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VincentD2 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
HELP AND SUGGESTION WELCOMED.
I'm a Board member of an HOA association in Delray Beach Florida. The board would like to change the assigned voting power to a percentage of number of units owned by one family (in this case Husband and wife) who own 9 units in a 48-unit association and the wife is the owner of 8 unit and the president of the board. The breakdown of ownership of the 48 units is " 16 year-round residents, 5 LLC's, and 18 snowbirds or seasonal rentals.
WE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE CCR'S TO ALLOW NO MORE THEN 2 UNITS OF OWNERSHIP PER OWNER (H&W) - WITHING TIME FOR RENTALS 3 YEARS - AND REDUCE RENTAL NO MORE THE 5 OF 48 FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. ELIMINATE LLC OWNERSHIP (CORRENT ONE WOULD BE GRANDFATHER IN) AND THE EXISTING MULTY OWNER UNITS TO A PERSENTAGE OF 100% DEVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF UNITS OWNED TO EQUAL ONE VOTE.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
The bylaws and covenants are considered contractual terms. People bought into this condo association based on these contractual terms.

The courts say amendments need to be reasonable. A court might very well say that taking away the above important voting rights from a minority is not reasonable and would require 100% consent of the owners (regardless of what the amendment sections of the bylaws and covenants say).

Your board should get the advice of counsel. Why? To prevent expensive litigation.
VincentD2 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Agree that before we make any changes, we need to consult our Lawyer.
I would like to add that the intend in not to remove voting right but to balance the voting so that when an annual association voting takes place such as voting for board members and get better representation of the general ownership. as it stands today, we need 2/3 of the 48 to approve any amendments and would like to change to 50 + %. and without that change we are stuck. As a side note the President has been on the board for over eight years and in order to remove we need 2/3 of votes.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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First off, is your community an HOA, condo association, or other? I'm going to assume you're in condos since you refer to "units".

The board needs to consult with the association attorney. Your options will be limited by state law and what's currently in your governing documents.

They also will also be limited by your community's demographics. Even for changes that are consistent with current state law, homeowners will have a say in what happens. And the percentage needed to approve a new or revised rental restriction can be high (super-majority). Changes to voting percentages typically require unanimous approval - because if somebody's percentage changes, everyone else's needs to change as well (assuming you're in condos). If you don't have the votes, it won't matter how good an idea it is - it's not happening.

FWIW, my community tried something like this last year. The board at the time wanted to lower the percentage for a certain type of change that required unanimous approval in order to change our rental restriction that already only required 75% approval. The end result, if the first change would have been approved, would have been lowering the guardrails protecting us from some undesirable consequences. ** And it would have done nothing to help us approve an amended rental restriction - because we didn't have the necessary votes. ** We would have been worse off than we started. Fortunately the first change was not approved - we just paid our lawyer for a useless effort.

Long story short: be careful and listen to your attorney.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
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Posted By VincentD2 on 03/06/2025 9:30 AM
we need 2/3 of the 48 to approve any amendments and would like to change to 50 + %.
I do not see a problem with seeking this change.
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Posted By VincentD2 on 03/06/2025 9:30 AM
As a side note the President has been on the board for over eight years and in order to remove we need 2/3 of votes.
First, don't you all have the opportunity to vote this director (who is also serving as president) every year or so? How come owners have not voted him out?

Second, respectfully, please understand that officers and directors are two different roles. Officers are President, VP, Treasurer and Secretary. Almost always, the bylaws say that the board of directors selects the officers.

Directors are elected by owners, typically annually, with some caveats if director terms are staggered and if a vacancy on the board arises between the regular annual election.

If any of this does not make sense, ask a question.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I agree, consult with an attorney.

Additionally, such a change might only apply moving forward and those individuals would be grandfathered in until they sold.

Expecting 2/3 approval to change the CC&Rs, you would need 32 lots to agree in order to amend the covenants.
Per your posting, those individuals own 17 units out of the 48. Therefore, it is unlikely such an amendment would be approved without the support of at least one of the multi unit owners.
VincentD2 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thanks Kathy
Just to close the loop regarding the HOA and state, we are an HOA Association governed by the Florida state association.
I will coeternally first get the Board approve the Motion pending Lawyer approval of the language to be used on the documentation provided to the unit owners before a vote is affected. I'm looking in this forum for a Florida state HOA association who is or was in the same situation that we are in to share or suggest a possible way for us to explore and possibly get out of the current situation.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
In California, covenants are not contractual terms, they are equitable servitudes. Not sure about Florida.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
Distinction without a sustantive difference.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
substantive
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Just the difference between winning and losing.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
For Californians reading about the enforceability of covenants:


Equitable servitudes permit courts to enforce promises restricting land use when there is no privity of contract between the party seeking to enforce the contract and the party resisting enforcement. Like any promise given in exchange for consideration, an agreement to refrain from a particular use of land is subject to contract principles, under which courts try 'to effectuate the legitimate desires of the covenanting parties. When landowners express the intention to limit land use, that intention should be carried out. (Nahrstedt v. Lakeside Village.)


California courts have made clear that enforcing covenants is easier than enforcing a breach of contract. This is a good thing.
PatriiciaR (Texas)
Posts: 32
Posted:
Would you so kind to share the letter to owners?

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