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LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Just got this from our attorney:

At approximately 1:30pm Eastern Time on December 23, 2024, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit (Fifth Circuit) revived the immediate enforceability of the Corporate Transparency Act (CTA). In Texas Top Cop Shop, Inc. v. Garland, a three-judge panel of the Fifth Circuit stayed a lower court's nationwide preliminary injunction against the CTA, which was issued on December 3, 2024. This means that, among other obligations, the January 1, 2025, compliance deadline for reporting companies in existence as of January 1, 2024, is back in effect.

Good thing we already filed. Happy Holidays!
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
And Merry Christmas to you, too, United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. May your stockings be filled with interesting things.
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
Posted:
The deadline was extended to January 13, 2025, since this decision was made so quickly. But associations need to file asap. Not great timing, unfortunately.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Latest update:

Within hours of the Fifth Circuit's ruling that lifted a nationwide preliminary injunction against the CTA, FinCEN announced that it had extended certain compliance deadlines, including:

Reporting companies created or registered prior to January 1, 2024, that had a filing deadline of January 1, 2025, now have until January 13, 2025, to file their initial reports with FinCEN.

Reporting companies created or registered on or after September 4, 2024, that had a filing deadline between December 3, 2024, and December 23, 2024, now have until January 13, 2025, to file their initial reports with FinCEN.

Reporting companies created or registered on or after December 3, 2024, and on or before December 23, 2024, now have an additional 21 days from their original filing deadline (i.e., 90 days from creation or registration, plus 21 days) to file their initial reports with FinCEN.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
I have recently asked Property Management company to give us a boiled down version of this requirement.

At first glance this seems to hardly apply to HOAs. We are directors but do not have 25% ownership. We do make decisions for the community.

Has anyone done the research as to the ramifications for board members who must sign this document?
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
We have discussed this extensively on this forum. Almost everyone has advice from their attorneys that it does apply to HOAs and COAs and the board are considered beneficiary owners. Your board needs to register.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
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Posted By MarkM19 on 12/24/2024 8:50 AM
I have recently asked Property Management company to give us a boiled down version of this requirement.

At first glance this seems to hardly apply to HOAs. We are directors but do not have 25% ownership. We do make decisions for the community.
The decision-making control that directors have places HOA corporations squarely under the CTA. From https://www.fincen.gov/beneficial-ownership-information-reporting-rule-fact-sheet:

Under the rule, a beneficial owner includes any individual who, directly or indirectly, either (1) exercises substantial control over a reporting company, or (2) owns or controls at least 25 percent of the ownership interests of a reporting company. The rule defines the terms “substantial control” and “ownership interest.” In keeping with the CTA, the rule exempts five types of individuals from the definition of “beneficial owner.”

In defining the contours of who has substantial control, the rule sets forth a range of activities that could constitute substantial control of a reporting company. This list captures anyone who is able to make important decisions on behalf of the entity. FinCEN’s approach is designed to close loopholes that allow corporate structuring that obscures owners or decision-makers. This is crucial to unmasking anonymous shell companies.

MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Ellen,
Thanks for that. I guess my main question is does anyone who signs this as a board member take on any additional risk as we volunteer our time in our HOA?

The last time I checked the US has over 325 thousand HOAs. I doubt most will have any idea what Management companies are going to be asking us to sign to become compliant.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By MarkM19 on 12/24/2024 9:55 AM
Ellen,
Thanks for that. I guess my main question is does anyone who signs this as a board member take on any additional risk as we volunteer our time in our HOA?

The last time I checked the US has over 325 thousand HOAs. I doubt most will have any idea what Management companies are going to be asking us to sign to become compliant.

I'm on the board of my community and took care of reporting our info. It was very basic information (name, address, birthdate, and a copy of a current driver's license or passport).

Yes, I believe there are risks and have ranted about them on this website. In addition to the usual risks you take when handing over this information, the CTA is a new law and we have no idea how our information will be used and who will do the using. The lawsuits filed against the government cited violations of protections we are afforded by our constitution. In fact, CAI has commented in their filings that the CTA was designed to evade these protections. The CTA also authorizes our government to share the information with foreign entities of our government's choosing. These other entities may not provide the same protections as our constitution.

Regardless, I'm a firm believer in the adage "if you're guilty, you need a lawyer - but if you're innocent, you REALLY need a lawyer". Your rights are usually protected as long as you can afford to pay for securing competent legal assistance.

Unfortunately, the CTA gives concerned board members two options. Either report your info and take your chances, or risk significant civil and criminal penalties. Actually, there is a third option: refuse to serve on your association's board (and don't own 25% or more of the homes in your community).

Long story short, we just don't know. Ya reports yer info and ya takes yer chances. Or you refuse to serve on your board.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By MarkM19 on 12/24/2024 9:55 AM
Ellen,
Thanks for that. I guess my main question is does anyone who signs this as a board member take on any additional risk as we volunteer our time in our HOA?

The last time I checked the US has over 325 thousand HOAs. I doubt most will have any idea what Management companies are going to be asking us to sign to become compliant.
The concerns are about HOA directors having to provide the following to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) (a United States Treasury Department bureau):

1.
Legal Name

2.
DOB

3.
Residential Address

4.
Copy of an acceptable ID, which can be any of the following: (i) Driver’s License, (ii) State ID, and (iii) Passport.

I think having to provide the photo ID is what most dismays people.

To me the risk is in trusting federal civil servants to not give out one's personal identifying information, either through negligence or for malign motives.

I cannot blame any volunteer for hesitating to share personal identifying information to mere federal civil servants of IMO dubious qualifications. Still, overall I come down on the side of "If you want to serve on a board, just provide the info and be done with it. It is not a big deal (IMO)."
PatriciaL1 (California)
Posts: 78
Posted:
I am on the Board and also took care of reporting the info. It is indeed very easy.
For Board members who do not want to send a copy of their driver's license or passport, etc. they can easily obtain a free FinCen ID number. Privacy secured. Everybody happy.

https://fincenid.fincen.gov/landing
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
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Posted By PatriciaL1 on 12/24/2024 11:34 AM
I am on the Board and also took care of reporting the info. It is indeed very easy.
For Board members who do not want to send a copy of their driver's license or passport, etc. they can easily obtain a free FinCen ID number. Privacy secured. Everybody happy.

https://fincenid.fincen.gov/landing
That's a nice shortcut, with one caveat: To use this one has to either possess or create an account with login.gov, which in turn requires submission of a copy of one's driver's license or other state ID.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I used the link below to the e-filing system and did not have to create a login id:

https://boiefiling.fincen.gov/

I did have to provide my information as the person who was doing the filing (which was just a duplicate of what I had to provide as a board member).
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By MarshallT on 12/24/2024 7:30 AM
The deadline was extended to January 13, 2025, since this decision was made so quickly. But associations need to file asap. Not great timing, unfortunately.

Timing is not great if your HOA opted to ignore the law and place all hope on a rogue court decision in Texas.

HOAs in most cases are corporations. There was no legal basis to arbitrarily exempt HOAs from the legal this law. This ruling was a product of judge shopping and it survival in the court system was doubtful.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
this is a big nothing burger.

Takes 15 minutes to upload drivers license(s) and get registered.
Even if HOA does not register I predict zero HOA's will get fined over this.

Merry Christmas to everyone!

vis ta vie
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Guess what? They changed their minds again. Injunction is back on. Here’s the latest I just received.

At approximately 8:15 p.m. Eastern Time on December 26, 2024, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit (Fifth Circuit) reversed course from its prior ruling in Texas Top Cop Shop, Inc., v. Garland to allow a lower court’s nationwide preliminary injunction stand against the Corporate Transparency Act (CTA), pending the Government’s appeal. This means that, once again, the Government, including the United States Department of the Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), is barred from enforcing any aspect of the CTA’s disclosure requirements against reporting companies, including those formed before January 1, 2024. This decision prevents FinCEN from enforcing its recently announced deadline extension that would have deferred the compliance deadline for such existing entities from January 1, 2025, to January 13, 2025.

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