Yes or No

LetA (Nevada)
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Simple yes or no, should construction or demolition begin on a project unless the necessary permits are secured?

I am so sick and tired of the B$ from this management company I want to scream. In my opinion, not one thimble full
of pool plaster should've been removed until the necessary permits was secured to ensure this project was
able to be completed in a timely manner. Now the PM is telling me the pool "should" be ready by the time school lets out
so Memorial Day weekend.. Suck that Fhit.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239

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The management company works for the HOA board of directors. While the manager is accountable, your board is responsible for this.

LetA (Nevada)
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Posted By KellyM3 on 03/18/2025 11:38 AM
The management company works for the HOA board of directors. While the manager is accountable, your board is responsible for this.

I am a board member and this is just beyond comprehensible.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284

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A big NO

DeanJ
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Posted By LetA on 03/18/2025 11:10 AM
Simple yes or no, should construction or demolition begin on a project unless the necessary permits are secured?

I am so sick and tired of the B$ from this management company I want to scream. In my opinion, not one thimble full
of pool plaster should've been removed until the necessary permits was secured to ensure this project was
able to be completed in a timely manner. Now the PM is telling me the pool "should" be ready by the time school lets out
so Memorial Day weekend.. Suck that Fhit.

Why would you management company obtain permits? This is the responsibility of the contractors in most venues.

WendyM5 (North Carolina)
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Posted By LetA on 03/18/2025 12:29 PM

Posted By KellyM3 on 03/18/2025 11:38 AM
The management company works for the HOA board of directors. While the manager is accountable, your board is responsible for this.

I am a board member and this is just beyond comprehensible.

then fire them.

vis ta vie

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

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So now the story is, Permits obtained, but the blame is on the health district for lack of manpower to perform
inspections coughbullshitcough. Why would the health district have to come out and inspect chiseled out plaster?
some prep work has already been performed, like laying trim tile.

What would the need for the health department to come out at different phases of the re plaster?
I have to admit this time around we have to have the drains replaced. We were told the existing drains are no longer manufactured and
we have to replace the grates and frame. We are also replacing the jaccuzzi heater and adding a second filter. We are doing this all
at once so the work can be completed under the same permit saving us the cost of permits doing the jobs separately.

This isn't a building permit where different trades need to come out to have their individual work inspected. Typically
the health department comes out after the work is completed and the inspector signs off on the venue being functional.

Just a few years ago when just the jacuzzi was replastered, the spa was shut down for less than 30 days
and in that time the pool deck was ground down and resurfaced. The health district didn't need to make multiple inspection
trips, they only visited once to make use the venue was fit for use.

I plan on calling the health district tomorrow for clarification.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059

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Quote:

Posted By DeanJ on 03/18/2025 4:40 PM

Why would you management company obtain permits? This is the responsibility of the contractors in most venues.

Actually, most contractors do pull permits for their client.
However, it is the responsibility of the client to have this done.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By LetA on 03/18/2025 11:10 AM
Simple yes or no, should construction or demolition begin on a project unless the necessary permits are secured?

... snip ...

I assume you mean "should construction or demolition wait until the necessary permits are secured?" I say yes. There is significant liability in the event of an accident that occurs before the work can legally be performed.

MarshallT (New York)
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You are correct that work shouldn't start until all the permits are secured. But projects (sadly) are almost never completed on time. The PM can only do so much when it comes to timelines, and if this work has to be done, better to do it now than delay another year.

DeanJ
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Posted By TimB4 on 03/19/2025 3:49 AM

Posted By DeanJ on 03/18/2025 4:40 PM

Why would you management company obtain permits? This is the responsibility of the contractors in most venues.

Actually, most contractors do pull permits for their client.
However, it is the responsibility of the client to have this done.

Actually, any prudent board is making permits and inspection the responsibility of the contractor. Otherwise the contract is completed by the contractor before inspections are completed.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059

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LetA,

I do know that in some areas some contractors have approval from the county that they can do the work and submit paperwork later. Most likely dependent on type of work.

You might want to check with the county on this.

DeanJ
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Posted By LetA on 03/18/2025 9:40 PM
So now the story is, Permits obtained, but the blame is on the health district for lack of manpower to perform
inspections coughbullshitcough. Why would the health district have to come out and inspect chiseled out plaster?
some prep work has already been performed, like laying trim tile.

What would the need for the health department to come out at different phases of the re plaster?
I have to admit this time around we have to have the drains replaced. We were told the existing drains are no longer manufactured and
we have to replace the grates and frame. We are also replacing the jaccuzzi heater and adding a second filter. We are doing this all
at once so the work can be completed under the same permit saving us the cost of permits doing the jobs separately.

This isn't a building permit where different trades need to come out to have their individual work inspected. Typically
the health department comes out after the work is completed and the inspector signs off on the venue being functional.

Just a few years ago when just the jacuzzi was replastered, the spa was shut down for less than 30 days
and in that time the pool deck was ground down and resurfaced. The health district didn't need to make multiple inspection
trips, they only visited once to make use the venue was fit for use.

I plan on calling the health district tomorrow for clarification.

Why are you as a board member all upset and directly involved any part of this project?

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

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Posted By DeanJ on 03/19/2025 8:43 AM

Posted By LetA on 03/18/2025 9:40 PM
So now the story is, Permits obtained, but the blame is on the health district for lack of manpower to perform
inspections coughbullshitcough. Why would the health district have to come out and inspect chiseled out plaster?
some prep work has already been performed, like laying trim tile.

What would the need for the health department to come out at different phases of the re plaster?
I have to admit this time around we have to have the drains replaced. We were told the existing drains are no longer manufactured and
we have to replace the grates and frame. We are also replacing the jaccuzzi heater and adding a second filter. We are doing this all
at once so the work can be completed under the same permit saving us the cost of permits doing the jobs separately.

This isn't a building permit where different trades need to come out to have their individual work inspected. Typically
the health department comes out after the work is completed and the inspector signs off on the venue being functional.

Just a few years ago when just the jacuzzi was replastered, the spa was shut down for less than 30 days
and in that time the pool deck was ground down and resurfaced. The health district didn't need to make multiple inspection
trips, they only visited once to make use the venue was fit for use.

I plan on calling the health district tomorrow for clarification.

Why are you as a board member all upset and directly involved any part of this project?

Because the PM won't hold the vendors feet to the fire, who will? The last time we had the pool re-plastered the vendor dragged their feet on
the project, then we got hit with some inclement weather. The vendor took on other projects instead of returning to the one they started here. the pool was down for four whole months, UNACCEPTABLE in my book.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

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I spoke with the health district and their scheduling is about two to three weeks for first inspection.
The vendor ordered the inspection the first week of March which is two weeks after demo began, had they ordered the inspection when
they began demo, we could've had the inspection completed by now.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

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Posted By TimB4 on 03/19/2025 8:23 AM
LetA,

I do know that in some areas some contractors have approval from the county that they can do the work and submit paperwork later. Most likely dependent on type of work.

You might want to check with the county on this.

This inspection is performed by the health dept not the county.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059

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Posted By LetA on 03/20/2025 3:13 PM

Posted By TimB4 on 03/19/2025 8:23 AM
LetA,

I do know that in some areas some contractors have approval from the county that they can do the work and submit paperwork later. Most likely dependent on type of work.

You might want to check with the county on this.

This inspection is performed by the health dept not the county.

I'm sure that the health department is overseen by the County or City.

My point is, if you haven't already done so, you should check with the appropriate authority to see if something similar exists.

You, as a homeowner, always have the option of reporting the issue to the appropriate authority (although it will come back on the HOA).

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239

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In this case, health inspections vary state by state. For NC, the health department has no concern about pool replastering but will inspect our pool for functionality as we approach "pool season." I'm not sure why a plaster job would need a permit at all, unless you're upgrading the pool lights and need electrical permits. But again, it likely varies by state.

And "NO." A job that requires construction permits should not begin until permits are obtained.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239

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In this case, health inspections vary state by state. For NC, the health department has no concern about pool replastering but will inspect our pool for functionality as we approach "pool season." I'm not sure why a plaster job would need a permit at all, unless you're upgrading the pool lights and need electrical permits. But again, it likely varies by state.

And "NO." A job that requires construction permits should not begin until permits are obtained.

BoguslawK (California)
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YES