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BethB4 (Missouri)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Hi, we are in a situation where we found out our HOA has never filed taxes. It sounds like is is more common than I thought it would be. Curious for those that have been in the situation, what was the resolution? Did you end up with a large tax liability? We are a small subdivision with under 25 homes. We only collect dues and pay bills related to subdivision operations and maintenance. Our CPA said we will need to file 1120 since the IRS doesn't accept 1120-H late. Looks like that will result in some tax liability whereas the 1120-H wouldn't have any.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
It appears that your CPA is correct. From the 1120-H instructions:

Late filing of return:

In addition to losing the right to elect to file Form 1120-H, a homeowners association that doesn’t file its tax return by the due date, including extensions, may be penalized 5% of the unpaid tax for each month or part of a month the return is late, up to a maximum of 25% of the unpaid tax. The minimum penalty for a return that is over 60 days late is the smaller of the tax due or $510. The penalty will not be imposed if the association can show that the failure to file on time was due to reasonable cause Late payment of tax. An association that doesn’t pay the tax when due may generally be penalized 1/2 of 1% of the unpaid tax for each month or part of a month the tax isn’t paid, up to a maximum of 25% of the unpaid tax. The penalty will not be imposed if the association can show that the failure to pay on time was due to reasonable cause.

Reasonable-cause determinations. If the association receives a notice about a penalty after it files its return, send the IRS an explanation and we will determine if the association meets the reasonable-cause criteria. Do not attach an explanation when the association's return is filed.
Other penalties. Other penalties can be imposed for negligence, substantial understatement of tax, reportable transaction understatements, and fraud. See sections 6662, 6662A, and 6663.

Two options:

1) File for this year and hope the IRS doesn't ask about earlier years (but be ready with prepared docs if they do).

2) File this year and get the past years ready, file and see what happens.

BethB4 (Missouri)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks. Our other issue lies in the fact we lost our legal standing with the state. To get it back, we have to file 5 to 6 years of back taxes.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
Beth, respectfully have you actually looked at Form 1120? The chances of the expenses zeroing out (or nearly zeroing out) the income are not bad at all. Meaning your HOA may very well have no taxable income or nearly so.

Does your HOA have a reserve fund (for paying for big ticket items, if any)?

Again respectfully, is it possible you are making a mountain out of a molehill?

I see TimB4 already responded. Here's a bit more to flesh out the answer:
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Posted By BethB4 on 04/25/2025 11:52 AM
Hi, we are in a situation where we found out our HOA has never filed taxes. [snippage] Our CPA said we will need to file 1120 since the IRS doesn't accept 1120-H late.
Short answer: Your CPA is essentially correct.

Long answer:
The phrase "doesn't accept" is not the phrase I would use. What I would have said is that IRS regulations (the CFRs, which have the force of law) prohibit an 1120-H from being filed after its due date and any extensions.

A HOA Board could ask the CPA to file an 1120-H anyway. If the CPA agrees, the CPA does so knowing that the IRS could challenge the return. I expect the cost of responding to an IRS challenge will quickly exceed the potential savings of filing an 1120-H.

I think some HOATalk members might remark: "You think the IRS is going to catch this HOA, today when the IRS budget and staffing has been so slashed? I doubt it." This might be true. But if I were on this HOA's Board, I would feel I had a fiduciary duty to just file the Form 1120.

References:
https://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1120h, Interest and Penalties section

https://www.taxprotalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1238, posts by Ckenefick

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-wd/1223011.pdf

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2024-title26-vol9/pdf/CFR-2024-title26-vol9-sec1-528-8.pdf

In addition you should ask the CPA about having the owners vote on an "Excess Income Resolution" and doing so annually in the future. See https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/E/Excess-Income-Resolution . I suspect a well-qualified CPA would say that the HOA should just jump through the IRS hoops and have this owners' vote.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By BethB4 on 04/25/2025 12:10 PM
Thanks. Our other issue lies in the fact we lost our legal standing with the state. To get it back, we have to file 5 to 6 years of back taxes.
Usually when a HOA 'loses its legal standing with the state,' what is meant that the HOA corporation was involuntarily suspended. Typically the state suspends the corporate status (but not the HOA) when the HOA forgets to file the state-required annual report and pay a very small fee (like $25). Not paying the fee will land the corporation in suspended status.

Is this what happened?

Or did the Missouri Department of Revenue figure out your HOA owed taxes and bust the HOA?

Or both?
BethB4 (Missouri)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Unfortunately, I think both.
BethB4 (Missouri)
Posts: 8
Posted:
ElleN, no disrespect taken and I genuinely thank you for all of the responses.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
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Posted By BethB4 on 04/25/2025 12:33 PM
Unfortunately, I think both.
Okay; this seems consistent.

To see the exact //corporate// status of your HOA, go to https://bsd.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/BESearch.aspx?SearchType=0; put in your HOA's name; and see what the web site spews back at you. Report back here what it says.

The Missouri Secretary of State likely "administratively dissolved" the corporation. Be advised that this absolutely does not mean the HOA has no legal responsibilities. The covenants do not go away. Nor do the HOA's tax obligations go away.

To get back to proper legal status:
A CPA has to file the state tax forms (if any) and federal tax forms.

The Missouri Secretary of State has procedures (pursuant to Missouri law) for re-instating the HOA corporation. See https://www.sos.mo.gov/business/faqs, the "Dissolution" section. I see the latter site says the HOA must submit a "tax clearance letter" from the Missouri Dept of Revenue.
BethB4 (Missouri)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Yes, we have the administrative dissolution information from the state and all of the other requirements. Our attorney will handle that part. The taxes are just our hurdle now. We tried to reach out to prior trustees to find old taxes so we had a starting point for the new ones and that is how we ended up finding out they have never been filed. Now we just want to ensure we do everything proper and are working with a CPA. Lots of drama in the subdivision, so trying to ensure we dot all i's and cross all t's.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
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Posted By BethB4 on 04/25/2025 12:52 PM
Yes, we have the administrative dissolution information from the state and all of the other requirements. Our attorney will handle that part. The taxes are just our hurdle now. We tried to reach out to prior trustees to find old taxes so we had a starting point for the new ones and that is how we ended up finding out they have never been filed. Now we just want to ensure we do everything proper and are working with a CPA. Lots of drama in the subdivision, so trying to ensure we dot all i's and cross all t's.
FWIW this sounds to me like a well done response to the situation.

I am glad the HOA has an attorney helping it.

To me the biggest concern would be the HOA's insurer. Insurers these days are looking for any good reason to say no to claims and insurance renewal.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
I would not be overly concerned. Your CPA will do his job and any interest penalties and fines will likely be rather minimal.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
I would not be overly concerned. Your CPA will do his job and any interest penalties and fines will likely be rather minimal.

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