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AnilB (Michigan)
Posts: 7
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Hello, we are a new community and have recently got our reserve study done and we were on track with the accounted expenses as part of the current list of items so far but our community roads are private and qualify for reserve budgeting which through the latest reserve study requires us to severely increase our allocation.

Wanted to check in and see what other communities with private roads are doing in this regard. Are they saving up for them through their reserves or is there another way to address the road replacement costs in the future. We are in MI and our road life is assessed to be around 18y including patch work and maintenance.

Thanks!
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
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Posted By AnilB on 04/26/2025 3:41 PM

Wanted to check in and see what other communities with private roads are doing in this regard. Are they saving up for them through their reserves
Absolutely.

In Michigan:

Repave in say 10 years? Expensive.

Replace after say 20 years? Way way expensive.

Consider budgeting for patch work and maintenance from the annual operating (and not reserve) budget.

The most important thing to remember: Reserve budgeting is even less an exact science than annual operational budgeting. But reserve budgeting as well as possible is still essential to ensure the financial health of the HOA.

MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
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We have private roads, and our road maintenance is out of the Replacement Reserve. Our next big issue is what to do with our private streetlights.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Add me to the list of communities that pay for road maintenance via the reserves.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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My last Association had private roads.
When we did our first reserve study, it required a 20% increase in assessments.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
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With private roads in a HOA who is responsible for the water and or sewer line replacement.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By MichaelS56 on 04/28/2025 4:56 AM
With private roads in a HOA who is responsible for the water and or sewer line replacement.

For us, the main line was still maintained by the water company.
They simply had easements throughout the development (same as other utilities)
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Yes, you have to budget for road maintenance, repair and replacement. If the roads are asphalt, that includes periodic sealing to maintain the longevity of the roads. If you have not some so, your HOA needs to evaluate the load bearing rating of the roads and take action to limit trucks over that rating. The weight trucks will be your first concern because they are on the roads 52 times a year.
AnilB (Michigan)
Posts: 7
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That is a very good point. We have not thought of that yet. Our roads cannot no through traffic as these are private roads that only circle through the community. We are also done with most of our construction work within the community but it would still be beneficial to add the weight sign for all vehicles entering the community. Thanks a lot for that tip!
AnilB (Michigan)
Posts: 7
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Hey Elle, we currently are using our operational budget for patch work and not touching reserves for it. But it is interesting to know that the roads in MI only have a 20 year life. That is a huge cost and we are trying to not shock the residents with it until we have done our full research.

Thank you for your input/feedback!
AnilB (Michigan)
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Interesting. Thank you for that!
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By AnilB on 04/28/2025 1:50 PM
Hey Elle, we currently are using our operational budget for patch work and not touching reserves for it. But it is interesting to know that the roads in MI only have a 20 year life.
Keep in mind that infrastructure life expectancy is one of the biggest guessing games around. It is so dependent on maintenance practices and weather and more.

I am not a Michigan Civil Engineer. They may have different guestimates. I bet they would call the 20 year life expectancy a crude number. They might adjust depending on whether the road is up north or near a Great Lake or whatever.

But best guesses about expected life are essential for sound financial health.

If I had my way every HOA would be required to update its reserve study annually and change the assessment appropriately.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Our certified reserves specialist, does take local weather and other local factors into his estimate of remaining useful life (RUL) of a reserve component.

Such a specialist often will have two line items for a component, "replacement," say 20 years for your roads, and "repair," by which I mean the "periodic sealing" that Dean notes. A local certified reserves specialist will know these based on their comparisons with other local HOA's roads they've included in a study's list.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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When you do your study, paving is based on square yards.

The cost varies with the price of oil.

Paving companies should be willing to tell you what their cost per square yard is for your community with a phone call.
This will give you a ball park.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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Everyone has given you great advice. We also use our reserve funds for the private roads. The best piece of advice I can give is when you are ready to replace the roads or think you are ready, hire a professional engineering firm to write the RFP and take core samples so you know the thickness of the current surface and what you need to replace. Once they write and put the RFP out for bid, they can evaluate the responses. They know what a reasonable price for asphalt is based on the current conditions, plus they usually have worked with all the vendors. Finally, they can supervise the installation.

A reserve item that is as expensive as roads should not be supervised by volunteers (unless they are engineers). It's a small expense compared to the issues that can happen if the resurfacing is done incorrectly.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
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The city engineer where our Association resides, gave us very good advice about roads and what some of the specs should be considered.
AnnS12 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 67
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We are in Wisconsin so have pretty much the same weather as Michigan. Our reserve study had a 40 year life for the roads. We are going on 25 years with our privately owned road. We budget each year as an expense for crack fill and repairs. Usually less than $2000.00. Our road is still in good condition. We anticipate it will be another 15 years before we will need to repave. We have increased our reserve contributions by quite a bit in the past 4 years.
at present time we contribute about 41% of dues to the reserves. We are in the process right now of replacing our roofs. Doing it over 5 years. Previous boards wanted to keep dues low and we've now gotten owners to understand this is not a good thing to do. At some point you are going to have to pay for the items in your reserve study and at least in our association they would rather pay more per month than get hit with a large special assessment. It took us 2-3 years to get the owners on board, but now that we are replacing the roofs they finally understand we have to have the money to pay for these items.
KerryL1 (California)
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Kudos AnnS! It takes a lot of persuasion to convince owners that the reserves contribution from the budget is crucial for the heath of your HOA.

For others, your certified reserves specialist will be happy--at not cost-- to do a Town Hall presentation with owners to explain the importance of healthy reserves
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Kudos AnnS! It takes a lot of persuasion to convince owners that the reserves contribution from the budget is crucial for the heath of your HOA.

For others, your certified reserves specialist will be happy--at not cost-- to do a Town Hall presentation with owners to explain the importance of healthy reserves
AnilB (Michigan)
Posts: 7
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Thanks a ton everyone for your feedback! It was very valuable and useful info for me to take back to my board and plan accordingly. You guys are the best!!!
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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In reality, your HOA would be repairing asphalt as those portions become depleted and likely would never 100% remove the private road in order to relay 100% new asphalt.

Nonetheless, you'll need to raise those dues and direct all the new revenue to Reserves. You, in fact, have discovered the paving dilemma VERY early in your HOA's life. Many communities don't realize this component is often missing from the reserve financial planning until it's time to replace the asphalt.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Our reserve study company used a fully funded plan which in my opinion is the wrong route when you only have roads to maintain. I like the threshold plan where a certain amount (minimum) must be kept in reserves but always increased then start with operating account for maintenance. Get a road engineer report for forecasting maintenance.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 05/10/2025 7:07 AM
Our reserve study company used a fully funded plan which in my opinion is the wrong route when you only have roads to maintain. I like the threshold plan where a certain amount (minimum) must be kept in reserves but always increased then start with operating account for maintenance. Get a road engineer report for forecasting maintenance.

This is a good plan. The reality is that attempting to integrate future asphalt maintenance/replacement into a Reserve Fund that has never accounted for it is VERY painful to see on paper!
MarqA1 (Michigan)
Posts: 24
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MI HOA also with private roads.

20 years is way to short to assume replacement. Our road is actually 20 years old this year and we've never had to patch or replace anything but we do crack repairs every 3 years. The sub next door is probably 10 years older and they are just now seeing some areas that need patching but they have been lax in doing any maintenance at all.

I have high confidence we are going to make it to 40 years maintaining the maintenance as we have been doing!

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