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TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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What am I missing? The president posted draft minutes on the bulletin board which is on a public street. The board has not seen or approved these minutes and they are not signed. They contain many errors, including the statement that my role as a new director is road maintenance which is completely false!
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 01/04/2025 6:18 AM
What am I missing? The president posted draft minutes on the bulletin board which is on a public street. The board has not seen or approved these minutes and they are not signed.
Don't these actions tend to comply with Civ Code 4950, https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Statutes/Civil-Code-4950
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Posted By TerriS6 on 01/04/2025 6:18 AM
They contain many errors, including the statement that my role as a new director is road maintenance which is completely false!
Truth to power: Whoever purposely put a lie about your board assignments into the Minutes is a jack-ass. An unchecked, rogue Board Secretary has much power to be unprofessional, lie and editorialize.

I think your options are limited until a board majority sees things as you do (which in general I recognize is to comply with the law). I think your strategy should be how to survive and not go nuts until such a point (of having a like-minded board majority) is reached.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Did you talk to the president about this? If not, why not- you already know he doesn't like you, but if this is the first time he's done this, it would be interesting to see why he felt compelled to do it this time.

If these were identified as draft minutes, I would hope people understand they aren't official until after the board takes a formal vote. Before that, the errors should be identified and corrected, then the board can vote to approve them with corrections. At least that's how my community does it.

If all this was done to embarrass you (and thats a possibility), you'll have to decide what happens next. This isn't the first skirmish you've written about and since it appears he won't stop, you need to consider how you’ll react going forward. Personally, if I were on your board, I'd call for an executive session and then tell both of you to either find a way to work together or both of you need to leave the board. The president should be reminded you were duly appointed to the position and there's too much association business that needs to be addressed and this dart throwing is getting in the way.

As for you, we only hear one side of the story, so I don't know how much you're contributing to this drama.
Unfortunately so much has happened between you, the president and his wife (can't forget her, although she hasnt cone up lately), it's getting harder to tell the legit issues from personal beef between the two of you. You two don't like each other, but you're on the board together for better or worse. You said someone nominated you for some reason- I wonder if he or she did that just to sit back and watch the explosion.

Since you said these were draft minutes, focus on that. Every time he tries to snap at you, do your best to keep cool. It may take a while, but eventually he'll have to find another way to get rid of you and then you can address that. Until then, people need to see the differences - you're trying to find ways to make the community better while he focuses on keeping power.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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These are draft minutes and in Calif., these must be available to owners who request them in writing 30 days after the relevant open board meeting. There is no requirement, however, that they be posted.

Are they stamped "draft?" If not, what if you write DRAFT in big letters on the posting?

You'll made amendments & corrections to the minutes at the next one Board meeting before they are approved by the Board with its vote.

Since roads are the only responsibility your HOA has, It seems like it's be and of an honor to have such a large obligation in your HOA's context.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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They don't comply with 4950. There is no requirement to post draft minutes but only to supply them to a member who asks for them.

The Secretary writes draft minutes then turns them over to the president who finishes them. There are never draft minutes for the board to approve.

In 6 years, my request for minutes has never been answered.

These were not identified as draft minutes.

I requested in writing that they be taken down until the board can finalize them.

I suppose if they are not finalized by the board, and not signed by the Secretary, they don't mean anything in reality.

The crazy thing is that no votes took place. I think it's more a propaganda message to members. And, yes, my side is just one side for sure.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Thanks everyone for your time and advice!
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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So....you won't write "DRAFT" on them?

The board does not "finalize" draft minutes. It "approves" them after amendments and corrections & amendments, if any.

Say, Why not place "Approve draft minutes of the xx//xx/2024 open Board meeting" on the next open minute agenda?
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 01/04/2025 1:51 PM
So....you won't write "DRAFT" on them?

The board does not "finalize" draft minutes. It "approves" them after amendments and corrections & amendments, if any.

Say, Why not place "Approve draft minutes of the xx//xx/2024 open Board meeting" on the next open minute agenda?

They are behind glass.

Last time I used my own copy of the meeting notice and agenda to write the Zoom access code on it, I was threatened with discipline.

I already sent my desired agenda items including approve draft minutes but have heard nothing. If nothing appears, I will move to add everything onto next agenda if we ever have another meeting.
DeanJ
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Posted By TerriS6 on 01/04/2025 6:18 AM
What am I missing? The president posted draft minutes on the bulletin board which is on a public street. The board has not seen or approved these minutes and they are not signed. They contain many errors, including the statement that my role as a new director is road maintenance which is completely false!

Sounds like you will do a great job with road maintenance. LOL.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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I'm the new scapegoat.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Correction: I'm still the scapegoat but for a new reason!
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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If my role was road maintenance, the first thing I would do is demand that anyone who spent association funds without board approval must return the total spent within 30 days!
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Terri wrote: "Last time I used my own copy of the meeting notice and agenda to write the Zoom access code on it, I was threatened with discipline."

What does this mean?

As we've discussed previously, the Board or prez cannot "discipline" you unless your Board has a policy that was approved by the Board to discipline board members.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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I wrote about this previously. Nothing has come of it.

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