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MarkK24 (Alabama)
Posts: 16
Posted:
We live on a golf course in Alabama and there are no CCR regulations for easement to retrieve a golf ball. due to the amount of balls and people looking around our immediate house area, we installed a fence with approval from the board. During the course of installation we had several golfers become irate when we told then to leave our property. A daily average of balls is approximately 5 -10 balls. That is only what we see. The fencing was over 10k and has been up for less than a month. I looked out the back window today and noticed that the vertical rods were bent. I looked over the rest and seen that the damage was intentional. 4 bent rods and a post cap missing.

I tried to ask for some assistance to remedy the situation from the Mayor, board members, and the golf course 1.5 years prior. Nothing was done and we had to call the police for threats from golfers on the course because we won't let them retrieve in our immediate house area. Here are some questions I have and hope you may help guide me to resolve this. As I said, I have spoken to many board members, Mayor, and golf course to address the issue. 4k cameras to be installed soon.

1. Who is liable for the damages? US, golf course, golfer (not seen)
2. Is the board or the Mayor responsible for residents safety?
3. Do I have legal grounds to request compensation for damages from the golf course?

Thanks.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkK24 on 11/26/2024 6:09 PM

1. Who is liable for the damages? US, golf course, golfer (not seen)
2. Is the board or the Mayor responsible for residents safety?
3. Do I have legal grounds to request compensation for damages from the golf course?
1.
If you can prove a certain person damaged your fence, then I expect a court would find him or her liable (in a civil suit you brought) and also guilty (in a criminal suit one would hope the district attorney would prosecute) of one or more criminal statutes.

I think it is possible that the golfers (who pay to use the golf course, pursuant to rules the owner of the course sets) are agents of the owners of the golf course. I assume you have asked the owners of the course to instruct golfers to stay on the course and not try to retrieve balls et cetera. As long as you have done this, you might very well meet with success suing the golf course for the acts of its agents (the golfers).

2.
I think what you mean is: Could the board or the mayor be prosecuted criminally or found liable for the assaults (here, meaning threats) some golfers are perpetrating on you?

Does the HOA own the golf course?

3.
See 1. above.

The following is for the advanced reader only. Note that it pertains to an instance where there was an easement. But in the OP's case, there is no easement.
https://law.justia.com/cases/georgia/court-of-appeals/2008/a08a2438-0.html

Meeting with a personal injury attorney is probably a good idea.
MarkK24 (Alabama)
Posts: 16
Posted:
The HOA does not own the golf course, but we do PAY a fee for the continued "success" of the course.

I'd also like to know if it is wise to escrow any payments to the HOA until this is resolved.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You don't know who's responsible for the damage, so why withhold assessments because you aren't happy with the HOA's reaction?

As ElleN suggested, talk to an attorney about all this to see what your options are.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,334
Posted:
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Posted By MarkK24 on 11/26/2024 10:47 PM

I'd also like to know if it is wise to escrow any payments to the HOA until this is resolved.
No, this is unwise. Why? Because it violates the covenants pertaining to assessments. From direct experience and general reading of case law, the courts have said one is still obligated to pay the assessment even if the HOA Board might be violating other covenants. If you stopped paying the asessment, the HOA would be in its rights to lien your house et cetera.

Understood that owners pay a fee for the golf course. Presumably the HOA pays something to the golf course owner. This is likely the result of a sweetheart deal the developer arranged. It is common. Buyers need to read the covenants closely to avoid situations like this that may become irritating down the road.

Is the golf course subject to the HOA covenants? I would expect not.

So far I do not see the HOA being liable for anything here. You are suffering a nuisance (from golfers coming on your property et cetera), but that's covered under city ordinance or general tort law.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
I would file a police report for criminal damaging.

Then I would install your video camera and ask the golf course if they maintain records of T time reservations. If it happen again, get the T time records to assist with suspect ID for you next police report.
MarkK24 (Alabama)
Posts: 16
Posted:
We will install security cameras in the area soon. I have had the sheriff out on a couple occasion already. I find it appalling that golfers stoop this low on the course. I should have reworded my concerns to withhold the funds that pay directly to the golf course, not the HOA. We never asked for anything from the golfers or the course itself, other than to regulate the people and preserve our privacy. Thanks for your help.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Mark

It is your fence and you do not know who caused the damage. Pony up and pay for repairs.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkK24 on 11/26/2024 10:47 PM
The HOA does not own the golf course, but we do PAY a fee for the continued "success" of the course.

I'd also like to know if it is wise to escrow any payments to the HOA until this is resolved.


When you make your payments, write "payment is under protest" on your check to preserve your ability to recover. It's an old principle.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
HOAs are responsible to a degree for the safety of residents when a threat is foreseeable. Do you have No Trespassing signs posted? Can you install a net to keep balls out of your property? Does the gold course have signs telling golfers that entering private property to retrieve balls is Off Limits?
MarkK24 (Alabama)
Posts: 16
Posted:
The golf course and POA/HOA refuse to do anything on the matter. I repaired the fence and it has been damaged again. I don't like to make assumptions, but it appears to be intentional. What are some legal obligations the Mayor and POA should be enforcing.
MarkK24 (Alabama)
Posts: 16
Posted:
The golf course and POA/HOA refuse to do anything on the matter. I repaired the fence and it has been damaged again. I don't like to make assumptions, but it appears to be intentional. What are some legal obligations the Mayor and POA should be enforcing. There are signs stating to drop a ball on the course and play on.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By MarkK24 on 12/21/2024 9:34 AM
The golf course and POA/HOA refuse to do anything on the matter. I repaired the fence and it has been damaged again. I don't like to make assumptions, but it appears to be intentional. What are some legal obligations the Mayor and POA should be enforcing. There are signs stating to drop a ball on the course and play on.

Vandalism and trespassing. Sue the golf course in small claims court for the damage. They will have to pay a lawyer. Maybe they will pay better attention to their clients' actions. Sue them for the initial fence building and the cost of repairs.. Video evidence would help. No trespassing signs.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
How accurate this is, I do not know.

I came across this on another site:

General rule of thumb:

Golfer liable = intentionally or acted unreasonably in hitting ball toward the house.

Course liable = house built before the course was built.

No liability (owner or owner's insurance pays) = house built after course. Under this scenario the homeowner assumed the risk in buying or building a house on the golf course.

That said, regarding your fence, I would suggest, as others have suggested, installing cameras so you have a possibility of identifying the individuals.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By TimB4 on 12/21/2024 11:42 AM
How accurate this is, I do not know.

I came across this on another site:

General rule of thumb:

Golfer liable = intentionally or acted unreasonably in hitting ball toward the house.

Course liable = house built before the course was built.

No liability (owner or owner's insurance pays) = house built after course. Under this scenario the homeowner assumed the risk in buying or building a house on the golf course.

That said, regarding your fence, I would suggest, as others have suggested, installing cameras so you have a possibility of identifying the individuals.

Having lived on two golf courses the above is my understanding. Also the biggest complainers were those that bought or built on a golf course. What were they expecting?
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
I doubt a golf ball ever destroyed a fence.

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