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MikeC6 (Illinois)
Posts: 30
Posted:
We have a rule that states that there are to be no Commercial vehicles parked in our subdivision. We have a neighbor that has not followed the rule and just ignores our requests to remove it. What kind of fine has anyone imposed on someone like this? Our covenents say we can impose a fine.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
MikeC6 - Prior to imposing a fine, notice to alert the owner, a time period to correct the action, and an opportunity to have a hearing pertaining to the action is the tried and true method to get resolution. Check out CharlesW1's post "Suggestion/ideas on how to collect previously owed assessments?" and download the documents he has pertaining to fines. This may assist you with what other associations do but your by-laws should speak to your association's own procedure.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Mike,
Because your documents allow you to fine, that is the first good step. Do your documents have any wording as to how and how much you are allowed? If you do not have that in writting, then go to your State Statutes or Regulations for H.O.A.s and see if they have limitations. If the State does not, then your Board needs to get some proceedure together, send out letters to this guy and let the process begin. But it must be non selective and in compliance with the State or your own documents. We fine $100.00 per day with a maximum of $1000.00 because of our State limitations per the Statutes.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
Just for a sense of comparative perspective, our HOA attorney informs us that in Georgia the courts have upheld fines of $25/day.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
and remember, many states allow you to fine people for code violations, but you cannot file a lien on their home for failure to pay. check your state laws. your mileage may vary. some assembly required. batteries not included.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnO6 on 02/13/2008 11:19 AM
Just for a sense of comparative perspective, our HOA attorney informs us that in Georgia the courts have upheld fines of $25/day.

JohnO6,

The $25.00 a day fine may very well be a Georgia state statue however, the BOD would need to verify daily to be certain of compliance prior to issuing the fines, I believe!

Our association had problems with this form of fining in the past, and it was just WAY to much work (being volunteers). We felt our governing documents were written best.

The BOD felt we would give the HO in violation either or options to comply.

If they hadn’t complied in 15 day they are assessed a fine, given another 15 days to comply and if they are still found to have not complied. We issue SELF-HELP is performed and the HO is charged.

We find this method to be best among HO residing with our community.
Bottom line is we want compliance it isn’t about accumulated additional money.

Just my opinion though
Chuck W

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
"SELF-HELP is performed and the HO is charged." Self-help? You are entering their property? Your documents may give you the right to do so, but you could be liable for any real or imagined damage caused by your entry. And do you find they will pay this charge any faster than they would pay a fine?
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By HaroldS on 02/14/2008 9:29 AM
"SELF-HELP is performed and the HO is charged." Self-help? You are entering their property? Your documents may give you the right to do so, but you could be liable for any real or imagined damage caused by your entry. And do you find they will pay this charge any faster than they would pay a fine?

HaroldS,

NO, generally we don’t receive payment any quicker although, it does encourage the HO to comply prior too implementing “self-help” Besides it provides for a better looking community, immediately. The assed charges will then be added to the HO’s account and eventually a lien can be filed due to the unpaid fines, as per: Georgia state statue. Eventually the bill is paid, mean while the association is maintaining it’s prestige appearance and the violation has been corrected.

The board personally doesn’t enter the property. A licensed and bounded service has/will though.

I knew many may think it a bad idea and in some cases it isn’t encouraged at all. However, “self-help” will ALWAYS achive compliance immediately.

Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Harold,

There are many documents throughout the association world that make the statement to " If an owner fails to correct a violation concerning repair and replacement of an physical item, the Board may have such item repaired or replaced by the association at the owners expense." This is not uncommon at all. It is especially relevant in condos and villas where there are shared common elements such as walls, roofs, entries, etc. Here again, someone has to be in charge and have the final say-so when you get an owner in non compliance and refuses to follow what their documents state as for maintenance and replacements.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
CharlesW1 -

Just for the sake of clarity, the $25/day I quoted was not a GA statute - rather it was the experinece of our HOA attorney in that GA judges have upheld such a fine IF the HOA's covenants permitted fining, and if these covenants did not address the amount of fines.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Donna - from previous posts by Charles, I didn't think his association was condos. Further complicating the issue was his use of the term "self help" but now he says it is really hired contractors who would enter the property. I'm not sure how that can be labeled self help. In our association, we actually have a real "self help committee" composed of volunteers willing to make minor repairs to COMMON areas which they are capable of doing without the expense of hiring someone to do it. We are fortunate to have several "handyman" residents that are willing to do this, such as quickly painting over graffiti (actually a woman who always carries the paint essentials in her vehicle!), replacing sprinkler heads, repairs to our entrance sign, replacing trees and bushes, etc. They are never sent onto private property to effect corrections.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Harold,
That's the way association should work and it is when most everyone pitches in for a common cause and they then can call it "their community." I am glad to hear that you guys out there in the wild , wild west do have that partnership working well for you.

One major problems is when you get "part time" owners and absentee landlords. That becomes every man for themselves. This is then when associations sometimes have to take over for owners who don't care or are not available, hence the rule of doing the repairs and maintenances and billing owners.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnO6 on 02/14/2008 10:15 AM
CharlesW1 -

Just for the sake of clarity, the $25/day I quoted was not a GA statute - rather it was the experinece of our HOA attorney in that GA judges have upheld such a fine IF the HOA's covenants permitted fining, and if these covenants did not address the amount of fines.

JohnO6,

I apologize. I took for granted that the $25.00 a day was a Georgia state statue.
Do you have a limit to the extent of the fines, a “cut-off” so to speak?
Do you verify that the HO is still in violation on a daily basis? Just curious to know how your association handles that.

Thanks for the clarification.
Best of luck.
Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
Charles -

Fortunately, we've never actually had to impose that fine (come close a couple of times, but the homeowner has always relented).

Of course, we're a relatively small HOA (just over 100 units) and there's not too much controversy .. .. ..

Again, my original purpose was just to share whatever knowledge I've gained - and since my HOA too is in Georgia I thought it might be relevant to your situation.

JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Mike:

We have been dealing with this exact same issue for two years. We had six commercial vehicles being parked in the community over night.
Our Management Company contated every one by letter, then a second letter, and after non compliance they were sent a third letter calling them before the board for a hearing.
No shows were automatically fined the first $25.00. Our process then escaltes to $50.00, then $100.00 then $250.00.
All but two now cover the lettering on the vehicles with magnets they had made by their employers.
Our Management Company also notified the company these people were working for and told them our community was not a parking facility for their company trucks, and they would be towed.
The two who have not come into compliance are self employed and we have put liens against their homes until the fines are paid. The interest on the fines will accrue and in the end they will pay. One homeowner however has failed to pay his assessement fees since moving into the community, and is in debt to the Association for several thousand dollars.
In the end we will get the monies owed, but not until he attempts to sell his home.
Good luck on yours.----If they are company owned vehicles you might want to contact the folks they work for. Most companies are not aware their employees live in an HOA.
Jim
SidneyP (Florida)
Posts: 302
Posted:
I am a bit confused about the NO COMMERCIAL vehicle parking. We have this also in our Townhouse community and we have violaters (one being the V.President)....We also have a no parking in the street rule but were told there is nothing we can do abput this because they are county owned and county maintained. So how do we have the right to enforce the commercial vehicles parked on a county street?....Was this question solely for Condo's?
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Sidney:

Ours is a private community of 167 Townhomes, and we also have a county street leading into our community.
A homeowners association has no authority to enforce any rules govering county roads.
We can enforce our rules/regulations on our property because we are a private community, and the parking areas are considered common areas overseen by the Board of Directors, and the Management Company. No homeowner living in our community owns the parking space in front of their homes.

Jim

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