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PeterK9 (Minnesota)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I am writing to find out if anyone has entered into arbitration as a method of removing a board member. Our long time board President is a general contractor. He has been ( through a passive board ) awarding contracts to his company for building maintenance.

I am looking at this as a clear violation of conflict of interest, and violation of fiduciary duty. Has anyone recently gone down the road of arbitration to remove a board member for cause ?(Conflict of Int & Breach of Fiduciary Duty)?

Doubtful he will respond to an " informal meeting " so I am prepared with an attorney's help to ask for Arbitration.

Feel free to share your experiences and recommendations. I will keep everyone posted on the board here as well if there is interest.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PeterK9 on 02/11/2025 1:33 PM
I am writing to find out if anyone has entered into arbitration as a method of removing a board member. Our long time board President is a general contractor. He has been ( through a passive board ) awarding contracts to his company for building maintenance.

I am looking at this as a clear violation of conflict of interest
PeterK9,Minnesota's nonprofit corporation statute defines what a conflict of interest is. The statute also states when a contract made between a HOA and a business is potentially voidable. Paraphrasing from the statute:

First, was this conflict of interest disclosed to the owners and the board?

Second, did the board president (also a director, yes?) abstain from voting on any contract involving his company?

See https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/317A.255

Please clarify a few other things--

-- Was this President duly elected to serve as a director? Not all HOA Presidents are also directors. Legally it matters.

-- Is this a condominium?
PeterK9 (Minnesota)
Posts: 7
Posted:
PeterK9,Minnesota's nonprofit corporation statute defines what a conflict of interest is. The statute also states when a contract made between a HOA and a business is potentially voidable. Paraphrasing from the statute:

First, was this conflict of interest disclosed to the owners and the board?

No, the most recent budget that included a line item for contract maintenance was going to be paid to the President's company. The contract amount was allowing for a profit to the Board President through this billing. In effect
there is " skimming " going on.

Second, did the board president (also a director, yes?) abstain from voting on any contract involving his company?

No, President was leading the board / budget meeting and voted in favor of the budget, no recusal, no abstaining, no discussion or questions regarding the budget.

Please clarify a few other things--

-- Was this President duly elected to serve as a director? Not all HOA Presidents are also directors. Legally it matters.

Yes

-- Is this a condominium?

Yes
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PeterK9 on 02/11/2025 3:32 PM
PeterK9,Minnesota's nonprofit corporation statute defines what a conflict of interest is. The statute also states when a contract made between a HOA and a business is potentially voidable. Paraphrasing from the statute:

First, was this conflict of interest disclosed to the owners and the board?

No, the most recent budget that included a line item for contract maintenance was going to be paid to the President's company. The contract amount was allowing for a profit to the Board President through this billing. In effect
there is " skimming " going on.
I cannot tell if something illegal or criminal is going on with this "skimming." This is because I cannot tell what you mean by "skimming."

If you read the statute section I linked above carefully, then you will see that the contract is not voidable as long as the President-Director can show that the contract was "fair and reasonable as to the [HOA/COA] corporation when it was authorized, approved, or ratified." Per the statute's wording, the latter appears to be so (1) despite the non-disclosure; and (2) despite the President-director voting on the contract.

Who adjudicates whether the contract was "fair and reasonable"? By my reckoning, a court. The plaintiff would be the HOA/COA or possibly one of the owners through a "derivative action."

Regarding experience with removing a director via arbitration:

This is highly unlikely to happen (or to have ever happened). Why? Because the Bylaws for your condominium association almost assuredly state how a director can be removed from his/her seat on the board. The Bylaws almost assuredly state that the owners have to vote on the removal, and either a majority or supermajority of //all// the owners must vote to remove the director for the removal to be effective. The courts say the Bylaws are effectively a contract.

Minnesota's Condominium Statute and/or Nonprofit Corporation statute have more to say about removal of a director. You can google, look these up and get more informed.

In my experience, competent HOA attorneys advise that the best path to getting rid of a guy like this is to throw him out at the next election or possibly via a Recall at a Special Meeting called pursuant to what the Bylaws say.

I would want him off the board. But I would recognize that a vote of the owners (perhaps after putting a little "just the facts" "sunshine" on the situation) is the best way to get him off the board by far.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
And indeed as Elle has read here many, many times, Owners in '06 and the again in '19 voted directors off the Board who'd comprised literally rogue Boards in my hOA of 200+ condos . By '07 we "good guys" had control of in the first example, . In '19, We good guys had control immediately following the annual meeting.

Anther frequent poster here also was successful with his neighbors in voting off disgusting directors.

I think there have been 1-2 more examples, but can't quite recall-- in Texas & in Calif.?

So it's by far the cheapest way to kick out lazy rubber-stamp direcrtors and a sleazy director/prez. BUT it requires unifying with your neighbors and campaigning the next time this jerk is up for election. When is that???

I do not recall even seeing arbitration on this forum or even a successful recall, except for discussion of the latter.

There is no need to go to court or hire an attorney. If you can persuade your fellow owners to be "citizens," i.e., active agents in fixing your broken Board, you can prevail.

If you or anyone else wants to know how this works via boots on the ground, based on real experience, lmk.

If you're shy or whatever to "reach out, as they say, at least try to get a couple of other owners to join you in seeking an attorney's advice.

Btw, are your bird meeting open in your state? Have you or anyone asked the prez how I'ts OK for her/him to vote to award contracts to his firm? Have you attended such a meeting? Or read the meeting minutes?

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PeterK9 on 02/11/2025 1:33 PM
I am writing to find out if anyone has entered into arbitration as a method of removing a board member. Our long time board President is a general contractor. He has been ( through a passive board ) awarding contracts to his company for building maintenance.

I am looking at this as a clear violation of conflict of interest, and violation of fiduciary duty. Has anyone recently gone down the road of arbitration to remove a board member for cause ?(Conflict of Int & Breach of Fiduciary Duty)?

Doubtful he will respond to an " informal meeting " so I am prepared with an attorney's help to ask for Arbitration.

Feel free to share your experiences and recommendations. I will keep everyone posted on the board here as well if there is interest.


Normally, arbitration results from a contract dispute and arbitration is a method in the contract resolve the dispute. The arbitrator is bound by interpreting the contract and the arbitrators ruling is final. In the example of HOAs, arbitration is not generally an option to settle disputes.

In addition, if you decide to sue the board member, the board member will simply have the HOA insurance defend him in the lawsuit and his appointed attorney will do everything in his power to drain your of legal funds and get the case dismissed.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/11/2025 7:49 PM
Have you or anyone asked the prez how I'ts OK for her/him to vote to award contracts to his firm?
If the contract is fair and reasonable to the HOA, Mn statute says it is okay for him to vote to award contracts to his firm.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/11/2025 7:49 PM
And indeed as Elle has read here many, many times, Owners in '06 and the again in '19 voted directors off the Board who'd comprised literally rogue Boards in my hOA of 200+ condos .
?

KL has posted she and others threw out at least one board. I am not aware of these 'many many' posts saying she and others threw out boards in 06 and 19.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
Posted:
PeterK9 received some very good answers and references back to state laws. In Minnesota, state laws 317a and 515b are for both condos and HOA's. I do not believe that most board members do not know their state laws that pertain to condo and hoa laws.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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I do remember Kerry's community having to deal with problem boards a couple of times. Is that "many, many"? Dunno.

I think dealing with problem boards or problem directors happens a lot. I'd even say that it's the norm, for a given definition of "problem".

For Peter's board:

* I agree it's a conflict of interest. But for me, the bottom line is whether or not the contracts are "reasonable" or if the association is being overcharged.

* "Overcharged" is a vague term. If the price is outside of the range of prices being charged in the area for similar services, then maybe. But I say maybe, because just looking at the numbers doesn't account for the quality of the service. If the higher price results in higher quality, or a better warranty, or if the company is tossing in an occasional freebie because they do so much business with the community, these things matter. In short, there's smoke but there may not be a fire.

* State laws governing the operations of community associations and non-profits will provide avenues for replacing board members. Arbitration is unlikely to be one of those methods. Board members serve at the pleasure of the homeowners and can be removed by them with or without cause. Arbitration puts power in the hands of the arbitrator and lessens homeowners' power to conduct their own affairs. Courts rarely get involved unless a corporation has gotten itself into real trouble and needs to go into receivership to recover, in which case homeowners will have no say about anything.

This situation is a garden-variety dispute over one board member's actions. And we don't know if the rest of the community thinks Mr. Businessman is great. The other board members are willing to go along with him, so they're as much of the problem as Mr. Businessman is. Again: we have smoke. Do we have a fire? Unknown - but I'd do some investigating if I lived in Peter's community.

PeterK9 (Minnesota)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Some additional information or viewpoint.

1) This issue here is not contract law. Btw there is no written contract. I believe the issue here is two fold. Has the board member/President

a) received a financial benefit at the expense of homeowners. Yes as there were no competing bids, no discussion by the board, no recusal action. Just a single line item in the budget that was not transparent.

2) The board member has

a. Duty of Loyalty (Duty of Good Faith)

Duty of loyalty requires HOA board members to act in good faith to promote the best interests of the entire association. HOA board fiduciary responsibility prevents board members from making decisions to further their personal
interests. Board members must also avoid an HOA board of directors conflict of interest. This includes choosing a family-related vendor or voting on issues with a bias.

b. Duty of Care

Duty of care requires HOA board members to make informed decisions regarding HOA matters. However, corporate law acknowledges that board members are constantly faced with countless decisions and it is impossible to thoroughly
review information related to each decision. As such, the board of directors can rely on other people such as an HOA manager or staff to provide the information necessary to make a decision. However, the HOA board of directors
is still responsible for making the final decision.

( our HOA management company is in his " back pocket " so to speak as he holds their contract over their heads )

c. HOA Breach of Fiduciary Duty

HOA fiduciary duty when a breach of fiduciary responsibility takes place, the HOA may find itself in legal trouble. Suing for HOA negligence, which may be interpreted as a breach of fiduciary duty, is a common thing. But, what
are some examples of breaches you might encounter?

Failure to enforce the governing documents
Enforcing the governing documents inconsistently
Failure to do their due diligence before making a decision, especially a financial one
Breaking confidentiality
Failure to maintain the reserve fund (in some states)
Conflicts of interest

Sorry for opening a can of worms but as a 300 unit HOA high rise with $ 3,00,00 gross revenue we are not talking about a hundred dollars here and there.

Finally to add insult to injury, the board awarded a $ 600,000 bid for front door replacement in 2023 with only one other bid that would have resulted in a much lower special assessment to the homeowner's. There is plenty of malfeasance going on. Not just one instance.

Recall efforts - doubtful due to the passive nature of the owner's and our governing documents requiring a 75% voting percentage to pass a recall

Any other ideas ?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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The board isn't obligated to accept one bid over another simply because it's less expensive. Did you look at the contract that was awarded and review its specifics? Perhaps the door is made of materials that last longer, the warranty is longer, etc. Get a copy and see what it says, then ask the board any questions you may have.

Are you sure your documents say you need 75% to recall a director? You might want to reread that section since this seems rather high. I can see that for something like approving amendments to the Bylaws or CCRs or approving a special assessment. See what it says about calling special meetings. Usually, you need a certain percentage of homeowners to sign a petition requesting one, and then the board has to schedule the meeting within a certain time.

You say the property manager is in this board member's "back pocket" because he holds the contract over their heads. Um, no - it's up to the rest of the board to decide if that company continues or not. I always say one, two, or three people can't terrorize a community unless the HOMEOWNERS allow it. It could be some people are intimated for whatever reason, but if you have a large community, simple math should show it should be easy to toss rouge board members.

The main problem here is apathy, as you've noted, Some homeowners simply roll over and let the board do what it wants because it doesn't affect them directly (until it does). The rest of the board goes along with the board president because they don't care either (more interested in the title), benefit from bad behavior, or are also intimidated. The rest of your neighbors don't give a flying you know what one way or another.

During that meeting, homeowners should demand answers of the board president and perhaps compel him to resign or do a recall vote. If that's possible, you'll need someone (you, perhaps?) ready to step up and serve out that board member's term. It doesn't mean you'll also be president - the rest of the board usually makes that decision because homeowners elect board members and board members select officers from among themselves.

So arbitration isn't appropriate here, as others have said, so it appears your options are to sue the guy yourself (and then you'd have to prove the association's been harmed by his actions) or rally together your neighbors to vote him out or recall him. The rest of the board could also dump him as president, although he'd stay on the board until he quits, gets voted out, or recalled. Applying pressure to the other board members might work to remove the guy as president - otherwise homeowners need to consider if the entire crew needs to be relieved of their duties.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
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Posted By PeterK9 on 02/12/2025 9:38 AM
Btw there is no written contract. I believe the issue here is two fold. Has the board member/President

a) received a financial benefit at the expense of homeowners. Yes as there were no competing bids, no discussion by the board, no recusal action. Just a single line item in the budget that was not transparent.
Please consider elaborating on why Director-President Slugworth (fictional name) here is performing services for the HOA without anything in writing and without even an oral vote by the directors approving payment of Slugworth's company for services rendered.

Does the line item in the budget even give the name of Slugworth's company?

The long-time posters and many new folks here are well acquainted with the duties you listed. The forum talks about them often, but almost always in abstract terms or in terms of "best practices." Why is this? First, whether a board is complying with these duties is legally quite subjective (regardless of how strongly you feel). This is a huge problem. Second, it would take a lawsuit (or threat of a lawsuit) claiming breach of xyz duty to try to get the current board to improve its conduct. Third, start skimming the HOA case law where people have tried to sue directors for breach of these duties. It is rare that the courts rule against the directors. It pretty much takes a bona fide criminal conviction. Then a judge might rule against a director or board.

I continue to suspect that only a massive campaign putting sunshine on the conduct of Slugworth and the board will result in Slugworth's being thrown out at the next election.

If you post more details about the "agreement" the HOA has with Slugworth (or just confirm again there are no signs of any agreement, in writing or by board vote), then I will post a draft of a letter you can write to the board that might possibly get them to shape up.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I'll repeat that unified action by owners is the cheapest and best way to get rid of a bad Board.

(And we've heard of many directors/boards who kow tow to the President, on this forum for any of the reasons Shelia lists.)

So....is you're unable to get a group of say 8-12 owners formed to strategize and throw out some directors at the next election? In our '06 success, we cleverly called ourselves "The Small Group." We had maybe 10 other behind-the scenes supporters (worried about retaliation from the Board) early and until the election. Or you'd just prefer to not take that path? It really is a lot of work!

When IS the next annual meeting? How many directors are there? How many seats will be up for election.

I would NEVER suggest a recall and did not.

How can there be NO contract or written agreement with Prez JerkFace? ??? How does anyone know how much to pay his company or what its tasks are? What about their workers comp ins?? This is bizarre.

We're only 200+ condo units (v. your 300) in two 25 story towers & our annual Janitorial contract is $370,000 and our annual engineering vendor is $142,000 (Chief & asst.). So our total Maintenance bill is huge. And so must be yours, Peter.

Actually, this forum rarely* brings up the Business Judgement Rule (BJR) that in Calif. is in our Corporation Code. It definitely is NOT a "best practices" statement; it IS state statute in, I think, most states. Peter's Board failed to practice "due diligence" or their duty of care in gifting som aspect of these to the prez.

In my reading of 77A.255, the prez had the "burden" to show that the contract was "fair and reasonable." But "reasonable" compared to what?? With only one submission, establishing what is reasonable is impossible. In addition, among other flaws, b (3) states the "interested" director should not vote.

More tomorrow

Do you have meeting minutes, Peter?

* The BJR was referred to recently in a post.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/12/2025 5:32 PM
It definitely is NOT a "best practices" statement; it IS state statute in, I think, most states. Peter's Board failed to practice "due diligence" or their duty of care in gifting som aspect of these to the prez.
One can rant and rave all they want, alleging lack of due diligence, breach of fiduciary duty and so on. The real question is: Can the ranter and raver prove to a court that the board's conduct rises to the level that directors should be held liable?

If directors are "liable," how does one compute the damages (dollars owed) here?

This is why the discussions here discussing BJR, fiduciary duty et cetera are often in the abstract and in the context of "best practices" to fulfill as well as possible BJR requirements (expectations, really, since they are subjective), fiduciary duty et cetera.

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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/12/2025 5:32 PM
In addition, among other flaws, b (3) states the "interested" director should not vote.
You are misreading the statute. Depending on the details, Director-President Slugworth (with a conflict) can lawfully vote and the contract can still be legally enforceable.

The OP should probably keep reading here for a few months. He needs to get a handle on his options practically speaking, perhaps especially given possibly apathetic co-owners. He needs to state whether he wants to be on the board and so on. Yes, question this guy. But be ready to replace him with yourself, too.
DeanJ
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Posted By PeterK9 on 02/11/2025 3:32 PM
PeterK9,Minnesota's nonprofit corporation statute defines what a conflict of interest is. The statute also states when a contract made between a HOA and a business is potentially voidable. Paraphrasing from the statute:

First, was this conflict of interest disclosed to the owners and the board?

No, the most recent budget that included a line item for contract maintenance was going to be paid to the President's company. The contract amount was allowing for a profit to the Board President through this billing. In effect
there is " skimming " going on.

Second, did the board president (also a director, yes?) abstain from voting on any contract involving his company?

No, President was leading the board / budget meeting and voted in favor of the budget, no recusal, no abstaining, no discussion or questions regarding the budget.

Please clarify a few other things--

-- Was this President duly elected to serve as a director? Not all HOA Presidents are also directors. Legally it matters.

Yes

-- Is this a condominium?

Yes

JUST STOP AND THINK ABOUT YOUR OPINION.

An HOA budget should not contain the name of any contractor. So if your complaint is the budget didn’t name the company, you are just wrong. Per your own post, the board passed a resolution for the contract. The board was informed. Where is the secrecy you aledge?

About all HOA presidents are appointed from the current members of the board and most HOA CC&Rs provide the officers also are board members. The fact the president is a board member or wasn’t elected by the owners doesn’t make a difference. Granted the president should have recused on the vote.

Many HOA CC&Rs prohibit an officer / board member from being paid to be an officer/board member. Most do not prohibit an officer/board member for charging for other services they provide the HOA. So no, it doesn’t matter either.

Skimming is a type of white-collar crime that involves taking the cash of a prior to entering it into the accounting system. Skimming is an “off-book” fraud because the cash theft has occurred before it is entered into the bookkeeping system. Nothing you have posted suggests any skimming, but you are telling people there is and if you are going to make accusations you should at least know what you are accusing people of.

There are 3 possibilities:

1. The president’s company is providing your HOA a really good deal that you aren’t likely to get with another contractor.
2. The president’s company is providing the same service at the same price the HOA could get from another contractor.
3. The president is charging the HOA more than another contractor.

So far you provided nothing that indicates #3 is occurring.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Conflict of Interest. Hmmm, I'll need to look again. Mt (mis?)reading was that, "(b)(3) the material facts as to the contract or transaction and as to the director's interest are fully disclosed or known to the board ...and the board...authorizes, approves, or ratifies the contract or transaction in good faith by a majority of the directors ... .. provided that the interested director or directors may not vote...."

He did vote, apparently.

So, I had read this to say (as in Calif., btw) that the "contract or whatever Peter want to call it, is not voidable so long as the interested director (the prez) does not vote. In addition, I'd read (b) (2), the prez needed to disclose his "interest" (ownership of the HOA maintenance firm) to the membership , which apparently he did not. Please show me where I'm' wrong, Elle.

But even If I'm not, what can Peter do about it??? If he is uninterested or unable gather support from his neighbors, I guess he finds & pays a lawyer. I guess I he wants to ask that the Board be ordered seek 3 bids for these very expensive maintenance services if they're anything like in my twin tower high rise HOA.

For such VERY expensive contracts, our Board privately interviews 3 firms*, in person, which often are represented by a principal & a couple of staffers, and take about an hour apiece. Now, THAT is "due diligence" for what is likely a very complex HOA.

*As a director for 14 years in a similarly complex HOA that also hadl a construction defect settlement, I'd say I actively participated in few dozen such interviews, a few of which we had "call-backs" for further info.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
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KL1,

Regarding Mn statute section 317A.255 Subdivision 1 (b) :

You missed the "or" at the end of (3).

You missed the repetition in (2) and (3).

You did not reflect on how legislators added (1) so that a contract that was demonstrably "fair and reasonable" to the corporation would make (2), (3) and (4) unnecessary yada.

You missed the fact that (b) is saying that meeting any one of the conditions (1), (2), (3) or (4) means the contract between the director with the conflict and the HOA corporation is not voidable.

Regarding hiring a lawyer: At this time I cannot justify advising Peter to hire an attorney.

No court is going to order the board to get three bids.

If Peter does not think he can get together owners to vote out President-Director Slugworth, or he hasn't the energy to do so, then I think he has the CathyA3 Trifecta of Options, posted here many, many times.
PeterK9 (Minnesota)
Posts: 7
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Posted By PeterK9 on 02/12/2025 9:38 AM
Btw there is no written contract. I believe the issue here is two fold. Has the board member/President

a) received a financial benefit at the expense of homeowners. Yes as there were no competing bids, no discussion by the board, no recusal action. Just a single line item in the budget that was not transparent.

Please consider elaborating on why Director-President Slugworth (fictional name) here is performing services for the HOA without anything in writing and without even an oral vote by the directors approving payment of Slugworth's company for services rendered.

Does the line item in the budget even give the name of Slugworth's company?

No, it is described as " contract labor " I have some confidential documents that go into more depth who the payee is ( Presidents ) company. He bills the HOA $ 130,000 per year for one of his employees to perform this labor and
then he pays the employee around $ 65,000 including all taxes and benefits etc. Where does the remainder go ? In his pocket.

The long-time posters and many new folks here are well acquainted with the duties you listed. The forum talks about them often, but almost always in abstract terms or in terms of "best practices." Why is this? First, whether a board is complying with these duties is legally quite subjective (regardless of how strongly you feel). This is a huge problem.

Second, it would take a lawsuit (or threat of a lawsuit) claiming breach of xyz duty to try to get the current board to improve its conduct. Third, start skimming the HOA case law where people have tried to sue directors for breach of these duties. It is rare that the courts rule against the directors. It pretty much takes a bona fide criminal conviction. Then a judge might rule against a director or board.

I am totally aware of the bias of the courts to favor existing directors. However most of the times these cases are he said/ she said and there usually is no bright line to follow the money as they say.

I continue to suspect that only a massive campaign putting sunshine on the conduct of Slugworth and the board will result in Slugworth's being thrown out at the next election.

If you post more details about the "agreement" the HOA has with Slugworth (or just confirm again there are no signs of any agreement, in writing or by board vote), then I will post a draft of a letter you can write to the board that might possibly get them to shape up.

This dispute is in the planning staged. All of this lack of transperancy is well documented. There are and will be multiple avenues of putting pressure to bear to force a resignation or recall.
PeterK9 (Minnesota)
Posts: 7
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Regarding Mn statute section 317A.255 Subdivision 1 (b) :

You missed the "or" at the end of (3). You missed the repetition in (2) and (3).

You did not reflect on how legislators added (1) so that a contract that was demonstrably "fair and reasonable" to the corporation would make (2), (3) and (4) unnecessary yada.

You missed the fact that (b) is saying that meeting any one of the conditions (1), (2), (3) or (4) means the contract between the director with the conflict and the HOA corporation is not voidable.

Regarding hiring a lawyer: At this time I cannot justify advising Peter to hire an attorney.

No court is going to order the board to get three bids.

If Peter does not think he can get together owners to vote out President-Director Slugworth, or he hasn't the energy to do so, then I think he has the CathyA3 Trifecta of Options, posted here many, many times.

To close the discussion, my attorney is calling me at 1:00 pm today to discuss options. My question or post was simply my doing my due diligence on the subject. Please bear in mind that our board alike many HOA boards is made up of naive individuals who have very little clue about corporate governance.

I have spent 35 + years managing banks which is one of the most highly regulated industries there are. I always go back to the idea that if it would not " fly " in a bank, actions of these boards should not " fly " anywhere.

Finally, Minnesota where I live is going through a HOA governance crises and this issue if just one of many regarding HOA boards and management companies. We are a consumer ( homeowner ) friendly state. I have attended legislative meetings and been on a task force to recommend new laws and put some teeth into the existing statues.

Finally, there is NO CONTRACT and that point is irrelevant.

What there is and continues to be a lack of transparency by all board members and where one member is being enriched by violating their fiduciary duty of not putting their personal gain above the general home owners.

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By PeterK9 on 02/13/2025 10:08 AM
Regarding Mn statute section 317A.255 Subdivision 1 (b) :

You missed the "or" at the end of (3). You missed the repetition in (2) and (3).

You did not reflect on how legislators added (1) so that a contract that was demonstrably "fair and reasonable" to the corporation would make (2), (3) and (4) unnecessary yada.

You missed the fact that (b) is saying that meeting any one of the conditions (1), (2), (3) or (4) means the contract between the director with the conflict and the HOA corporation is not voidable.

Regarding hiring a lawyer: At this time I cannot justify advising Peter to hire an attorney.

No court is going to order the board to get three bids.

If Peter does not think he can get together owners to vote out President-Director Slugworth, or he hasn't the energy to do so, then I think he has the CathyA3 Trifecta of Options, posted here many, many times.

To close the discussion, my attorney is calling me at 1:00 pm today to discuss options. My question or post was simply my doing my due diligence on the subject. Please bear in mind that our board alike many HOA boards is made up of naive individuals who have very little clue about corporate governance.

I have spent 35 + years managing banks which is one of the most highly regulated industries there are. I always go back to the idea that if it would not " fly " in a bank, actions of these boards should not " fly " anywhere.

Finally, Minnesota where I live is going through a HOA governance crises and this issue if just one of many regarding HOA boards and management companies. We are a consumer ( homeowner ) friendly state. I have attended legislative meetings and been on a task force to recommend new laws and put some teeth into the existing statues.

Finally, there is NO CONTRACT and that point is irrelevant.

What there is and continues to be a lack of transparency by all board members and where one member is being enriched by violating their fiduciary duty of not putting their personal gain above the general home owners.


Just out of interest, how much money is involved with the service being provided to the HOA?
PeterK9 (Minnesota)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Just out of interest, how much money is involved with the service being provided to the HOA?

$ 132,020 This is one of our largest discretionary day to day expenditures. By discretionary, I mean an expense subject to multiple bids which should have been documented and discussed.

Thanks for all of the positive comments regarding this issue.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I'll be interested to hear what the lawyer had to say about this.

I agree wholeheartedly with Kerry that co-ordinated homeowner action is the cheapest and fastest way to resolve this. Homeowners may remove a board member for whatever reason they darned well please - they are the final authority (assuming they've correctly followed procedures).

Legal action is a time-consuming and expensive way to achieve an uncertain outcome.

In this case, there are enough dollars on the line that Mr. Businessman may also choose to lawyer up and fight. If there is no language in the CC&Rs or bylaws that requires arbitration *in this particular situation*, he may well decide that it is not in his interest to play ball.

The eventual cost to all parties can exceed the value of the contract. And that's before the HOA's insurer gets a look at this and decides that this HOA is hazardous to the bottom line. Insurers in Minnesota are already thinking along those lines. The last thing individual HOAs should do is to invite closer scrutiny.

I always advocate for treating disputes strictly as financial decisions - get the emotions out of it. We have a low cost/low risk option available that can't be legally challenged unless the membership messes up. And we have a higher cost/risky option that can be challenged (risky because the limits on the expenses are undefined at this point). Seems like a no-brainer to me.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,333
Posted:
It sounds like the OP has a personal attorney. Maybe not an HOA attorney but that is okay. Peter's attorney may very well write a letter to the HOA. The HOA attorney may step in and fix at least some of the alleged slovenly practices here.

Money often buys justice.

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