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JoshH2 (Texas)
Posts: 2
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Question about whether an HOA can enforce fence height in Texas under the following circumstances.

CCIR states, “all fences erected on areas readily apparent and visible from streets shall be six feet.”

If an 8-foot fence is constructed on the back of the property (provided they get an approved permit from the city), facing outside of the HOA and backing up to a significant commercial road that is used by large trucks and creates a lot of noise, could the HOA still restrict the fence height?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,338
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If I were on the board, I would want to know if the covenants say anything at all about the possibility of the HOA approving a "variance" from the covenants. Can you please check yours and see?

Otherwise, conditions have to be extraordinary for the board to lawfully be able to violate the covenant you described.

Be aware that the courts treat covenants like contractual terms. When you bought into this HOA, supposedly you knew of this covenant and agreed to it. Now you have a contractual-like obligation to abide by it.

Do understand that if the board approves this, other owners, whose circumstances may not be extraordinary, can ask for similar variances. If they are turned down, the perception will be of unfairness.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,338
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Google AI Answer to "can a HOA board issue a variance?":


Yes, an HOA board can issue a variance. A variance is a formal exception granted by the HOA, allowing a homeowner to deviate from the community's rules and restrictions in specific, extraordinary circumstances. The board needs to have the power to issue variances in its governing documents, such as the CC&Rs.

Key Considerations:
Variances are typically granted only in unique and specific situations where strict adherence to the rules would cause significant hardship or injustice, or where the property's unique characteristics justify a deviation.

Impact on Neighbors:
The variance should not negatively affect the rights and interests of other property owners in the community.

Transparency and Documentation:
The process should be transparent, with a formal application, hearing, and written decision to ensure fairness and accountability.

Governing Documents:
The board's power to issue variances, the process for requesting them, and the circumstances under which they can be granted should be clearly defined in the HOA's governing documents.


I agree with this AI response in its totality. Meaning do not pick and choose what you like and ignore what you do not like.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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If the fence could still be seen from the street, even if it bumps up against one that's noisy, the HOA may still have an argument. Then again,the CCR says "all streets" - could there be an argument that all means all, even though it's doubtful anyone would spend a lot of time on a street with lots of businesses and trucks.

Then there's the question as to whether the HOA rule trumps thie city regulation. Usually it doesn't unless the HOA rule is tough than the city or country rule and/or the city rule applies to House established after a certain date.

Bottom line, you'll need to speak to someone from the city agency that issues the permit and a private attorney (most of us aren't attorneys and what's true in your area may not be the case in ours). You might also try to speak to the board and invite them to yourhome to see what you're seeing and hearing - they might be willing to issue an exception. If you have neighbors who have the same problem, perhaps all of you can approach the board.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Unless your local laws require a fence height lower than 6 feet, the answer is yes, your Association can insist on the 6 foot height.

You may want to consider planting trees to obtain the additional height you are looking for.
DeanJ
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Posted By JoshH2 on 04/24/2025 6:15 PM
Question about whether an HOA can enforce fence height in Texas under the following circumstances.

CCIR states, “all fences erected on areas readily apparent and visible from streets shall be six feet.”

If an 8-foot fence is constructed on the back of the property (provided they get an approved permit from the city), facing outside of the HOA and backing up to a significant commercial road that is used by large trucks and creates a lot of noise, could the HOA still restrict the fence height?

You basically have stated the fence is apparent and visible from streets. Unless you have language to the contrary, I would interpret it to mean all streets.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By ElleN on 04/24/2025 6:32 PM
Google AI Answer to "can a HOA board issue a variance?":


Yes, an HOA board can issue a variance. A variance is a formal exception granted by the HOA, allowing a homeowner to deviate from the community's rules and restrictions in specific, extraordinary circumstances. The board needs to have the power to issue variances in its governing documents, such as the CC&Rs.

Key Considerations:
Variances are typically granted only in unique and specific situations where strict adherence to the rules would cause significant hardship or injustice, or where the property's unique characteristics justify a deviation.

Impact on Neighbors:
The variance should not negatively affect the rights and interests of other property owners in the community.

Transparency and Documentation:
The process should be transparent, with a formal application, hearing, and written decision to ensure fairness and accountability.

Governing Documents:
The board's power to issue variances, the process for requesting them, and the circumstances under which they can be granted should be clearly defined in the HOA's governing documents.


I agree with this AI response in its totality. Meaning do not pick and choose what you like and ignore what you do not like.
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Thankfully there aren’t many HOA declarations allowing a board to issue a variance for a prohibited improvement.

When an HOA is forced by law to issue a variance by Fair Housing Act, the variance should be clear the improvement must be removed within 30 days of a demand by the board.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,338
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Posted By DeanJ on 04/25/2025 9:31 AM
Thankfully there aren’t many HOA declarations allowing a board to issue a variance for a prohibited improvement.
I agree Declarations should be careful about the wording here. Because the typical unskilled HOA board could certainly abuse any provision allowing variances.

Here I think it is possible that the road was once low traffic. Now it is high traffic. If the Declaration allows a variance, it should be considered. If the Declaration does not allow a variance, then for the sake of home values, the board should still look at the details closely; see if things have changed since the Declaration was first written; and give due consideration to all the facts and law on variances.
JoshH2 (Texas)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks for all the replies. Yes, the covenants allow variances. They have already allowed houses on the edge of the HOA to have 8-foot fences that do not on the busy street, but they are still visible from the streets. Their response was because it's not facing the road, which is why they allowed it, but they are still visible from the street.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,338
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Posted By JoshH2 on 04/26/2025 7:45 AM
Thanks for all the replies. Yes, the covenants allow variances. They have already allowed houses on the edge of the HOA to have 8-foot fences that do not on the busy street, but they are still visible from the streets. Their response was because it's not facing the road, which is why they allowed it
You posted that the covenant says, “all fences erected on areas readily apparent and visible from streets shall be six feet.”

The Board has made a judgment call about what "readily apparent and visible from streets" means.

When a "land use covenant" is vague and/or ambiguous, nationwide the case law says the covenant is not enforceable, on grounds that case law favors the "free use of property."

Is this covenant vague and/or ambiguous? Maybe. The HOA and you would have to take your dispute to court to find out.

At the trial court level in particular, what the court will say is a role of the dice.

If you want a draft of a letter that you can send to the board, that just barely hints that you might sue, ask.

Subsequently you would have to elevate your demands and possibly lawyer up.

Google AI Answer to "Can a covenant that is vague be enforced?":

No, a covenant that is vague or ambiguous is generally not enforceable. Courts prefer clear and specific language in contracts, and a vague covenant can lead to conflicting interpretations and difficulty in determining whether a party has breached it. A court will likely refuse to enforce a covenant if it's too ambiguous to provide objective standards for compliance.

Elaboration:
Vague language in a covenant, such as "maintained in a clean and sightly condition," can be open to subjective interpretation, making it difficult for courts to objectively determine if a party has violated the restriction. For example, what one person considers "clean and sightly," another might not.

Courts generally interpret covenants as contracts, and they will strive to give effect to the parties' intent. However, if the language is unclear, the court will likely resolve any ambiguity in favor of the free enjoyment of the property. This means the court may find the covenant unenforceable if it's too vague to be practically applied.

Key takeaways:

Clear language is crucial:
Restrictive covenants should be drafted with precise and unambiguous language to avoid future disputes.

Vague language is problematic:
If a covenant is too vague, it may be considered unenforceable.

Court's role:
Courts prefer clear and specific language in covenants and will generally not enforce vague language.

Example:
A restriction stating "the home must be similar to other homes" without specifying how is likely too vague to be enforceable.


Each of the key points in the AI answer has a link.

I agree with this AI Answer.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
In this circumstance, while broad, the language is neither vague or ambiguous.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,338
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Posted By DeanJ on 04/26/2025 1:58 PM
In this circumstance, while broad, the language is neither vague or ambiguous.
IYO

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