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JosephR7 (Florida)
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I know this is an age old topic, but from what I'm reading, parking at condos is a hot topic. This is a long question so it may take 2 emails. I have a question that I've never seen before. And maybe because I'm naive lol. Every condo is different so the answer can't just be the same for every condo. Especially ours. We have 75 units. Each unit is one story and has 2 parking spaces. The garage and the driveway. We have a whopping 5 guest parking spaces. Thats' FIVE total parking spaces for visitors for the entire 75-unit complex. We have a whopping 0 handicap spaces. That's zero, zilch, notta, nothing, nil... The developer says in the bylaws/documents that up to 6 people can live in one unit. (up to 4 ppl in a 2 bedroom and up to 6 ppl in a 3 bedroom)
But still only 2 parking spaces. Was the developer anticipating if there were more than 2 people per condo that the rest of the tenants (3,4,5 or 6) would not have a car and would not drive.

Is this typical for most condos where you have limited parking, but the developer of the condos say you can have more people living in a unit?

Thanks
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I don't know if it's typical. Our 200+ condos in a city center w/expensive street or lot parking have 2 deeded spaces for 2 bd. units, and one to 1bd + den units. It's rare for more than 2 residents per unit in our HOA. We have 17 visitor parking spaces, which is a lot around our area. One handicapped space if required by our City.

Do you actually have many units with 6 residents of driving age in them? And, if so, didn't they freely choose this situation?? I do not think the occupancy limit are in your Bylaws. But in your CC&Rs (covenants, declaration) or Rules & Regs.

Oh, wait. Do the units have 2 p. spaces + a dbl.or sgl. car garage + driveway?

It's not clear to me why you want to know if your situation is typical. It's what you observed when you bought in this HOA, right?

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By JosephR7 on 03/15/2025 4:05 PM
I know this is an age old topic, but from what I'm reading, parking at condos is a hot topic. This is a long question so it may take 2 emails. I have a question that I've never seen before. And maybe because I'm naive lol. Every condo is different so the answer can't just be the same for every condo. Especially ours. We have 75 units. Each unit is one story and has 2 parking spaces. The garage and the driveway. We have a whopping 5 guest parking spaces. Thats' FIVE total parking spaces for visitors for the entire 75-unit complex. We have a whopping 0 handicap spaces. That's zero, zilch, notta, nothing, nil... The developer says in the bylaws/documents that up to 6 people can live in one unit. (up to 4 ppl in a 2 bedroom and up to 6 ppl in a 3 bedroom)
But still only 2 parking spaces. Was the developer anticipating if there were more than 2 people per condo that the rest of the tenants (3,4,5 or 6) would not have a car and would not drive.

Is this typical for most condos where you have limited parking, but the developer of the condos say you can have more people living in a unit?

Thanks

Your condo purchase included a garage and 1 reserved parking spot in the driveway. It really doesn’t make any difference what happens in other condos. It also doesn’t make any difference if the unit occupancy is 50, you paid for a garage and 1 reserved spot.

ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By JosephR7 on 03/15/2025 4:05 PM

Is this typical for most condos where you have limited parking, but the developer of the condos say you can have more people living in a unit?
Yes.

Remember that the developer wants to make as much profit as possible from the acreage. A developer is not going to gratuitously add parking spaces when instead he can build homes. The developer is going to build the number of parking spaces that (1) satisfies city requirements; (2) makes units reasonably attractive.

For Florida condos, the only time handicapped parking becomes a legal issue is when a resident is disabled and asks for a reasonable accommodation pertaining to parking, pursuant to the Florida and federal Fair Housing statutes.
JosephR7 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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This brings me to my 2nd part of the question. I'm probably going to be wrong but as a lot of ppl say-YOU KNEW THAT WHEN YOU MOVED IN- (referring to there was room for 2 spaces-garage and driveway) Well' I'm 55 years old. I moved into this condo when I was 23 and my parents cosigned my unit. I was excited and didn't have a clue the what, where, how, and when of any HOA rules, bylaws, covenants or whatever else. I can't imagine many 20 something year olds moving into their first place that they would care about any HOA rules and regulations. All of the people on our HOA board are retired or semi-retired and have lots of time to read all the rules and regulations and whatever else and if they lived here for 30 years, they would have plenty of time to read & understand all the rules & regulations.

This might not be the best logic but, how many students were in your high school when you went there? How many students go there today? Since I went to high school in the 1980's the school has doubled in students and doubled in size. That also mean more cars and more parking spaces. Will a school build on more & more as time moves on or will they say sorry, when we bought the school in 1980 there was enough room for 500 students, and that's the way it's going to be.

Do you think it's a fair question about how many units do we really have with 6 ppl living there? Nobody really knows unless you go around to each unit and ask. that doesn't mean it can't happen so that leaves the door open. It also doesn't mean that there could be units with 3 or 4 or 5 ppl living in a unit.

JosephR7 (Florida)
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I noticed you said when a resident needs handicap parking........... As most articles I've read the writer talks about handicap parking for residents. But I've heard nothing about visitor handicap parking.

My story is about our condos is that there were 3 public streets surrounding our complex. All 3 streets had parking signs with one arrow allowing cars to park on those streets. I don't think we really know how many people secretly want some kind of street parking when they move into their unit.

-A couple move into a unit with their 10-year-old daughter. Her daughter turns 16 and wants to get her own car. Mom & Dad said she can park right on the street.
-A couple who owns a car and a motorcycle for each person. They can't afford a house so they look for a place where they can park all 4 vehicles. These condos are
perfect. We will park our motorcycles in the garage and park both cars on the street. (true story at our condos)
-A couple move in and brings their elderly Mother with them. Mother can park her car on the street.
-A couple moves in and see that there is plenty of street parking. They own 2 jet skis, so they decided to park the jet skis in the garage and put the cars on the street. It's cheaper that way instead of paying for a storage facility for their jet skis.
There are numerous stories and numerous reasons why there was street parking. We have 75 units and only 5 guest spaces and ZERO handicap spaces (mostly for visitors).
At a point in time, the city banned street parking on 2 of 3 of those public streets surrounding our complex. Now, we have cars double parking in a driveway on top of a sidewalk. We have cars parking in the cul-de-sac. We have residents parking in the guest parking area. It's turned into a parking lot.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By JosephR7 on 03/15/2025 11:47 PM
I noticed you said when a resident needs handicap parking........... As most articles I've read the writer talks about handicap parking for residents. But I've heard nothing about visitor handicap parking.
What I posted above speaks to visitor handicap parking at a condo as well. There is no legal requirement for this except possibly in extraordinary cases where say a resident is handicapped and his/her caretaker is also handicapped. Whence Fair Housing law pertaining to reasonable accommodation may kick in.

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Posted By JosephR7 on 03/15/2025 11:47 PM
At a point in time, the city banned street parking on 2 of 3 of those public streets surrounding our complex. Now, we have cars double parking in a driveway on top of a sidewalk. We have cars parking in the cul-de-sac. We have residents parking in the guest parking area. It's turned into a parking lot.
If your condominium has covenants that address these situations, then the board should enforce these covenants.

This forum speaks of these crowded condo parking situations often.
JosephR7 (Florida)
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Our condo was surrounded by 3 public streets that allowed street parking. I thought that was appropriate since we had 0 handicap spots and 5 guest spots for a 75-unit condo. The city banned parking on 2 of those public streets. Resulting in cars parking in 3 illegal areas. 1. cul-de-sac, 2. on top of a sidewalk in a driveway, 3. in the guest parking area. (sorry if I'm repeating)

When complaints to the HOA started coming in, the HOA said sorry, you knew when you moved in that there were 2 parking spaces. Driveway and garage. For the people who are dead set on that you have 2 spots to park and there's no gray area, there's no changing your mind. However, if the HOA was set in stone that there are only 2 parking spaces available, shouldn't the HOA be set in stone to only allow 2 people to live in one unit? Shouldn't the developer be set in stone to only allow 2 ppl to live in one unit? Since the developer allowed up to 6 ppl to live in a unit...and since the HOA allow more than 2 ppl living in one unit, doesn't that leave the door open a little bit to place some responsibility on the HOA and the developer for allowing this to happen?

If the developer and the HOA said up front, they are strict at only allowing 2 ppl to move in because there are only 2 parking spaces per unit, there would be no argument. The relator, the HOA, may or may not say anything about parking when ppl move into a unit. But if they want to make the sale, I'm sure they would tell the would-be ppl moving in that there is street parking available. I can pretty much guarantee if a couple wants to move in and the couple brings up the issue of a 3rd person moving in, the relator is going to say sure, there's plenty of street parking. It's hard for me to believe that an HOA would allow more than 2 ppl to live in a unit and then when the city banned street parking the HOA says, sorry you knew there was only room for 2 parking spaces and not really care about other residents who park on the street. I'm not quite on board with this but, I say to avoid any kind of arguments about parking the HOA should have strict rules that only 2 ppl can live in one unit. Because they know there will be future issues on this topic.

In fact, there are a set of 9 condo units across the street from our condos. They actually mention street parking available when there are units for sale. BTW, there are about a handful of units in our condos that are 3 bedrooms.

ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By JosephR7 on 03/16/2025 11:04 AM
However, if the HOA was set in stone that there are only 2 parking spaces available, shouldn't the HOA be set in stone to only allow 2 people to live in one unit?
Your reasoning does not make sense to me.

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Posted By JosephR7 on 03/16/2025 11:04 AM
Shouldn't the developer be set in stone to only allow 2 ppl to live in one unit? Since the developer allowed up to 6 ppl to live in a unit...and since the HOA allow more than 2 ppl living in one unit, doesn't that leave the door open a little bit to place some responsibility on the HOA and the developer for allowing this to happen?
Allowing what to happen? as the Board indicated, everyone who bought into this HOA knew in advance the parking situation and how many people were allowed to live in each unit.

As for Realtors and advertising lying, that's something a buyer can take up with the realtor and advertiser. Whence I expect the realtor or advertiser would say: "Disclosure of the covenants is required. In fact here [on the purchase paperwork] are your initials indicating that you received a copy of the covenants. I do not think I can help you."

You can lobby for an amendment to the covenants. Typically it takes a supermajority to amend them.
JosephR7 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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What happened was, we have 3 public streets surrounding our condo. Since the HOA ALLOWED more than 2 ppl to live in one unit the extra cars parked on those public streets. The city came along and banned parking on 2 of those public streets. So, no matter how wrong I am on this issue, the outcome from the parking ban resulted in those extra cars parking in the cul-de-sac, parking in a driveway on top of a sidewalk, and residents parking in the guest parking area. All 3 of those are a no-no.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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The HOA doesn't have a choice in how many may live in a unit.

If they are actually related to each other, the Fair Housing Act would prevent the Association from stopping them living together.

That said, as families grow, children learn to drive and, in time, may have their own car. This adds to the parking situation.
As those children move away, the parking situation improves.

If the parking is blocking a sidewalk, contact the police as that is a violation.

DeanJ
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Posted By JosephR7 on 03/15/2025 8:52 PM
This brings me to my 2nd part of the question. I'm probably going to be wrong but as a lot of ppl say-YOU KNEW THAT WHEN YOU MOVED IN- (referring to there was room for 2 spaces-garage and driveway) Well' I'm 55 years old. I moved into this condo when I was 23 and my parents cosigned my unit. I was excited and didn't have a clue the what, where, how, and when of any HOA rules, bylaws, covenants or whatever else. I can't imagine many 20 something year olds moving into their first place that they would care about any HOA rules and regulations. All of the people on our HOA board are retired or semi-retired and have lots of time to read all the rules and regulations and whatever else and if they lived here for 30 years, they would have plenty of time to read & understand all the rules & regulations.

This might not be the best logic but, how many students were in your high school when you went there? How many students go there today? Since I went to high school in the 1980's the school has doubled in students and doubled in size. That also mean more cars and more parking spaces. Will a school build on more & more as time moves on or will they say sorry, when we bought the school in 1980 there was enough room for 500 students, and that's the way it's going to be.

Do you think it's a fair question about how many units do we really have with 6 ppl living there? Nobody really knows unless you go around to each unit and ask. that doesn't mean it can't happen so that leaves the door open. It also doesn't mean that there could be units with 3 or 4 or 5 ppl living in a unit.


Again, who cares how many people live in the units. You purchased your unit with the help of your parents 32 years go. It’s very likely you owned 1 car and the parking situation seems to have met your needs then.

Most people do not stay in their starter home for more 30 years. Their needs change and they move to properties that meet their needs. You now want a condo to change to meet your needs. Thats not how it works.
KerryL1 (California)
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Again, I agree with Dean.
JosephR7 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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I'd like to ask the people responding to my emails if you knew all the info you are saying when you were 23 years old? What's that saying? IF I ONLY KNEW THEN WHAT I KNOW NOW... People really do look for street parking (or other avenues for extra parking) when looking for a place to live. A condo down the street is attached to a shopping center and the extra cars park at the shopping center. The condos across the street actually advertise street parking when selling their units. I'm sure the responses that were made were mostly true. Unfortunately, it's not reality. Or we wouldn't be having this conversation. Parking issues are near the top for condo problems. In 1980 there were 6 million ppl living in Fla. That took a gigantic leap to 23 million in 2025. Car ownership has gone up. So, whether or not my condo purchase included a parking space in the driveway and 1 in the garage, I believe the booming of Fla residents are a factor in the parking problems happening at condos. If you look around, shopping centers, schools, other businesses, highways are all expanding.
TamaraG7 (Florida)
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Posted By JosephR7 on 03/15/2025 4:05 PM
I know this is an age old topic, but from what I'm reading, parking at condos is a hot topic. This is a long question so it may take 2 emails. I have a question that I've never seen before. And maybe because I'm naive lol. Every condo is different so the answer can't just be the same for every condo. Especially ours. We have 75 units. Each unit is one story and has 2 parking spaces. The garage and the driveway. We have a whopping 5 guest parking spaces. Thats' FIVE total parking spaces for visitors for the entire 75-unit complex. We have a whopping 0 handicap spaces. That's zero, zilch, notta, nothing, nil... The developer says in the bylaws/documents that up to 6 people can live in one unit. (up to 4 ppl in a 2 bedroom and up to 6 ppl in a 3 bedroom)
But still only 2 parking spaces. Was the developer anticipating if there were more than 2 people per condo that the rest of the tenants (3,4,5 or 6) would not have a car and would not drive.

Is this typical for most condos where you have limited parking, but the developer of the condos say you can have more people living in a unit?

Thanks

Always a problem for condominiums and especially weekly rental condominiums in Florida.

Older condominium associations, typically provided for one parking space because they were not considering the rental effect at time of construction. A garage will provide another parking opportunity but then not all condos offer garages to all units either. The weekly rental condominium I manage has one carport space assigned to each unit and half the amount of garages (purchased seperately).

Number of residents in Florida per unit is determined by the county fire marshal; usually two people per double bed...two bedrooms = 4 people, add a sleeper sofa to a 2/2 then 2 more for total of six.
If these are three couples with three cars, there will be parking issues...

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