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SjS1 (Virginia)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Hi everyone and Happy 2025

I am in an incorporated HOA in VA that was established around 2005 and turned over to the members by the developer in 2014. I and other members are trying very hard to understand what is going on with our HOA Board of Directors (BOD), governing documents, and what recourse we have on many different topics (BOD negligence, violation of open meeting requirements, conflict of interest/bias, harassment of association members, etc.).

My post today (this is my first ever post here) is related to BOD member elections. Normally BOD elections take place at our annual meeting and each term is set at 3 years (based on our bylaws).

Here is the excerpt from our bylaws on BOD elections:
“Election of Directors. Except for designation of Directors by Declarant, as herein before provided, election of Directors shall be conducted in the following manner:

1. Election of directors shall be held within 45 days from the date that developer control period ends pursuant to the provisions of the Declaration.
2. A nominating committee of three (3) members shall be appointed by the then existing Board not less than thirty (30) days prior to the annual members' meeting. The Committee shall nominate at least one for each director then serving. Nominations may be made from the floor.
3. The election shall be by secret ballot (unless dispensed with by unanimous consent) and by a plurality of the votes cast. There shall be no cumulative voting.
4. Except as to vacancies created by removal of directors by members, vacancies in the Board occurring between annual meetings of members shall be filled by the remaining directors.
5. At the first election, the candidate receiving the most votes shall serve a three (3) year term. The candidate receiving the second greatest number of votes will serve a two (2) year term and the candidate with the least votes a one (1) year term. In subsequent elections the directors will be elected for a three (3) year term.”

Based on the statement in our bylaws, “In subsequent elections the directors will be elected for a three (3) year term.”, does the 3-year term normally follow the BOD member (i.e. the person themselves has only a 3-year term on the BOD, before another election must be conducted, no matter what position they will be filling on the BOD)? I ask because there is currently an issue with BOD members “leap frogging” between positions on the BOD to extend their time on the board well past 3 years (without a new election being conducted).

Also, during the past three years:
• One annual meeting did not meet member quorum but the annual election still took place and new BOD members were brought onto the BOD.
• One annual meeting occurred at which the BOD did not continue to attempt to meet quorum (with follow on meetings) for the annual BOD elections so the BOD just decided to skip the election that year and all stayed on as BOD members for another year. ** Two months later, the BOD members appointed 2 additional BOD members without any member voting or notification taking place.
• One annual meeting occurred where an unauthorized candidate was elected (our BOD members must have their name on the deed and this person did not); the person resigned part way into their first year on the BOD but not for the reason of being an unauthorized BOD member.

Are those BOD elections during the past 3 years all invalid and does that call into question any BOD motions/actions conducted during those years?

While I was reviewing our bylaws, I also found something extremely concerning in another section of our bylaws related to Officers:

"The officers of the Association shall be a President, one or more Vice Presidents, a Treasurer, a Secretary, and, if desired, one or more Assistant Secretaries, all of whom shall be elected annually by the Board and who may be peremptorily removed by a majority vote of the directors at any meeting. Any person may hold two or more offices, except that the President shall not also be the Secretary or an Assistant Secretary. The Board may, from time to time, elect such other officers and designate to manage the affairs of the Association.”

Does that statement mean that our BOD members/officers should be being elected annually by the BOD and not by the association members or does it mean something else? Has anyone else seen that statement in their governing documents?

Any advice/experience on this would be extremely helpful – is all of this normal verbiage and activities for an HOA or have our elections been being done incorrectly and members have reason to be raising complaints?

Thank you very much
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
First a question because I may have missed it: are the three board terms staggered? By this I meant that one term expires every year, someone is elected to fill that term, and at the end of the term the incumbent must either run for re-election or step down.

I'm going to assume that your terms are staggered. It's pretty common and can lead to chaos otherwise.

Regarding your questions about leap frogging, it helps to understand the difference between a director (ie. board member) and an officer.

Directors normally are elected by the membership at the annual election. These directors then decide who is going to fill which officer position, generally based on the person's interests and skills. Think of the officer positions as job descriptions.

Directors/board members serve at the pleasure of the membership, are elected by them, and can be removed by them. Removal usually only happens if a board member is clearly failing in their duties or is doing something bad (eg. embezzling).

If a director resigns prior to the end of his term and before the annual election, the remaining board members generally appoint a replacement to complete the remained of the vacant term (*). This is the only exception to the membership controlling who is on the board. (* There are some nuances to what is considered "the remainder of the term". I won't get into that now because it's confusing.)

Regarding leap frogging: I'm going to assume that you mean a board member whose term has expired decides to just jump into another term. If someone's term expires, then he's off the board unless he is re-elected by the membership to a new three-year term (the usual route) or is appointed by the board to a term that is currently vacant but won't expire for some time. In both cases, the decision is in the hands of someone other than the person whose term expired.

Where this can get confusing is that many community's boards are revolving doors, with people resigning before the end of their terms and new people being appointed (assuming anyone is willing to serve). It can indeed look like someone is playing games. And in fact occasionally someone will deliberately leap frog, either through ignorance or through deliberate misbehavior. We had an instance of the first situation (ignorance) in my community. I'd been appointed to fill an empty term and was trying to sort out who was serving which term (we have staggered three-year terms). Our board president, who was supposed to stand for re-election at the previous annual meeting, casually mentioned that she's just stepped into a new three-year term without being elected. I got bug-eyed and said "OMG no - you can't do that, you're not actually on the board right now". We sorted things out promptly (with the association attorney's blessing because our technically-not-a-board-member had signed some contracts during this period). This is a big deal since it could invalidate board actions taken while this person's status was up in the air, including the signed contracts.

It's also confusing to observers because bona fide directors can change officer positions - and in fact it appears your bylaws require it. This is unusual, and IMHO it's counterproductive. If you have a treasurer with financial skills, why on earth would you want to replace him with someone who doesn't understand math or money? I understand maybe wanting to develop wider expertise among board members. But given the usual rapid turnover on community association boards (it's the norm for condominiums), then I think it's an unrealistic goal. People who don't understand math and money won't understand it any better if forced to deal with it - they'll either do nothing at all (you hope) or they'll make messes that have to be cleaned up. If I were on your board, I'd recommend amending your bylaws to remove the 1-year limit on officer positions. It's not going to happen no matter how hard the board tries to comply, and boards have better things to worry about.

Holding multiple officer positions is fine, with some exceptions. I was Secretary/Treasurer in the first condo community I served in. You do want someone who can act if the president can't or won't act. You don't want the person who signs contracts also to cut checks - it makes embezzlement too easy, and auditors will generally cite it.

This is a lot of information, and I see that I used the word "confusing" a lot. :-) In short: homeowners elect directors/board members. Directors appoint officers. Directors are the decision makers for the HOA (they vote on matters before the board). They may have other duties according to which officer position they hold.

Please ask questions if something I said doesn't make sense to you.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Officers are elected by the board of directors, not the members, whenever there is a change in the board. If a director is an officer too, when his term as a director ends, he no longer can be an officer.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Now that the background info is out of the way... :-)

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Posted By SjS1 on 01/01/2025 11:31 PM

Also, during the past three years:
• One annual meeting did not meet member quorum but the annual election still took place and new BOD members were brought onto the BOD.
• One annual meeting occurred at which the BOD did not continue to attempt to meet quorum (with follow on meetings) for the annual BOD elections so the BOD just decided to skip the election that year and all stayed on as BOD members for another year. ** Two months later, the BOD members appointed 2 additional BOD members without any member voting or notification taking place.
• One annual meeting occurred where an unauthorized candidate was elected (our BOD members must have their name on the deed and this person did not); the person resigned part way into their first year on the BOD but not for the reason of being an unauthorized BOD member.

Are those BOD elections during the past 3 years all invalid and does that call into question any BOD motions/actions conducted during those years?


For these elections, the first is clearly a problem. No action may be taken at any association meeting (including board meetings) without a quorum of the relevant participants.

When a community fails to make quorum at the annual meeting, it's possible that they're allowed to re-try with a lower quorum number. This will depend on your bylaws and/or state laws governing your type of community association (or non=profit corporate law if your state doesn't have specific community association laws). If they fail at achieving the lower quorum number, then the current board remains in place and you try again next year. So you kinda got it right and kinda got it wrong (possibly).

For the third, it's good that the invalid board member resigned. The reason doesn't matter for a resignation - one is as good as another. The board would normally appoint a new director person to the now-vacant position. (Your bylaws should address this since vacancies are common.)

I'll note that the nominating committee should be vetting candidates. On the other hand, if your bylaws allow for nominations from the floor, an invalid candidate can easily get elected. I'll also note that the definition of "owner" varies by state. In my state, someone who is legally married to the person whose name is on the deed is considered an owner and eligible to serve on the board - they don't also have to be listed on the deed.

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While I was reviewing our bylaws, I also found something extremely concerning in another section of our bylaws related to Officers:

"The officers of the Association shall be a President, one or more Vice Presidents, a Treasurer, a Secretary, and, if desired, one or more Assistant Secretaries, all of whom shall be elected annually by the Board and who may be peremptorily removed by a majority vote of the directors at any meeting. Any person may hold two or more offices, except that the President shall not also be the Secretary or an Assistant Secretary. The Board may, from time to time, elect such other officers and designate to manage the affairs of the Association.”


This language is very common. It says that the officers serve at the pleasure of the board and may be removed with or without cause. If the board agrees that someone else would be better in the treasurer position, then they can remove the current person even if that person really really really wants to stay on as treasurer. The sentence about the President not being the Secretary or Assistance Secretary boils down to the duties of these last two officers. One of them is acting for the President if the President is unavailable. If one person fills all three positions, then you have no backup - and this can be bad.

So, the membership doesn't elect or appoint officers. They elect the directors/board members. The directors then decide who will fill the officer positions. This is the norm in community associations. So no worries here.

I'm not surprised that people are baffled by this stuff. Board members have to know A LOT, and they have to actively seek out the information. And much of it is on-the-job training - knowing the theory isn't the same as putting it into practice. I'm in my 16th year of board service (and spent 18 years working for a new home builder), and I still learn new things. It's one tough gig. But that's why the pay us the big bucks. (Yes, that was snark.)

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By TerriS6 on 01/02/2025 5:35 AM
Officers are elected by the board of directors, not the members, whenever there is a change in the board. If a director is an officer too, when his term as a director ends, he no longer can be an officer.

OK, this is getting into the weeds a bit, but officer positions do not necessarily have to be filled by a director, with the President being one notable exception. If the director resigns or is not re-elected, the board can appoint this person to the officer position as long as this is consistent with the bylaws. It's not at all unusual to fill the Treasurer position with a homeowner who has the necessary expertise because the board doesn't have it.

In fact, one of our ad hoc officer positions was filled by a tenant. There were other problems with this, but the officer being a tenant was not an issue since our bylaws allow it.

The OP can ignore this detour for now since this situation is highly dependent on a community's bylaws, which can vary.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Yes, but an officer can't vote.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
There is no leap frogging. The director (person) is elected for a 3 year term. If the person does not serve their entire term (between elections) the board may fill the opening until the next election, not the entire term of the open position. At the next election, the open seat will be filled by election for the term remaining,

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Also, if there is no quorum, no election takes place and the board can fill the seats with who they want. Allowing members to vote without a quorum is OK, but the person is basically still just an appointment by the board for 1 year.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,335
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Posted By SjS1 on 01/01/2025 11:31 PM

Based on the statement in our bylaws, “In subsequent elections the directors will be elected for a three (3) year term.”, does the 3-year term normally follow the BOD member (i.e. the person themselves has only a 3-year term on the BOD, before another election must be conducted, no matter what position they will be filling on the BOD)? I ask because there is currently an issue with BOD members “leap frogging” between positions on the BOD to extend their time on the board well past 3 years (without a new election being conducted).
The 3-year term follows the specific person who was elected by the owners at an annual meeting to this term. Otherwise staggering does not serve its intended purpose.

The real problem is convincing the current board that this is so. Your best bet is to urge them to seek advice of a HOA attorney. Hopefully the HOA attorney will explain to them the obvious: Messing with the staggering (leapfrogging?) defeats the purpose of staggering.

Caveat: A rogue HOA attorney looking to promote arguments and so his/her billable hours will do whatever the board wants.

I checked the Virginia Nonstock Corporation Act and the Virginia HOA Act. The Nonstock Corporation Act has a little to say about this. The HOA Act is silent on the point.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,335
Posted:
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Posted By SjS1 on 01/01/2025 11:31 PM
While I was reviewing our bylaws, I also found something extremely concerning in another section of our bylaws related to Officers:

"The officers of the Association shall be a President, one or more Vice Presidents, a Treasurer, a Secretary, and, if desired, one or more Assistant Secretaries, all of whom shall be elected annually by the Board and who may be peremptorily removed by a majority vote of the directors at any meeting. Any person may hold two or more offices, except that the President shall not also be the Secretary or an Assistant Secretary. The Board may, from time to time, elect such other officers and designate to manage the affairs of the Association.”

Does that statement mean that our BOD members/officers should be being elected annually by the BOD
Correct. Such a HOA bylaw is usual nationwide.

The only reason I can imagine that this would be concerning is if one perhaps does not yet grok the difference between officers and directors.

What is your concern?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
From the Bylaws, this shows the requirement for staggered terms: "5. At the first election, the candidate receiving the most votes shall serve a three (3) year term. The candidate receiving the second greatest number of votes will serve a two (2) year term and the candidate with the least votes a one (1) year term. In subsequent elections the directors will be elected for a three (3) year term.”

BUT, sometimes boards get confused and end up with terms that aren't staggared. In these situation, a board can comprise all new green directors simultaneously and this is NOT good for the Association. This happened in my HOA, our HOA attorney advised that at the next election (Board of 7; 2-year terms ), 3 directors were elected to 2 years and 2 to 1 year. This reestablished staggered terms.

Agree with Cathy & Ellen: Yes, the Board must elect officers annually. This statement is very common. No worries here.

The OP keeps referring to "quorum," but I see no requirement in the Bylaws that there be a particular quorum of owners to elect directors. Our recently restated Bylaws requires no quorum. The OP's Bylaws say, "3. The election shall be by secret ballot... and by a plurality of the votes cast." Is there a quorum requirement elsewhere in the governing documented? SjS1?

With Cathy, depending on the Bylaws, non-directors might be permitted to be an officer. Our HOA did appoint a non-owner as treasurer when every director refused to serve in that office. The board has complete control over officers and may appoint and dismiss them at an open meeting with/without cause. Only directors may vote at Board meetings, of course. It IS, after all, a meeting of the Board.

The way, our small group of owners, who'd together studied our Bylaws and state law took over a rogue Board was by running 3 candidates at the next annual election. We campaigned as a slate and sent a joint letter to all owner urging them to vote for us. We emphasized that we agreed on many things we were independent thinkers who each wanted improvemt to our community.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
My pathetic math. We elected 4 directors to serve 2 years and 2 3 to serve one year to re-estabilsh staggered terms.

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