
Posted:
>I did take a look at TPC-209.

I see where voting by mail is allowed.
If you read the court opinion I attached, and given that the OP's bylaws require voting in person or by proxy, you might come to a different conclusion?

The Court opinion either changed my mind or gives me pause.
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Posted By TimB4 on 05/18/2025 12:03 PM
I did not see anything to contradict the 60 day time frame.
For nonprofit corporations, all I see is BO 22.163 (b) (3) . Because of the latter's wording, I am not sure it applies.
AlexT3 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
After reading the language from BOC 22.105, the wording in 22.163(b)(3) is more clear to me now.

22.105 says:
“...the board of directors of the corporation must adopt a resolution specifying the proposed amendment and directing that the amendment be submitted to a vote...”
and
"The proposed amendment shall be adopted on receiving the vote required..."

22.163(b)(3) says:
“members at the close of business on the later of
the day the board of directors adopts the resolution relating to the action
or the 60th day before the date of the action
are entitled to exercise any rights regarding any other lawful action.”

So in this case, the “resolution” occurred when the board voted at a board meeting to send the proposed amendment out for a member vote.
The “action” will occur when the board either adopts or does not adopt the amendment depending on the results of the vote.

Therefore, in this case where the voting occurs over a long period of time, anyone who is a member on the day 60 days prior to the conclusion of the voting is allowed to vote...I think.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By AlexT3 on 05/20/2025 3:13 PM
After reading the language from BOC 22.105, the wording in 22.163(b)(3) is more clear to me now.

22.105 says:
“...the board of directors of the corporation must adopt a resolution specifying the proposed amendment and directing that the amendment be submitted to a vote...”
and
"The proposed amendment shall be adopted on receiving the vote required..."
No. Section 22.105 is about amending the corporation's certificate of formation. The certificate of formation is very very different from covenants (= the Declaration).

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