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MaryM59 (Texas)
Posts: 11
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Our annual meeting and board election is held the first week in February. At our 2025 meeting, when the vote counts were counted, verified etc, the community manager informed the board and ultimately those in attendance that we could continue the meeting and thus the election with a "declining quorum". It turns out this was inaccurate advice and subsequently the meeting and election were deemed invalid per our legal counsel and interpretation of the bylaws.
Another meeting is scheduled in early May. Proper notice, and nomination forms were distributed on schedule. The proxy/ballots were mailed on schedule.

On the proxy it basically states that it is in place for 11 months. However, our annual is held in February.This means that for purposes of quorum and/or voting, the proxy is good beyond our February 2026 annual meeting/election and therefore the proxies are good for two annual elections. That doesn't seem fair or right!

Property Management says, proxies are kept for purposes of any questions or concerns that come up after an election is held. Further, our Board members serve two full years and therefore our Board elections can no longer be held in February!

As a boardmember, I am so confused and also continue to wonder about the professional advice we are getting from our property manager! Opinions and advice are really appreciated. I've learned a lot in my first year to say the least! Help!
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Why is it not right or unfair for me to give my attorney or any other person I trust my proxy for what ever period of time I desire? And, who is it unfair too?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
Posted:
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Posted By MaryM59 on 04/14/2025 1:21 PM

On the proxy it basically states that it is in place for 11 months. However, our annual is held in February.This means that for purposes of quorum and/or voting, the proxy is good beyond our February 2026 annual meeting/election and therefore the proxies are good for two annual elections. That doesn't seem fair or right!
Some observations:

-- An owner who has assigned someone to be her or his proxy may revoke this assignment at any time.

-- The 11 months number most likely comes from the Texas Nonprofit Corporation Act, BO 22, Section 22.160. See https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/BO/htm/BO.22.htm

-- This time limit for proxies is pretty common nationwide. It probably comes from the Uniform Corporation Act yada, which many states adopt in large part.

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Posted By MaryM59 on 04/14/2025 1:21 PM
Property Management says, proxies are kept for purposes of any questions or concerns that come up after an election is held. Further, our Board members serve two full years and therefore our Board elections can no longer be held in February!
What is the issue?

I think you may have to quote exactly what your HOA's bylaws say on the subject of director terms, annual elections and more.

Fact: Bylaws cannot anticipate every strange situation. When a meeting is found to be invalid, notice requirements combined with what the bylaws say can mess things up. The best HOA attorneys advise: Do the best you can, aiming for reasonableness and fairness.
MaryM59 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
On our proxy, homeowners have 3 options. 1. Vote for the candidates of their choice, sign ballot and mail or deliver to mgmt company. 2) Appoint another homeowner (boardmember?) to vote on their behalf. Our almost 50 year old bylaws don't address the possibility of a homeowner naming a board member as a proxy---much less one who is running for re-election) 3) vote for no one and return the proxy for purposes of reaching quorum.
I guess my issue is perhaps less about the proxy and more that the date of our Annual meeting/election must now be changed from February to May to ensure that newly elected boardmembers serve a full 2 year term.
Finally, I guess I am frustrated that our professional management company gave incorrect advice in February, advising us to go with a declining quorum which was wrong! Admittedly, any one of us could/should have read the bylaws at that very moment, but we didn't. I accept that. But shouldn't a professional management company be able to advise us correctly? Hard lesson learned all around.
MaryM59 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Thank you for your thoughts. Appreciated!
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
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Posted By MaryM59 on 04/14/2025 1:21 PM
At our 2025 meeting, when the vote counts were counted, verified etc, the community manager informed the board and ultimately those in attendance that we could continue the meeting and thus the election with a "declining quorum".
Do your bylaws have a "declining quorum provision"?

Texas statutes have no such provision.

Normally "declining quorum" means the owners present vote to adjourn the meeting until a nearby future date, and then for the second meeting (really, a continuation of the first meeting) the quorum requirement from the first meeting is cut in half.

"Adjourned" here means the meeting is suspended for a period of time and then re-convened.

What did your manager mean when he said this meeting could continue with a "declining quorum"? He might have had the right idea but implemented it incorrectly.

After you respond to my question above, I will give you my assessment of HOA managers' "expertise" in general terms, based in experience and some special warnings for all HOA managers who are flippantly and illegally giving legal advice.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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It sounds like you need to rethink the wording on your proxies, specifically the expiration date. Ours state that the proxy is effective for the upcoming annual meeting and for any adjournment thereof. It allows for unexpected events that force adjournment, but it's not open-ended. It would not cover any other votes that may take place in the community, particularly another election.

Consult state law to see what limits are imposed on proxies. Some states allow for open-ended ones with no expiration date (I don't recommend - it's too easy to lose track of who is allowed to vote).

And as ElleN noted, a proxy may be revoked by the person who signed it. You have to allow for people who sign a proxy and then show up at the meeting.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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ElleN hinted at this in her answer: legal questions need to be answered by people with legal expertise. Not community managers, in other words, unless they're also practicing law on the side.
MaryM59 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
The bylaws do not mention declining quorum. I agree that re-wording the language is warranted on the proxy for the future. I always understood the proxy could be revoked at anytime during the term of the proxy, but also understand that most people would not think to do that. As I've researched a bit ( unfortunately after the fact) I have learned much! I have studied our bylaws and other governing documents. We could have recessed the meeting until such time that we had a quorum and proper announcement of when the meeting would be reconvened. I will suggest rewording proxy at our April meeting! Thank you
MaryM59 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
The bylaws do not have the provision of a declining quorum. Is it possible she could have been thinking of TX states pertaining to non-profits or just confused us with another community.
Regarding how the declining quorum was described. She said that the meeting could be recessed for a short time (in our case----minutes) and reconvene with 50% of quorum which we had. Further we could continue to reduce the quorum until such time that actually reached it. We only reduced the quorum once.
We've had challenges with this company for over a year regarding clear, timely, accurate and even grammatically correct communication and are in the process of making a change. We've interviewed 2 other companies about there processes including different technology, communication, finances, DRVs, ACC, contracts, utilities, training and an actual transition timeline. It is unfortunate that the relationship is so fractured with mistrust. I realized this when I was elected in 2024 as I was frustrated that nothing ever got done. I think previous boards allowed the mgmt company to run the show and it appeared we were working for them and not the other way around. Hopefully this whole annual mtg/election is the last major hurdle for now!
Thank you for your kindness!
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
Posted:
Thank you for elaborating and doing so carefully. It helps so much.

For future reference: Is this a Condominum Association?
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Posted By MaryM59 on 04/15/2025 9:25 AM
The bylaws do not have the provision of a declining quorum. Is it possible she could have been thinking of TX states pertaining to non-profits or just confused us with another community.
None of the relevant Texas statutes have a provision for adjourning the annual meeting to a future time, with the quorum requirement being reduced.

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Posted By MaryM59 on 04/15/2025 9:25 AM
[The association manager] said that the meeting could be recessed for a short time (in our case----minutes) and reconvene with 50% of quorum which we had. Further we could continue to reduce the quorum until such time that actually reached it. We only reduced the quorum once.
This is neither in your bylaws nor state statutes. The manager is incorrect any way one slices it.

This is a learning opportunity. Granted you directors should not be teaching the manager. Still, consider asking the manager what bylaw, state stature or other citation says what she claimed.

Your manager gave legal advice in her capacity as a paid employee or contractor. If she is not an attorney, what she did is the unauthorized practice of law and violates state statute via the attorney's very serious code of conduct (which is also statutized, state by state). In the past HOA Managers have been warned about giving legal advice and so the unauthorized practice of law. The manager (or you or I) can give legal "information." But this is not what the manager did here. In so many words, the manager said, "Do this, and it will be lawful."

As for formal education, many managers have a high school diploma and that's it. If a manager has a ton of experience, this can certainly mean a lot more than a manager having say even a Masters degree. But in my experience many (not all) managers understand that they are in a position of some authority. They do not admit their limitations and when they need to ask for help.

In my experience over many years, including observing much litigation between HOAs and owners and how judges interpret HOA statutes, covenants and so on, the best managers and directors will say to anyone complaining or wondering about xyz: Show me where in the Declaration, bylaws or state statute it says what you claim.

Based on my understanding of your bylaws so far, here is what I believe should have happened:

Quorum was not met. Hence per the Texas Nonprofit Corporation Act at section 22.208, the incumbent directors continue to hold office "until a successor is elected, appointed, or designated and qualified."

This is not something the owners can lawfully decree by vote. The Board would have to decide whether (1) the bylaws allow another attempt to hold an election (before the 2026 annual election); and (2) whether they wish to do so. Elections are expensive. It's the owners' en masse decision to not vote (in person or by proxy). I would not blame a board one bit if it simply waited until 2026 to hold another election. The latter might be way more consistent with the bylaws, overall.

I would have to say exactly what your bylaws say about elections and terms to say whether maybe the Board should consider cancelling this May election. Yes, I am for democracy. But when it costs a fortune and it is the owners' fault for quorum not being achieved, I think the requirements for giving owners democracy have been met.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
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Posted By ElleN on 04/15/2025 10:44 AM

I would have to say exactly what your bylaws
Change "say" to "see".
MaryM59 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
It is a community of single family homes. Thank you so much for your insight! Valuable, to have an objective 3rd party ask appropriate questions and provide options to think about. You are very kind given the information I provided!
JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
Posted:
Wow, BYLAWS, ATTORNEY FEES, MANAGEMENT COMPETENCY, member apathy....all challenging for volunteer board. As I read these comments, I'm thinking "but our CCRs/Bylaws are the ORIGINAL 1986-87 vintage." This isn't a good wine..but do we need a total rewrite ($$$$$$) or what? Davis Stirling clearly defines Civil code laws. Do we really need a rewrite of our documents? Yes, a bit off target of PROXY! HELP!!!!
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
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Posted By JackieB4 on 04/16/2025 7:49 AM
Wow, BYLAWS, ATTORNEY FEES, MANAGEMENT COMPETENCY, member apathy....all challenging for volunteer board. As I read these comments, I'm thinking "but our CCRs/Bylaws are the ORIGINAL 1986-87 vintage." This isn't a good wine..but do we need a total rewrite ($$$$$$) or what? Davis Stirling clearly defines Civil code laws. Do we really need a rewrite of our documents? Yes, a bit off target of PROXY! HELP!!!!
Excellent question. Maybe only bylaws need restatement but CC&Rs could only be amended?

What percentage of owners must vote in the affirmative to amend/restate each of these? Be clear about whether the percentages are "of all owners" or only 'of a quorum of owners attending a duly called owners' meeting' or something else.

Pros:
Less confusion, as people read the bylaws and CC&Rs and assume they are gospel, but often newer state laws trump the bylaws/CC&Rs. Then directors and owners alike, not being versed in the legalities, do not know how to parse the bylaws/CC&Rs.

Cons:
$$$$$$

Cost-Benefit Analysis:
Get an estimate. Compute the cost per owner. Given the age of the governing documents, I am thinking the wasted energy of directors and owners alike (as they try to figure out what is still valid in the bylaws/CC&Rs) argues for at least restating the bylaws and possibly amending the CC&Rs.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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If you want to start a new thread, Jackie, I have long experience with CA Bylaws & CC&Rs, both of which we restated in '22 and I ws the main Board member working on them with our atty. In you the, please let me know the length of your CC&Rs.

Meanwhile back in '22 I did Google something like "Reasons to restate CAlif HOA CC&Rs," and found good advice. One was that ladders do not like ancient CC&Rs.
JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
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Kerry, Sounds good. I'm always game to discuss/learn the experiences of others with HOT TOPICS. Restating Documents ('87) is costly and extremely time-consuming...and probably emotionally draining when dealing with a typical apathetic membership. What's the gain...... with low interest in leadership and not wanting to spend money when Davis Stirling is available and the law?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Hey, Jackie, A new thread is good if you want more based on true CA Board member experience
JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
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Ellen, you are always SPOT-ON. Thanks. Our CCR's ('87) under termination and Amendment requires "members representing not less than 67% of the voting power..."
"However termination of this declaration and any of the following amendments, to be effective, must be approved in writing by the Beneficiaries of 75% of the First Mortgages on all the lots..." etc, etc, etc! OMG! Lending group Apathy, no doubt, would surpass member apathy, + spend tons of money (legal, etc) with questionable success...and takes YEARS of volunteer work. No guarantees!

Cost-Benefit: A while ago I was given a $6,000-7000 estimate. But let's say $10,000 now with 140 SFHs, rare amenities (streets, lights, 2 entrances, front yard landscaping, mailboxes, bulletin board, fencing.) So $72 per owner; however we're currently well funded. I've lived here 24 years, been on all the committees and Board President past and present.(numerous times). Less than 6 attend meeting (every 2 months), and no one jumps for joy to be on any committee or consider a Board position (3). Why update/restate documents ($$$$$$$) when Davis Stirling clearly states Right and wrong. The gray areas can be clarified in our Rules/Regs? We're nearly 40 years with outdated documents (which most members are unaware of) so I'm questioning the obvious?
JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
Posted:
Kerry, always a possibility but let's see where this goes? Thanks
MaryM59 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Further to my original post: I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried! Unbelievable really!

1. February Annual Meeting was invalid because of the use of declining quorum which is not stated in our HOA bylaws.

Questions: Are the 11 month term proxies submitted for the February meeting still valid for the now rescheduled Annual
Meeting in May?

Are the proxies indicating that the proxy can be used for purpose of meeting a quorum of homeowners,carried over
to the rescheduled May meeting?

Are the proxies that designate an individual vote on their behalf at the meeting still valid?

It gets better....

2. Ballot and 11 month term proxies were mailed to homeowners for the May Annual. However this May ballot was incorrect! Soooo,

3. A corrected version of the first May ballot/proxy was mailed to homeowners. The board requested that an email be sent immediately from management company acknowledging their error and it was also posted on our neighborhood webpage. (The error was ommitting the word "incumbent" next to his name)

Question:If someone returned the incorrect May ballot/proxy before receiving the corrected version, are these ballots AND
proxies invalid because the form was incorrect?

Can the proxies designated for quorum purpose only on the incorrect form be used for the rescheduled May meeting?

Again, I can't make this stuff up!

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