NoraM (Michigan)
Posts: 6
Posts: 6
Posted:
All,
I was referred to this site by our old CAM and my former HOA.
We recently moved to a new community. It is small, old and very outdated, and no management company. There are some 40 lots, around 8 homes but recently growing. It is 22 years old and the developer is the president. A majority of the lots were never for sale and now he is selling a few per year, and we have approvals for 6 new home builds this year.
I am retired and was elected VP. I am studying Roberts Rules and considering getting my CAM license. So I am very new to this but have been a resident in a large HOA for many years and assisted my elderly parents with their HOA. So I have been through, and seen some crazy stuff
We have elected a new board consisting of the developer/president, myself, a very sharp secretary and a treasurer from the legacy regime. We have a new Bylaws committee and an a new ACC committee. The bylaws committee act in an advisory capacity only and can recommend changes. The ACC committee has authority for approvals, but require the presidents approval as well. The former member of the ACC committee kind of ran things for several years, and interpreted the rules to favor his bias and was known to be intimidating, and a bully. He has stepped down.
There are many changes that we are discussing and it is baby steps for now.
We would like to make changes to the bylaws and CC&Rs and bring the community up to date. Example, is we have no cable or internet as the community is all private roads and it is cost prohibitive to run fiber. The declarations allow DSL and the only roof mount satellite service is Dish TV. Many of us have Starlink which works great. But there have been continuous threats of fines because it is not approved in the Declarations. note: these are 1.5 - 2 acre wooded lots and most homes are not visible from the road, but it is a legally binding document so I get that. My view is that rules that are enforced, only because they are enforceable, and do not add value to the community need to be changed.
My initial questions:
1. the governing documents. They are a mess. There is not a bylaws section and a declarations section. they overlap and sometimes are intermingled and mixed in the same sections.
They are original documents from 22 years ago. There are only a few hard copy documents around. The rest are very poorly scanned documents, that are missing complete sections. We can pay a service to OCR scan the originals to a Word doc, but they only guarantee 90% accuracy, so there would be post work and editing required. For much less cost, we can have a service re-create the document in Word, and I can generate a searchable PDF.
So first question, and I understand you are not legal counsel, but may have seen this before. if we re-created the docs, would that require legal review and re-registering with the county?
2. Voting
We have no website, or electronic voting system in place. The last attempted change was via snail mail and we suspect a reason our problem child stepped down. The integrity of the majority vote was suspect and there was no audit process. And back to question 1, addendums and amendments are easier if you have electronic files to work with and made accessible via a website.
I am all about electric voting and it is legally recognized on our state. It is easily audited and verified and can be integrated into a HOA website. We utilized it in our old community.
We used US postal service with my parents HOA. Its my understanding that the HOA's CPA did the audit for them. There were 3 choices if I recall. Yes, No, and Abstain. I questioned "abstain" and it was used to achieve a majority vote, so if it was not important to a member, you could abstain. I recall votes were sent registered mail.
is UP postal service still the most used form of voting today?? What are processes most used and example ballots?
So your feedback and experience is most welcome and valued
NM
I was referred to this site by our old CAM and my former HOA.
We recently moved to a new community. It is small, old and very outdated, and no management company. There are some 40 lots, around 8 homes but recently growing. It is 22 years old and the developer is the president. A majority of the lots were never for sale and now he is selling a few per year, and we have approvals for 6 new home builds this year.
I am retired and was elected VP. I am studying Roberts Rules and considering getting my CAM license. So I am very new to this but have been a resident in a large HOA for many years and assisted my elderly parents with their HOA. So I have been through, and seen some crazy stuff
We have elected a new board consisting of the developer/president, myself, a very sharp secretary and a treasurer from the legacy regime. We have a new Bylaws committee and an a new ACC committee. The bylaws committee act in an advisory capacity only and can recommend changes. The ACC committee has authority for approvals, but require the presidents approval as well. The former member of the ACC committee kind of ran things for several years, and interpreted the rules to favor his bias and was known to be intimidating, and a bully. He has stepped down.
There are many changes that we are discussing and it is baby steps for now.
We would like to make changes to the bylaws and CC&Rs and bring the community up to date. Example, is we have no cable or internet as the community is all private roads and it is cost prohibitive to run fiber. The declarations allow DSL and the only roof mount satellite service is Dish TV. Many of us have Starlink which works great. But there have been continuous threats of fines because it is not approved in the Declarations. note: these are 1.5 - 2 acre wooded lots and most homes are not visible from the road, but it is a legally binding document so I get that. My view is that rules that are enforced, only because they are enforceable, and do not add value to the community need to be changed.
My initial questions:
1. the governing documents. They are a mess. There is not a bylaws section and a declarations section. they overlap and sometimes are intermingled and mixed in the same sections.
They are original documents from 22 years ago. There are only a few hard copy documents around. The rest are very poorly scanned documents, that are missing complete sections. We can pay a service to OCR scan the originals to a Word doc, but they only guarantee 90% accuracy, so there would be post work and editing required. For much less cost, we can have a service re-create the document in Word, and I can generate a searchable PDF.
So first question, and I understand you are not legal counsel, but may have seen this before. if we re-created the docs, would that require legal review and re-registering with the county?
2. Voting
We have no website, or electronic voting system in place. The last attempted change was via snail mail and we suspect a reason our problem child stepped down. The integrity of the majority vote was suspect and there was no audit process. And back to question 1, addendums and amendments are easier if you have electronic files to work with and made accessible via a website.
I am all about electric voting and it is legally recognized on our state. It is easily audited and verified and can be integrated into a HOA website. We utilized it in our old community.
We used US postal service with my parents HOA. Its my understanding that the HOA's CPA did the audit for them. There were 3 choices if I recall. Yes, No, and Abstain. I questioned "abstain" and it was used to achieve a majority vote, so if it was not important to a member, you could abstain. I recall votes were sent registered mail.
is UP postal service still the most used form of voting today?? What are processes most used and example ballots?
So your feedback and experience is most welcome and valued
NM