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CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
From CAI:

"H.R. 425 To repeal the Corporate Transparency Act and S.100 A bill to repeal the Corporate Transparency Act were introduced in January 2025 by Representatives Warren Davidson (R-OH-8) and Senator Tommy Tuberville (R-AL).

If passed, both bills will completely repeal the CTA and its beneficial owner reporting requirements.

While the CTA’s reporting requirements are currently suspended due to a federal court injunction, a court ruling can bring them back into force at any time. One way to ensure community associations do not have to file beneficial owner reporting is for Congress to pass this legislation; which currently has momentum on Capitol Hill."

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Thanks for keeping everyone informed on this.

As everyone knows, the Act requires certain businesses to report information about their beneficial owners to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN). Non-compliance can result in fines and possible imprisonment. Here's what Google AI said about the pros and cons of the Act:

Pros

Combats corruption -The CTA helps prevent individuals from hiding their assets and income using shell companies.

Improves accountability -The CTA creates a national database of beneficial ownership information, which makes it easier for authorities to track corporate ownership.

Increases investor confidence - The CTA reduces the risk of hidden ownership and illicit financial activities, which can boost investor confidence.

Levels the playing field - The CTA helps smaller businesses by improving transparency in business activities.

Cons

Burdens small businesses - Some say the CTA puts an undue burden on small businesses, especially those that don't qualify for the large operating company exclusion.

Discourages reporting -If filers can't get the information they need, they might not file on time or at all. They might also file false information to meet deadlines.

Unlevel playing field - If some businesses choose to be transparent while others don't, it can create an unlevel playing field.

I'm sure there are more pros and cons to consider, but since our focus is on HOAs, I would amend the law to delete their reporting requirements. Normally, I'd be amazed that it's taken Congress this long to see that there are parts of the legislation that should be reconsidered, but considering the people in it, I'm not.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Too many people misunderstand the purposes of the CTA and how it works.

I saw one reader comment on CAI's website that said if the CTA had been in effect years ago, then we wouldn't have had the Surfside condo collapse - a complete misreading unless the reader thought that the shady developers and builders would have been in jail and not putting up poorly constructed condos.

As for the list of alleged benefits of the bill, I think it may possibly nibble around the edges around the problem. It may put a few small fry out of business. The big bad guys will be mildly inconvenienced but will go about their business regardless.

In exchange for this, any non-profit that relies on volunteer labor will be seriously hampered and many will not survive. Congress passed the volunteer Protection Act because they recognized that the threat of personal liability is a major deterrent for potential volunteers. (CAI even cited this fact in their recent brief to the Supreme Court.)

I noticed that all of the sponsors and co-sponsors of the two new bills are Republicans. Given that they're pretty much in control, I think there is a good chance that the CTA will be repealed. Many of those who support the aims of the CTA hate the law itself.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
As others have said, thank you for keeping us informed.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By CathyA3 on 01/24/2025 6:21 AM
In exchange for this, any non-profit that relies on volunteer labor will be seriously hampered and many will not survive.
Other than yourself, is anyone else saying this?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 01/24/2025 7:26 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 01/24/2025 6:21 AM
In exchange for this, any non-profit that relies on volunteer labor will be seriously hampered and many will not survive.
Other than yourself, is anyone else saying this?

CAI and their lawyers in their own lawsuit filings plus the recent amicus brief filed with the Supreme Court.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 01/24/2025 7:43 AM
Posted By ElleN on 01/24/2025 7:26 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 01/24/2025 6:21 AM
In exchange for this, any non-profit that relies on volunteer labor will be seriously hampered and many will not survive.
Other than yourself, is anyone else saying this?

CAI and their lawyers in their own lawsuit filings plus the recent amicus brief filed with the Supreme Court.

"any non-profit"? "any"?? I hope this was a post-o on your part.

Here is the amicus brief: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24A653/337003/20250110132626543_24A653%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf

I see nothing like the hyperbole you assert above. There is mention of some "chill." It is clear CAI means this "chill" applies strictly to (1) HOAs; and (2) HOA volunteers.

I see nothing about HOAs not surviving.

I do not like the CTA as it pertains to HOAs. But given that a failure to have a board of directors means receivership, I do not see the calamitous outcomes you (and you alone apparently) assert.

Given TikTok's Chinese ownership and the power of this social medium, I cannot say at this time that I am against the CTA overall.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 01/24/2025 7:43 AM
Posted By ElleN on 01/24/2025 7:26 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 01/24/2025 6:21 AM
In exchange for this, any non-profit that relies on volunteer labor will be seriously hampered and many will not survive.
Other than yourself, is anyone else saying this?


CAI and their lawyers in their own lawsuit filings plus the recent amicus brief filed with the Supreme Court.


Also, I imagine there is plenty in the Congressional record back when they debated the Volunteer Protect Act.

It's logical. In non-profits, the board may be paid. The director/upper management may be paid. But the day to day work is mostly done by volunteers, most of whom can't afford to risk their personal assets if things go wrong.

Volunteers also come and go with some regularity. If a non-profit is spending a significant chunk of time reporting and re-reporting every time someone leaves or someone new volunteers, they won't have enough time to do the work they were created to do.

If some or all of the work force walks off the job, how could that *not* seriously harm their ability to carry out their mission?

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
Update, as of 21 hours ago:

The Supreme Court stayed the federal injunction a lower court issued. Meaning the law is back in effect, with whatever deadlines now apply.

See https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5103064-supreme-court-reinstates-federal-anti-money-laundering-law/
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 01/24/2025 7:26 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 01/24/2025 6:21 AM
In exchange for this, any non-profit that relies on volunteer labor will be seriously hampered and many will not survive.
Other than yourself, is anyone else saying this?

Well, there have several conversations on this website where people discussed board members providing personal information (SSNs and such) to comply with the law, and many are concerned about this. HOAs have enough trouble getting volunteers, as you well know - how comfortable would YOU be if you had to cough up this type of information for a VOLUNTEER position?

Then there's the risk of scams (because crooks are always looking for new opportunities - look at this information on beneficial ownership information from FinCen (https://fincen.gov/boi):

FinCen has learned of fraudulent attempts to solicit information from individuals and entities who may be subject to reporting requirements under the Corporate Transparency Act. These fraudulent scams may include:

Correspondence that references a “Form 4022” or “Form 5102” is fraudulent. FinCEN does not have a “Form 4022” or a “Form 5102.” Do not send BOI to anyone by completing these forms.
Correspondence or other documents referencing a “US Business Regulations Dept.” This correspondence is fraudulent; there is no government entity by this name.
Please be on the lookout for anything that may indicate correspondence you receive is fraudulent. For example, be cautious of any of the following:

Correspondence requesting payment. There is NO fee to file BOI directly with FinCEN. FinCEN does NOT send correspondence requesting payment to file BOI. Do not send money in response to any mailing regarding filing your beneficial ownership information report that claims to be from FinCEN or another government agency.
Correspondence that asks the recipient to click on a suspicious URL or to scan a suspicious QR code. Those e-mails or letters could be fraudulent. Do not click any suspicious links or attachments or scan any suspicious QR codes.
Correspondence regarding penalties. FinCEN does NOT send initial correspondence regarding CTA penalties via e-mail or over the phone. Do not submit payments via phone, mail, or websites as requests/directions to do so are fraudulent.
Please be advised that the following statement that previously appeared at https://boir.org: “Boir.org (Beneficial Ownership Information Report) is an officially authorized service provider with the US Government or the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN)” was false.

Use caution when you receive correspondence from an unknown party. Verify the sender. Never give personal information, including regarding beneficial ownership to anyone unless you trust the other party.

FinCEN issued a public alert on December 18, 2024, to raise awareness of fraud schemes abusing FinCEN’s name, insignia, and authorities for financial gain—including scams that exploit beneficial ownership reporting.

You're welcome

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
Yesterday Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson was the only Justice who //publicly// dissented in the ruling.

Some history, lest anyone thinks this does break down along party lines (this is not known):

The CTA is a tiny part of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2021.

The NDA bill passed both the House and Senate with veto-proof majorities on December 11, 2020. On December 23, President Trump vetoed the bill. The House and Senate voted on December 28, 2020, and January 1, 2021, respectively, to override the veto; this was the only veto override of Trump's presidency.

What was the vote for overriding the veto?
Overridden by the House, 322-87 (20 Democrats, 66 GOPers and 1 indie {Mr. Amash} voted against the override)

Overridden by the Senate, 81–13 (5 Democrats, 7 GOPers and 1 indie {Mr. Sanders} voted against the override)

See wikipedia.

President Trump supposedly opposes the CTA.

-- ElleN
Indie or the "I want the truth" party.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 01/24/2025 8:03 AM
Posted By ElleN on 01/24/2025 7:26 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 01/24/2025 6:21 AM
In exchange for this, any non-profit that relies on volunteer labor will be seriously hampered and many will not survive.
Other than yourself, is anyone else saying this?


Well, there have several conversations on this website where people discussed board members providing personal information (SSNs and such) to comply with the law, and many are concerned about this.
Weeellll... that's nothing like the melodramatic (AFAIC) hyperbole posted by CathyA3 above.

If and when no one volunteers because of the CTA, you failed to address the alternative. Yes ma'am, the R-word.

I can appreciate that you think some possible volunteers would rather pay for a receiver.

I do not like the CTA for HOAs. But I disagree that it's such a horrible thing to give out the minimal identifying information (with alternatives) requested.

Since you like to start the day with snark: You too are welcome.

Boil over. Go ahead. Dare you. ;-)

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 01/24/2025 7:26 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 01/24/2025 6:21 AM
In exchange for this, any non-profit that relies on volunteer labor will be seriously hampered and many will not survive.
Other than yourself, is anyone else saying this?

I would be one to say this.

It's simply another log on the apathy fire.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
What really deserves an update?

The re-elected President's order freezing actions by the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department.

For now and for one thing, the Justice Department is not going to be filing suits on behalf of rather thoroughly vetted and investigated Fair Housing Act complainants.

I am only reporting the facts. I do not want to debate politics. The President was properly elected. The people have spoken, regardless of how people want to slice it. They (or those who supported Mr. Trump) want this. That's their right.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 01/24/2025 8:28 AM
Posted By ElleN on 01/24/2025 7:26 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 01/24/2025 6:21 AM
In exchange for this, any non-profit that relies on volunteer labor will be seriously hampered and many will not survive.
Other than yourself, is anyone else saying this?


I would be one to say this.

It's simply another log on the apathy fire.
Another log on the apathy fire is a far cry from the assertion that "any non-profit will be seriously hampered and many will not survive."
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By CathyA3 on 01/24/2025 8:00 AM

In non-profits, the board may be paid. The director/upper management may be paid. But the day to day work is mostly done by volunteers, most of whom can't afford to risk their personal assets if things go wrong.
?

Ma'am, first the CTA does not apply to charitable nonprofits. Second, even if the CTA did apply to charitable non-profits, rank-and-file volunteers would not fall into the category of individuals associated with the non-profit who have to report identifying information.

Rook (sic), I oppose the CTA's application to HOAs. But to say HOAs will be seriously hampered and many will not survive is absurd IMO. I mean: Not survive? Come on. They will go into receivership, if HOA members are so upset about providing copies of their driver's license (or using login.gov yada).
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
And in the continuing saga, another update from CAI:

"On Jan. 23, the U.S. Supreme Court granted the government’s motion to stay a nationwide injunction halting enforcement of the Corporate Transparency Act in Texas Top Cop Shop, Inc. v. McHenry—formerly, Texas Top Cop Shop v. Garland.

A separate nationwide order issued by a different federal judge in Texas (Smith v. U.S. Department of the Treasury) still remains in place.

As a result of these disparate decisions, reporting companies are not currently required to file beneficial ownership information with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network despite the high court’s action in Texas Top Cop Shop. Reporting companies also are not subject to liability if they fail to file this information while the Smith order remains in force. However, reporting companies may continue to voluntarily submit beneficial ownership information reports.

On Jan. 24, FinCEN issued the following guidance, “in light of the recent federal court order, reporting companies are not currently required to file beneficial ownership information with FinCEN and are not subject to liability if they fail to do so while the order remains in force. However, reporting companies may continue to voluntarily submit beneficial ownership information reports.”

TL;DR: As of today, reporting personal information is not required but may be done voluntarily.

I'm waiting for Abbott and Costello to make an appearance.
ArthurS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 32
Posted:
What's the latest on this? Google is sending me an article that says we have to submit by March 21st?
ArthurS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 32
Posted:
What's the latest on this? Google is sending me an article that says we have to submit by March 21st?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Both bills are currently in committee review.
Therefore, the process is starting but slowly.

regarding the legal cases: Per this article, and other articles (do an internet search on CTA court case status), the ban on the CTA was removed on February 17th. The US Dept of Treasury has placed a deadline of March 21, 2025 to file.

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