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MalcolmP (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Hopefully I'm not getting into too much legalese, but I have some questions regarding common areas and HOA responsibility when it comes to condominiums.

Florida Statute 718.111(11)(f) details insurance requirements. Under 718.111(11)(f)(3), it states; "The coverage must exclude all personal property within the unit or limited common elements, and floor, wall, and ceiling coverings, electrical fixtures, appliances, water heaters, water filters, built-in cabinets and countertops, and window treatments, including curtains, drapes, blinds, hardware, and similar window treatment components, or replacements of any of the foregoing which are located within the boundaries of the unit and serve only such unit. Such property and any insurance thereupon is the responsibility of the unit owner".

My question relates to the verbiage "any of the foregoing which are located within the boundaries of the unit and serve only such unit." I was always under the impression that perimeter drywall was considered a common element, which defined the boundary. Of course paint, wall coverings, etc. is the responsibility of the unit owner. Could the perimeter drywall ever be considered to "serve only such unit," meaning an individual unit? I understand an association can opt out of the provisions of paragraph (J), however without any official record of this, wouldn't the association be required to insure the common elements, with perimeter drywall being considered a common element? When could perimeter drywall ever not be considered a common element? Under what circumstances would an association not be required to insure perimeter drywall as a common element, unless they opted out by majority vote?

The declarations state that "Each unit owner shall maintain, repair and replace at his expense all portions of his unit which are not covered by the insurance policy maintained by the association, as well as certain portions of the Common Elements which serve only his unit, including, but not limited to, windows, doors, screens and associated hardware".

Could the "not limited to" verbiage be used as a loophole to absolve the association of responsibility, or would the statutes dictate their liability under law?

Thanks!
JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
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Please quote the description/definition of a unit in your Declaration. It will (should) say if the drywall is part of the unit or not. There is no one-size-fits-all, as this can be different in different condos, so you have to look at the definition in your condo's Declaration.
MalcolmP (Florida)
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Posted By JeffT2 on 04/09/2025 10:20 AM
Please quote the description/definition of a unit in your Declaration. It will (should) say if the drywall is part of the unit or not. There is no one-size-fits-all, as this can be different in different condos, so you have to look at the definition in your condo's Declaration.

Thank you....In the declaration, it simply states the following: "Unit" - means a part of the respective Condominium property which is to be subject to exclusive ownership

Nowhere in the declaration does it define boundaries, specific common elements, or mention drywall in any manner.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,335
Posted:
The statute states that the "coverage must exclude" xyz. Among other things, this means the coverage can exclude more than xyz.

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Posted By MalcolmP on 04/09/2025 9:27 AM
I was always under the impression that perimeter drywall was considered a common element, which defined the boundary.
Why were you under this impression?

One reason I am not under this impression is because I have not seen drywall of individual units listed in reserve studies.

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Posted By MalcolmP on 04/09/2025 9:27 AM
Could the "not limited to" verbiage be used as a loophole to absolve the association of responsibility, or would the statutes dictate their liability under law?
A "loophole" suggests something nefarious and wily. I would not call this a "loophole." Instead I think it is crystal clear that the owner is responsible for the maintenance, repair and replacement of the unit's drywall.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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There are condos where the drywall is common element, but they are not the majority of condos.
JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
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Posted By MalcolmP on 04/09/2025 11:26 AM
Posted By JeffT2 on 04/09/2025 10:20 AM
Please quote the description/definition of a unit in your Declaration. It will (should) say if the drywall is part of the unit or not. There is no one-size-fits-all, as this can be different in different condos, so you have to look at the definition in your condo's Declaration.


Thank you....In the declaration, it simply states the following: "Unit" - means a part of the respective Condominium property which is to be subject to exclusive ownership

Nowhere in the declaration does it define boundaries, specific common elements, or mention drywall in any manner.

There has a be a description somewhere in your declaration. It is the basis of what you own and maintain. It could be in the graphic description that is required in Florida.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Typically, from my understanding, Association is responsible for studs outward and the unit owner is responsible for the drywall inwards.

Additionally, based on what you stated, it sounds like the unit owner may be responsible for limited use common elements (a balcony as an example).
MalcolmP (Florida)
Posts: 3
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Thanks for the input everyone...Most of what I've read is that the common elements include the perimeter, unfinished surfaces of the unit ("box of air"), which means the drywall. That is unless it's specifically excluded in the declarations. Of course paint/wall coverings are not included.

My question stems from a situation where the roof on the condo leaked, and damaged the perimeter drywall, ceilings and flooring of a unit. The unit owners insurance covered the damage, however they specifically excluded perimeter drywall from the claim, indicating that it's the associations responsibility.

Since the perimeter drywall is not specifically excluded, and there are no details regarding the "Unit," would not this fall under Florida statute? There's also the question of whether not it's an "insurable event." I understand there are "maintenance events," but I don't see how a roof leak wouldn't be an insurable event.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,335
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MalcolmP, does your associations, Declaration or HOA rules and regulations (or even Bylaws) have requirements for what insurance each owner must carry? If so, please quote these requirements verbatim.

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Posted By MalcolmP on 04/10/2025 7:59 AM
Thanks for the input everyone...Most of what I've read is that the common elements include the perimeter, unfinished surfaces of the unit ("box of air"), which means the drywall. That is unless it's specifically excluded in the declarations. Of course paint/wall coverings are not included.
Much of the reporting on the net says that drywall is often (but by my reading, not always) an association responsibility when an insurable event occurs. For example, see:
https://beckerlawyers.com/condo-association-doesnt-cover-unit-finishes-news-press/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LCDfifkjJs
https://theclaimsquad.com/2021/05/01/condominium-insurance-claims-whos-responsible-for-the-drywall/
https://www.merlinlawgroup.com/loss-assessment-coverage-under-the-ho6-condominium-policy/

It's clear to me that for drywall damage, the statute alone does not determine whether the association must pay for the drywall repair.

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Posted By MalcolmP on 04/10/2025 7:59 AM
Since the perimeter drywall is not specifically excluded, and there are no details regarding the "Unit," would not this fall under Florida statute? There's also the question of whether not it's an "insurable event." I understand there are "maintenance events," but I don't see how a roof leak wouldn't be an insurable event.
You say the Declaration does not specifically exclude the drywall. In other words, you assert that the phrase, "which serve only his unit, including, but not limited to" can be ignored.

I disagree.

There is a principle in law called unius est exclusio alterius. The reason this does not apply is because of the phrase "which serve only his unit, including, but not limited to." I say this based on observing directly much litigation between owners and HOAs and reading case law on the same. Covenants are contractual terms. The courts often interpret covenants using contract law principles.

As well the statute has many caveats for a situation like yours. For example, from FS 718.111 (11) (j) 4.:

The association is not obligated to pay for reconstruction or repairs of property losses as a common expense if the property losses were known or should have been known to a unit owner and were not reported to the association until after the insurance claim of the association for that property was settled or resolved with finality, or denied because it was untimely filed.

I would need a lot more information to argue that the association has responsibility for the drywall. Like a copy of your insurance policy and the HOA's master policy.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By MalcolmP on 04/10/2025 7:59 AM

My question stems from a situation where the roof on the condo leaked, and damaged the perimeter drywall, ceilings and flooring of a unit. The unit owners insurance covered the damage, however they specifically excluded perimeter drywall from the claim, indicating that it's the associations responsibility.

And when you sent that insurance report to your Board, what did they say?

Additionally, there is nothing that would prevent you from making a claim for the perimeter drywall against the associations insurance company.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By TimB4 on 04/10/2025 10:24 AM
Posted By MalcolmP on 04/10/2025 7:59 AM

My question stems from a situation where the roof on the condo leaked, and damaged the perimeter drywall, ceilings and flooring of a unit. The unit owners insurance covered the damage, however they specifically excluded perimeter drywall from the claim, indicating that it's the associations responsibility.


And when you sent that insurance report to your Board, what did they say?

Additionally, there is nothing that would prevent you from making a claim for the perimeter drywall against the associations insurance company.

To report a loss (make a claim) on an insurance policy you have to be a named insured. Generally, a condo owner cannot directly make a claim on the HOA's insurance policy.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,335
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Posted By TimB4 on 04/10/2025 10:24 AM

Additionally, there is nothing that would prevent you from making a claim for the perimeter drywall against the associations insurance company.
I agree. This is called a "third-party claim."

Before deciding to make a third-party claim, I would want to see both the owner's policy and the HOA's policy.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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With Dean, our CC&R Article on insurance does not permit ownrs to make aclaim against the HOA's insurance.
PatriiciaR (Texas)
Posts: 32
Posted:
What kind of coverage do you carry for your liability in common elements? What kind of personal coverage is needed for the individual owner if they damage a common element?

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