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RoseM11 (West Virginia)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Hello,

During the budget discussion at our Annual Meeting a member being very, very assertive pointed out a person on the Board was "untrustworthy - dishonest" because he had mailed a one-page document using an envelope and a postage stamp from his personal work office. We are a tiny self-managed community, no letterhead, no envelopes, no printer ... nothing. So the meeting minutes were done, approved by the Board, then sent out to the members. The complainer became upset again because the Board did not include her complaint - now all of us are considered dishonest. Note: The Board member said he does have to pay a monthly administrative fee at his office for things like envelopes/stamps. QUESTION: Were we "supposed" to include her complaint in the minutes? We heard, we listened, that Board member also apologized in the meeting and said would not do it again. We found the complaint very petty and unfair. Though technically wrong, the Board member thought he was doing a good thing by mailing her document quickly (he also works out of state). The complainer won't move on now and is emailing the development that the Board is dishonest.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By RoseM11 on 03/04/2025 9:04 AM
QUESTION: Were we "supposed" to include her complaint in the minutes?
Absolutely not. Why? Because no law requires it. Because the bylaws do not require it. Also her complaint may be defamatory and risk litigation against the HOA.

Your board should tell this person, "Thank you for your input. Best practices and authorities like Robert's Rules of Order advises only recording actions taken by the governing body. The board also chooses to mention topics on which the governing body touches."

For a board meeting, the governing body is the board. An "action" is a motion and a vote on the motion.

No such motion was made by any director.

Then it is of the utmost importance to ignore further communications from this person. At board meetings if she speaks, the board presidents again says simply, "Thank you for your input."

If you want a citation to the Robert's Rule that speaks to this, ask.

If you want a parliamentarian's view on all this, ask your question at https://robertsrules.forumflash.com/ . Some of the forum's regulars are a little sarcastic. Just be polite and ignore the sarcasm.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By RoseM11 on 03/04/2025 9:04 AM
Hello,

During the budget discussion at our Annual Meeting a member being very, very assertive pointed out a person on the Board was "untrustworthy - dishonest" because he had mailed a one-page document using an envelope and a postage stamp from his personal work office. We are a tiny self-managed community, no letterhead, no envelopes, no printer ... nothing. So the meeting minutes were done, approved by the Board,
And of course I messed up, failing to note that the Annual Meeting is a meeting of the owners.

Per Robert's Rules, only the owners approve the Annual Meeting Minutes.

Your board is wrong to think the board approves the minutes.

The board should send out a draft of the Minutes. The board should remind owners that they have to approve the minutes at the next meeting of the owners (whenever this is).

At owners' meetings, the governing body is the owners. The board does //not// preside at meetings of the owners. The president runs the meeting but gives no deference to directors per se at this meeting.

The owner's complaint was not an action of the owners en masse. It was not on the agenda. It should not be in the Minutes for this and other reasons in the vein of what I posted above. The owner can vote against approval of the Minutes. If she is outvoted, too bad.
RoseM11 (West Virginia)
Posts: 7
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"Thank you" for your tips/advice ... Loved it.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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The member's complaint had nothing to do with association business so they would have no reason to acknowledge it. The member can complain to the employer but not to the board.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Ignore the crazies.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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There is no reason why a complaint shouldn't be included and there is no requirement that it must be included.

Example: One member sent a concern about abcd.
The board discussed the issue and determined the complaint is being address by xyz.
The board authorized the President to inform the member of the boards decision.

More detailed: One member sent a concern about transparency.
The board discussed the issue and determined that the complaint is being addressed with use of the association website, the newsletter and personal mailings. The President will send a letter letting the member know how to access these items.

Another example: One member was concerned that all issues are not included in the minutes. The board discussed the issue and will include a brief notation in the minutes of concerns and the boards response.

Two or three lines makes can show better transparency.

NOTE: The association might not have an office but I would expect all members have a computer and printer at home. The Association should purchase a ream of paper, a roll of stamps and handle the mailings themselves. Perhaps authorizing the purchase of one black ink cartridge per year for the secretary to print said items.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
What does this mean,Rose? "The complainer won't move on now and is emailing the development that the Board is dishonest." What/who is the "development?

In Ca, for the Board to discuss abcd, it must be on the posted agenda 4 days ahead of the board meeting. And any item on the posted agenda must be discussed and perhaps action taken on it. Therefore, in Calif, & perhaps other open meeting states, this item must be referred to in the board meeting minutes.

If a meeting of the members, such complaints during the open forum portion of the Members Meeting in CA, a member might complain about abcd. But this is NOT a meeting of the Board, the presider would say something like we'll pass your concern on to the board to potentially discuss, or similar. Caveat--unless a very simple question like "why is this room so cold?" Then, the presider would probably answer.

If a member "sends a concern" about any matter, this does not mean it'll be on the board meeting agenda in CA unless the member requests it and the Board--usually the president-- approves it for the agenda. But, I believe TN is not an open meeting state

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