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SheilaR5 (California)
Posts: 42
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My end unit condo constantly has people bringing their dogs in front of my front door or on the side of my unit to go to the bathroom. Today I got a dog poop violation with a photo of multiple different size dog poop in an area between 3 condo units. I do not ever take my dog back there. I sent about 20 videos of random people with their dogs walking in front of my front door and over in that area. Why in the world would a board member take a photo of poop and randomly accuse one person that lives in the vicinity of that Common area? If they are going to accuse only my dog then I would like them to partition off the entire area around my condo so I can’t be blamed for every Tom, Dick and Hairy that walks their dogs past my condo. Anyone else have this problem?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Are the yards common elements? I assume so since you're living in a condo.

Do your CC&Rs have a pet restriction? Does it say that pet owners are required to clean up solid waste that their dogs are depositing? If so, then here's what you should do.

First, file a written response/dispute with the board stating that the dog poop was not from your dog. Then request a hearing on the violation, which you're probably entitled to. This will at least slow down this process.

Then you need to get evidence (video) of the culprits leaving their messes, and file a formal written complaint with video for each of the dog owners (separate complaints).

It goes without saying that you do need to clean up after your own dog as well. I can understand why the board may think that you're entirely responsible for the mess. But you'll have a hard time complaining about others' behavior if you're guilty of the same violation. And among other things, your dog's "doings" will attract other dogs who will want to make a deposit on the same spot. Fencing off a spot for your exclusive use is almost certainly a violation of your CC&Rs, so it's not something that the board can do.

If your CC&Rs do not require owners to clean up solid waste, then your community has a different problem. Please respond if that's the case.

(Some HOA boards have gone as far as DNA testing to identify irresponsible pet owners. But that costs money, and it isn't reasonable to expect the responsible owners and folks who don't even own pets to foot the bill for this. Some communities have installed pet waste stations - also an expense and ugly as the seven deadly sins, but it may be a solution if the community has the Dreaded Poop Problem.)
SheliaH (Indiana)
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I also live at the end of my street (townhouse community) and have the same problem. I can't catch everyone, but I HAVE gone outside and spoken to people in a nice but firm manner. Nice and firm is critical because these days you don't know who's packing.

Usually, they apologize and some try to make excuses ("I thought I bought enough bags with me" when there's nothing on their person where they could hold the bags!) One guy tried to play dumb (so what do you want me to do?) I handed him two plastic bags and made him clean it up - as he worked, I said things like "I'm trying to keep my yard neat and DO NOT want dog shit in my yard, etc. etc." Haven't seen him since.

I think people are so stunned when they're confronted like this they have no choice but to straighten up and fly right. I know some people probably see me as the somewhat cranky lady on the corner because of this, but whatever works. However, when I've worked in my yard and see people walk by with pooper scoopers and what not, I stop and thank them for being considerate to their neighbors. That works too.

While you're preparing your appeal to the HOA, try Googling "dog repellant for yard" and you come up with stuff like this: "Dogs tend to dislike the smell of citrus. Placing orange, lemon, or lime peels around the perimeter of your lawn can deter them. Vinegar: A mixture of vinegar and water can be sprayed in areas where you want to keep dogs away. The strong smell is unappealing to them." There are sprays you can buy, but you'll have to keep reapplying it. If you know where the dog owners live, you can take photos and contact the city (this is a form of littering and you can be ticketed). My mother did that with her neighbor and he ended up paying a considerable fine - and eventually gave up the dog. Don't know if that was the cause, but again, whatever works....

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Sounds like your board needs to communicate with the membership. If that doesn't work, maybe they should cordon off those areas. Your videos should be proof enough. You can ask for IDR if the board persists. They are required to send you a meet and confer notice before taking any action against you.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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See CA Civil Code Sections 5900. - 5920.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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I would buy a one or two surveillance cameras that can catch the violators. These usually have push notifications that can record when they sense motion.
Every incident can be recorded so you can show your board.

One camera in particular is wireless and the name of the camera is the first name of a male folk singer.
DeanJ
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Posted By SheilaR5 on 12/24/2024 1:42 AM
My end unit condo constantly has people bringing their dogs in front of my front door or on the side of my unit to go to the bathroom. Today I got a dog poop violation with a photo of multiple different size dog poop in an area between 3 condo units. I do not ever take my dog back there. I sent about 20 videos of random people with their dogs walking in front of my front door and over in that area. Why in the world would a board member take a photo of poop and randomly accuse one person that lives in the vicinity of that Common area? If they are going to accuse only my dog then I would like them to partition off the entire area around my condo so I can’t be blamed for every Tom, Dick and Hairy that walks their dogs past my condo. Anyone else have this problem?

Don’t ask me. I have never figured out why multi unit condos allow dogs. The amount of exercise and potty areas are usually rather limited and any barking is going to heard in the adjoining unit.
DeanJ
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Posted By DeanJ on 12/24/2024 9:02 AM
Posted By SheilaR5 on 12/24/2024 1:42 AM
My end unit condo constantly has people bringing their dogs in front of my front door or on the side of my unit to go to the bathroom. Today I got a dog poop violation with a photo of multiple different size dog poop in an area between 3 condo units. I do not ever take my dog back there. I sent about 20 videos of random people with their dogs walking in front of my front door and over in that area. Why in the world would a board member take a photo of poop and randomly accuse one person that lives in the vicinity of that Common area? If they are going to accuse only my dog then I would like them to partition off the entire area around my condo so I can’t be blamed for every Tom, Dick and Hairy that walks their dogs past my condo. Anyone else have this problem?


Don’t ask me. I have never figured out why multi unit condos allow dogs. The amount of exercise and potty areas are usually rather limited and any barking is going to heard in the adjoining unit.

And add, if the units share common entrances those who really don’t like dogs have be in proximity like it or not and getting dog hair on their shoes and clothing .
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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In my area, condos and apartment complexes that prohibit dogs or pets in general are a small minority. Apparently enough people own pets that prohibiting them cuts into sales and rentals, or some such. Apartments have it easier. They can evict problem tenants with problem pets, and most of the well-managed complexes in my area have a zero tolerance policy for rule violations. Apartments can also charge pet owners a surcharge and pass on the costs of dealing with pet issues to the pet owners. Condos don't have these options, which does make you wonder why condos are as popular as they are.

Setting aside space for doggie latrines causes other problems. Pet waste isn't "fertilizer". It destroys the grass. It stinks and attracts vermin and flies that carry diseases. And sick pets can pass their diseases to other pets through their waste. If the area is close to something like a detention pond, the waste can be washed into the pond by heavy rains and end up in the rainwater drainage system. (Our county water officials have Thoughts and Opinions about that.) And nobody in the right mind wants to live next door to the latrine, so it ruins property values for at least some condo owners.

Clean up after your pets. It's disgusting and nobody's idea of a desirable neighbor.

SheilaR5 (California)
Posts: 42
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Hello, Yes all the land is considered Common Area. I have no way of stoping people from coming in front or beside my condo. Unfortunately, since I am an end unit, it is quite a popular area. It left me bewildered that any board member would assume any poop in the vicinity is my dog. My dog does not go over there, my dog is walked Away from anyones condo as I wish others would do the same. There are actually 3 units closer to that spot than mine. No response from all the videos I sent the property manager.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By SheilaR5 on 12/24/2024 11:01 AM
Hello, Yes all the land is considered Common Area. I have no way of stoping people from coming in front or beside my condo. Unfortunately, since I am an end unit, it is quite a popular area. It left me bewildered that any board member would assume any poop in the vicinity is my dog. My dog does not go over there, my dog is walked Away from anyones condo as I wish others would do the same. There are actually 3 units closer to that spot than mine. No response from all the videos I sent the property manager.

First let me say, assumption is the mother of all F ups. Second, it sounds like your condo association needs a dog walk, relief area.
Does your association provide any relief stations with poo bags and a waste basket?

We have the same problem in my HOA of 300 SFH. There is dog scat of all shapes and sizes. WE can post pretty please messages in the newsletter
til the cows come home, but the problem still persist and we can't do a dang thing about it. I might add, we can't distinguish dog scat from
coyote scat. Yes Wille E does scrounge around my neighborhood quite frequently.

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