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ChrisK12 (South Carolina)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Several members of our community were told by Lenders and realtors that the Fannie Mae 10% requirement (10 % operating budget to Reserves) does not apply to an HOA with only single family homes (no condos here). We are a private community responsible for pool, clubhouse, road, water, and stormwater and have basically no reserves (less than $5000). Can anyone tell me if this ia the case and if not can you provide documentation?
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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It appears your planned community does not fall under this regulation.

But, with a pool, clubhouse, road, water, stormwater and $5,000 in reserves, what could possibly go wrong?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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What is a "planned community" in SC? How do we know it's the kind that ChrisK is in?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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What Dean said. Did these homeowners get anything in writing from their banks or realtors to this effect? If so, ask for a copy. Better yet, go to the HOA's bank and ask them - and get it in writing.

Even if you don't fall under the Fannie Mae requirement, any community that has the common areas you do (pool, clubhouse, etc.) should know that sooner or later, some of those elements (e.g. the clubhouse roof) will deteriorate over time and need to be replaced. Common sense should tell everyone that it's a good idea to put away some money now so you'll have it on hand at the appropriate time instead of having to argue over special assessments.

(With all the talk over the last two years about communities with little or no reserves and skyrocketing master insurance, you'd think this would occur to people. Then again, some people are horrible at personal finance, so if their own budgets are jacked up, it's no wonder that extrapolates to the larger community).

Anyway...you don't have reserves, so let's start with getting a reserve study (if you have less than $5K in reserves, I suspect getting a study hasn't dawned on anyone). This is one of the questions you could ask the specialist and with the study, you'll see where your community stands and how you'll need to prepare the budget for the next 10-20 years or so. Yes, it'll mean assessment increases, but better than than special assessments. After you get the study, you can call a special homeowner's meeting to have the specialist make a presentation on his/her findings and people can ask questions. Good luck!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ChrisK12 (South Carolina)
Posts: 23
Posted:
It's been done. Owners completely ignore it. They want assessments that are voted on by the homeowners and eventually fail when voted on. Neighborhood is older and infrastructure (roads, stormwater, pool, and clubhouse are deteriorating rapidly. Recently those who were against dues raise quoted a local attorney as saying Reserves had absolutely no impact on property value in a single family home community.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
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Posted By ChrisK12 on 12/11/2024 11:19 AM
Neighborhood is older and infrastructure (roads, stormwater, pool, and clubhouse are deteriorating rapidly. Recently those who were against dues raise quoted a local attorney as saying Reserves had absolutely no impact on property value in a single family home community.
At least the pool may fall into such disrepair that it will eventually become un-usable. Seriously, many here have reported that they feel pools are more trouble than they are worth, in an association run by mere volunteers. At lease one long time poster here can report on filling in the HOA's pool (after an owners' vote to amend the covenants?).

If the HOA is really lucky some state inspector will shut the pool down at some point. Then the board can say, "You want it back? Then understand this will cost you a large Special Assessment."

I see plenty directly from Fannie Mae on the subject of the 10% requirement for condos (never single family home associations). Also plenty of discussion about how this derives from the 2021 Surfside condo building collapse. I hesitate to post what I found though because (1) they do not quite nail this the way I think you want; a person has to be pretty sharp to understand what FM provides on this topic; (2) Fannie Mae changes its standards from time to time, and the sites I am seeing do not necessarily indicate the FM standards shown are the current ones; (3) whether there is law behind these standards (since FM is a government sponsored agency) is not fun to research (this is despite my being pretty capable IMO looking up statute sections and CFRs); and (4) Fannie Mae is just one resource that serves certain lenders yada.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Posted By ChrisK12 on 12/11/2024 11:19 AM
It's been done. Owners completely ignore it. They want assessments that are voted on by the homeowners and eventually fail when voted on. Neighborhood is older and infrastructure (roads, stormwater, pool, and clubhouse are deteriorating rapidly. Recently those who were against dues raise quoted a local attorney as saying Reserves had absolutely no impact on property value in a single family home community.

And that, I believe is the underlying issues behind this. I suspect some of the people bringing this up are considering selling their homes or may have a potential buyer. That prospect may be applying for a mortgage Fannie Mae might buy later and wants more information on association finances. A $5k reserve fund despite having a pool, clubhouse and a road doesn't make sense. The homeowners who keep voting down assessment increases are setting themselves for a major smackdown down the road and some may find themselves still standing when the music stops.

The attorney who said reserves don't have any impact on single-family HOAs apparently hasn't taken a close look at what's in this one. Or he or she gave a longer answer, but your neighbors stopped listening after hearing "no impact on property values." Whatever else you can say about what property values are and which ones have more or less of an impact, one should admit that properly managed HOAs with properly managed association assets are a better buy.

Whatever - hope FAFO doesn't come down too hard on these people. You may need to consider selling, as Dean noted, and brace yourself for selling it for less than what you'd like.

In the meantime, the community may as well get rid of the pool. Disrepair and repair costs are why we said byebye to ours.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ChrisK12 (South Carolina)
Posts: 23
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I agree. Biggest mess I've ever seen. Getting rid of the pool requires it to be filled in with a specific ratio of materials that would cost 35-50K we don't have. On top of all of this, our current operating budget barely pays the bills ( $71,500 in operating expenses and $76,000 in funding). If pool contract, mowing, or insurance goes up, we could be operating in the red. This has happened in the past and they used the reserves to fund the operating budget, but that won't work this time because there are no reserves. To add to this, our neighborhood is totally private and 20+ years old meaning we are responsible for roads, stormwater, water lines, commons areas.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Chris

With no Reserves you association is is trouble from the get go.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By JohnC46 on 12/11/2024 4:36 PM
Chris

With no Reserves, your association is is trouble from the get go.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Fannie Mae master property insurance requirements: https://selling-guide.fanniemae.com/sel/b7-3-03/master-property-insurance-requirements-project-developments

Lending standards are all about risk. The entity holding the mortgage doesn't want to be stuck with a non-performing loan (ie. one that isn't being repaid) or be stuck with a property that no one will take off its hands if the lender forecloses.

No or low reserves are signs that owners in the community don't have the financial resources to maintain their community. There are differences between condos, PUDs, and co=ops. But what is consistent among them is low reserves = higher risk, to both the lender and to the owners in the community. As a potential buyer, I wouldn't touch such a community. However, if the community is otherwise solid, investors may start sniffing around for bargains - which is another sign for owner-occupants to get out of Dodge before it all hits the fan.

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