Cali HOA Not Maintaing Member List

BrianP19 (California)
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Has anyone heard of HOAs not maintaining member lists? After getting our member list (had to file my own civil lawsuit to get it) I started noticing people on the member list who moved away years ago. The HOA is now conducting the annual election and mailing ballots (using the member list). But if the member list is not updated who gets the ballots is an open question. The HOA refuses to answer questions about when the list was last updated with county transaction data.

My HOA is a non-davis stirling HOA.

SheliaH (Indiana)
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As a practical matter, it doesn't make sense not to keep a current owner list - the HOA needs to know who owns the home so it can send official association correspondence, who's paying assessments in full and on time, and who's responsible for correcting CCR violation (that would be the owner). Whether the HOA is Davis-Stirling or not shouldn't make a difference - that's common business sense.

How large is your community and is it self-managed? If you have a management company, it should have a current list, but self-managed communities can be all over the place as far as accurate record-keeping and storage are concerned. You said the association didn't answer questions about the list's accuracy - was this the board or management company? Maybe you need to remind them that you sued the association sucessfully over this and I'm certain they don't want to go through this again. If you're in a small community, what's wrong with writing the house numbers and looking them up by going to the websites of the city/county recorder or assessor's office? That can take some time, unless there's a way you caninput a range, e.g. house numbers 500 - 1000 in the 700th block of Ramsey Road, so it may be helpful to call the assessor or recorder's office first to see what would be the easiest way to get all this in a relatively short time.

You might also need to elaborate on why you want the list. Normally, owner lists should only be used for association business, such as sending everyone letters on your candidacy for a board position. Advertising your small business isn't appropriate - it's easier and faster to walk around the community anyway, write down thehouse numbers, and then mail your flyers or stick them in the doors. You can't put them in the mailboxes because anything in a maibox requires postage. I think owners can opt out of providing phone numbers and emails on owner lists, so if that's what you want and don't get all of them, it may be due to people not having them or wanting to provide them (except to the property manager), and you have to accept that decision.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

CathyA3 (Ohio)
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How on earth does the manager and/or board know that they are collecting assessments from everyone who is obligated to pay them without such a list? In short, they almost certainly don't. To me, this is the biggest problem since collecting assessments is Job #1 for any association.

And if your governing docs tie being in good standing to things like the right to vote, it would not be possible to hold a valid election regardless of whether the ballots get to where they should be going.

It's possible such a list actually exists, but they're being uncooperative for some reason.

ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By BrianP19 on 11/20/2024 10:06 AM
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My HOA is a non-davis stirling HOA.

Is it a corporation? If so, the California corporate code requires a membership list.

If you elaborate, I will elaborate.

DeanJ
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Posted By BrianP19 on 11/20/2024 10:06 AM
Has anyone heard of HOAs not maintaining member lists? After getting our member list (had to file my own civil lawsuit to get it) I started noticing people on the member list who moved away years ago. The HOA is now conducting the annual election and mailing ballots (using the member list). But if the member list is not updated who gets the ballots is an open question. The HOA refuses to answer questions about when the list was last updated with county transaction data.

My HOA is a non-davis stirling HOA.

There is a difference in maintaining and distributing. My HOA has all the current owners address and contact information. As an owner, all you are entitled to is the name and address of the owner. It’s called privacy. If I want you to have my email address or phone number, I will give it to you. Otherwise don’t contact me,

BrianP19 (California)
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Posted By ElleN on 11/20/2024 10:56 AM

Posted By BrianP19 on 11/20/2024 10:06 AM
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My HOA is a non-davis stirling HOA.

Is it a corporation? If so, the California corporate code requires a membership list.

If you elaborate, I will elaborate.

yes- we are mutual benefit corp and im aware that the corp code requires them to keep a membership list. I was asking because im trying to figure out if it is normal for HOAs to operate this way. I have so many examples of my hoa break laws like this- but there is no way to hold them accountable unless someone files a civil complaint in superior court. The AG's office has discretionary authority- but they never step in (ive asked).

BrianP19 (California)
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No they dont. And my HOA doesnt have a monthly assessment. They only collect money if a member wants to redo their house and needs HOA approval (for paint color, etc).

I also wonder if they are purposely giving me a list with errors or that is not updated- which I assume is against the law.

ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By BrianP19 on 11/20/2024 4:28 PM

yes- we are mutual benefit corp and im aware that the corp code requires them to keep a membership list. I was asking because im trying to figure out if it is normal for HOAs to operate this way. I have so many examples of my hoa break laws like this- but there is no way to hold them accountable unless someone files a civil complaint in superior court.

-- The Corp Code also requires the HOA to share the membership list. See https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?secti8330.&lawCode=CORP

-- HOAs either denying records requests; ignoring records requests; or delaying a response to a records request is common. Remember boards consist of unpaid amateurs, who are also sometimes overworked, who often wield "possession is 9/10ths of the law" like a cudgel.

-- I agree that your only recourse in this instance is to send a series of demand letters; possibly hire a lawyer; and then as needed file a lawsuit.

BrianP19 (California)
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Posted By SheliaH on 11/20/2024 10:30 AM
As a practical matter, it doesn't make sense not to keep a current owner list - the HOA needs to know who owns the home so it can send official association correspondence, who's paying assessments in full and on time, and who's responsible for correcting CCR violation (that would be the owner). Whether the HOA is Davis-Stirling or not shouldn't make a difference - that's common business sense.

How large is your community and is it self-managed? If you have a management company, it should have a current list, but self-managed communities can be all over the place as far as accurate record-keeping and storage are concerned. You said the association didn't answer questions about the list's accuracy - was this the board or management company? Maybe you need to remind them that you sued the association sucessfully over this and I'm certain they don't want to go through this again. If you're in a small community, what's wrong with writing the house numbers and looking them up by going to the websites of the city/county recorder or assessor's office? That can take some time, unless there's a way you caninput a range, e.g. house numbers 500 - 1000 in the 700th block of Ramsey Road, so it may be helpful to call the assessor or recorder's office first to see what would be the easiest way to get all this in a relatively short time.

You might also need to elaborate on why you want the list. Normally, owner lists should only be used for association business, such as sending everyone letters on your candidacy for a board position. Advertising your small business isn't appropriate - it's easier and faster to walk around the community anyway, write down thehouse numbers, and then mail your flyers or stick them in the doors. You can't put them in the mailboxes because anything in a maibox requires postage. I think owners can opt out of providing phone numbers and emails on owner lists, so if that's what you want and don't get all of them, it may be due to people not having them or wanting to provide them (except to the property manager), and you have to accept that decision.

The community is 5400 lots and it is run by a board of directors (who are all appointed). I worked with a real estate agent to verify the sales and then cross that with the member list. That is how I found all of the errors. When I brought them to the board- they ignored me. When i did the little analysis- i only checked 1 month... because its very time consuming for my agent friend to cross the check the transaction data with the current ownership data (real names). But i do see your point- i should call the recorders office and see how hard it would be to get the owner list myself.

Again- im just asking if anyone has heard of an HOA doing this. I cant tell if they are not updating the list out of lack of resource- or something else. I will say- we havent hit quorum in 14 years and the current board reappoints themselves each year. They have used people not voting as justification- it makes me wonder if the reason people are not voting is due to the member list not being updated.

BrianP19 (California)
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Posted By ElleN on 11/20/2024 4:43 PM

Posted By BrianP19 on 11/20/2024 4:28 PM

yes- we are mutual benefit corp and im aware that the corp code requires them to keep a membership list. I was asking because im trying to figure out if it is normal for HOAs to operate this way. I have so many examples of my hoa break laws like this- but there is no way to hold them accountable unless someone files a civil complaint in superior court.

-- The Corp Code also requires the HOA to share the membership list. See https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?secti8330.&lawCode=CORP

-- HOAs either denying records requests; ignoring records requests; or delaying a response to a records request is common. Remember boards consist of unpaid amateurs, who are also sometimes overworked, who often wield "possession is 9/10ths of the law" like a cudgel.

-- I agree that your only recourse in this instance is to send a series of demand letters; possibly hire a lawyer; and then as needed file a lawsuit.

Yeah- that is what i figured. I've written my own writ's 2x now and I can do it again. I was just wondering if anyone had heard of an HOA purposely not updating its member list. Again, in my HOA not maintaining the list doesn't hurt their revenue stream- when someone needs approval... they have to pay. Although- i suppose it could make collection a big mess if someone refuses (hey- im not on your member list...).

CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Most HOAs have to collect assessments and could not function without knowing who is obligated to pay. In addition, we have to keep track of who is renting out their homes. Banks ask for this information before they approve mortgages for new buyers. So I would think very few would try to operate without a membership list.

I suppose it's possible to function without a membership list if you don't have to do things like this. But it seems odd.

DeanJ
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Posted By BrianP19 on 11/20/2024 9:09 PM

Posted By SheliaH on 11/20/2024 10:30 AM
As a practical matter, it doesn't make sense not to keep a current owner list - the HOA needs to know who owns the home so it can send official association correspondence, who's paying assessments in full and on time, and who's responsible for correcting CCR violation (that would be the owner). Whether the HOA is Davis-Stirling or not shouldn't make a difference - that's common business sense.

How large is your community and is it self-managed? If you have a management company, it should have a current list, but self-managed communities can be all over the place as far as accurate record-keeping and storage are concerned. You said the association didn't answer questions about the list's accuracy - was this the board or management company? Maybe you need to remind them that you sued the association sucessfully over this and I'm certain they don't want to go through this again. If you're in a small community, what's wrong with writing the house numbers and looking them up by going to the websites of the city/county recorder or assessor's office? That can take some time, unless there's a way you caninput a range, e.g. house numbers 500 - 1000 in the 700th block of Ramsey Road, so it may be helpful to call the assessor or recorder's office first to see what would be the easiest way to get all this in a relatively short time.

You might also need to elaborate on why you want the list. Normally, owner lists should only be used for association business, such as sending everyone letters on your candidacy for a board position. Advertising your small business isn't appropriate - it's easier and faster to walk around the community anyway, write down thehouse numbers, and then mail your flyers or stick them in the doors. You can't put them in the mailboxes because anything in a maibox requires postage. I think owners can opt out of providing phone numbers and emails on owner lists, so if that's what you want and don't get all of them, it may be due to people not having them or wanting to provide them (except to the property manager), and you have to accept that decision.

The community is 5400 lots and it is run by a board of directors (who are all appointed). I worked with a real estate agent to verify the sales and then cross that with the member list. That is how I found all of the errors. When I brought them to the board- they ignored me. When i did the little analysis- i only checked 1 month... because its very time consuming for my agent friend to cross the check the transaction data with the current ownership data (real names). But i do see your point- i should call the recorders office and see how hard it would be to get the owner list myself.

Again- im just asking if anyone has heard of an HOA doing this. I cant tell if they are not updating the list out of lack of resource- or something else. I will say- we havent hit quorum in 14 years and the current board reappoints themselves each year. They have used people not voting as justification- it makes me wonder if the reason people are not voting is due to the member list not being updated.

No, I have never heard of an HOA that didn’t keep a member list that was not updated at least annually.

You state there are 5,400 lots and zero assessments. I do have to inquire, if you get a 100% accurate list and all 5,400 owners want to attend an annual meeting, where is the meeting held and who is paying for it? If the quorum is 20%, where that meeting being held?

SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By BrianP19 on 11/20/2024 9:09 PM

The community is 5400 lots and it is run by a board of directors (who are all appointed). I worked with a real estate agent to verify the sales and then cross that with the member list. That is how I found all of the errors. When I brought them to the board- they ignored me. When i did the little analysis- i only checked 1 month... because its very time consuming for my agent friend to cross the check the transaction data with the current ownership data (real names). But i do see your point- i should call the recorders office and see how hard it would be to get the owner list myself.

Again- im just asking if anyone has heard of an HOA doing this. I cant tell if they are not updating the list out of lack of resource- or something else. I will say- we havent hit quorum in 14 years and the current board reappoints themselves each year. They have used people not voting as justification- it makes me wonder if the reason people are not voting is due to the member list not being updated.

It could be people aren't voting because they're not getting information on meetings and elections, but apathy is a huge problem in at least 90% of the conversations on this website, so that may be the real problem here. In fact, I'm sure that's an underlying problem because you said you haven't had quorum at your meetings (I assume you mean the annual because that's usually when board elections are generally held.

If you've read your documents, you shoukd know what the quorum is for an annual meeting and if you don't get it, there is no election. If there's no election, the current board stays until they get voted out or step down. Or recalled, which requires a special homeowners meeting. Your documents will tell you how they're called. In any case, THAT'S why you have the current group.

I know there are various requirements for HOAS under the Davis Stirling law, but you said yours doesn't fall under that. As I understand it, those HOAS would be governed under their bylaws and/or the state corporations code. So you may as well take a long look at your documents to see what the association is supposed to do, homeowner rights and responsibilities, etc. If you've lived here for 14 years you should already know some of this.

Then consider what type of problems your community has,, but it doesn't seem the board is aware of them or just don't care (unfortunately, it may be no one else cares either). To turn things around, you'll need to get enough homeowners involved to vote these folks out and put in a new group (which may need to include you) and then you can start addressing long neglected issues.

Often people pay their assessments and go back to watching TV because everyone was told "the association will take care of everything", not realizing they ARE the association and should be keeping track of what the board does and why. This is the thinking you'll need to tackle and you'll need help. Start walking around the community and talk up some of your neighbors- there may be others who 5hink as you, but jo ones figured out how to get the change started and with 5400 homes, it may take a minute to find them.

Another approach-have you asked the board what it might need help with and offer your services? They're also homeowners and have a life outside the association. Has it occurred to you that if a few people helped with cleaning up the owner list, it might be the start of getting others to help out and perhaps stepping up to serve because these folks have been at it for 14 years with no break? If one of them asked YOU to take their place (the board can appoint homeowners to serve out a term), what would you do?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

BrianP19 (California)
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Posted By SheliaH on 11/21/2024 7:46 AM

Posted By BrianP19 on 11/20/2024 9:09 PM

The community is 5400 lots and it is run by a board of directors (who are all appointed). I worked with a real estate agent to verify the sales and then cross that with the member list. That is how I found all of the errors. When I brought them to the board- they ignored me. When i did the little analysis- i only checked 1 month... because its very time consuming for my agent friend to cross the check the transaction data with the current ownership data (real names). But i do see your point- i should call the recorders office and see how hard it would be to get the owner list myself.

Again- im just asking if anyone has heard of an HOA doing this. I cant tell if they are not updating the list out of lack of resource- or something else. I will say- we havent hit quorum in 14 years and the current board reappoints themselves each year. They have used people not voting as justification- it makes me wonder if the reason people are not voting is due to the member list not being updated.

It could be people aren't voting because they're not getting information on meetings and elections, but apathy is a huge problem in at least 90% of the conversations on this website, so that may be the real problem here. In fact, I'm sure that's an underlying problem because you said you haven't had quorum at your meetings (I assume you mean the annual because that's usually when board elections are generally held.

If you've read your documents, you shoukd know what the quorum is for an annual meeting and if you don't get it, there is no election. If there's no election, the current board stays until they get voted out or step down. Or recalled, which requires a special homeowners meeting. Your documents will tell you how they're called. In any case, THAT'S why you have the current group.

I know there are various requirements for HOAS under the Davis Stirling law, but you said yours doesn't fall under that. As I understand it, those HOAS would be governed under their bylaws and/or the state corporations code. So you may as well take a long look at your documents to see what the association is supposed to do, homeowner rights and responsibilities, etc. If you've lived here for 14 years you should already know some of this.

Then consider what type of problems your community has,, but it doesn't seem the board is aware of them or just don't care (unfortunately, it may be no one else cares either). To turn things around, you'll need to get enough homeowners involved to vote these folks out and put in a new group (which may need to include you) and then you can start addressing long neglected issues.

Often people pay their assessments and go back to watching TV because everyone was told "the association will take care of everything", not realizing they ARE the association and should be keeping track of what the board does and why. This is the thinking you'll need to tackle and you'll need help. Start walking around the community and talk up some of your neighbors- there may be others who 5hink as you, but jo ones figured out how to get the change started and with 5400 homes, it may take a minute to find them.

Another approach-have you asked the board what it might need help with and offer your services? They're also homeowners and have a life outside the association. Has it occurred to you that if a few people helped with cleaning up the owner list, it might be the start of getting others to help out and perhaps stepping up to serve because these folks have been at it for 14 years with no break? If one of them asked YOU to take their place (the board can appoint homeowners to serve out a term), what would you do?

Interestingly enough- I've tried pretty hard to increase awareness of the HOA. Ironically- this is how I learned about the Member List. I had to go to court myself to get it. Once I had the list I started sending out a little newsletter about the what was occurring. I've also started a petition drive to change the bylaws and reduce our quorum. This is a difficult task, however, given the problems with our member list. I've reached out to members on the list only to be told "we moved 2 years ago...." yikes! I've also conducted a survey using the member list. Over 250 members responded and there is strong desire (86%) to change the status quo. Its not a scientific sample- but still meaningful in my mind.

The current board has been at this for about 4 years. Before them there were others appointed going back to 2009. There have been many contested elections in the past 14 years but no quorum. I've suggested that if the election is contested the Board open the ballots received and appoint those who receive the most votes. The board appoints itself instead without opening the ballots received.

They would never appoint me. I'm viewed as a trouble maker (since I advocate for democratic reforms). I am starting to think the only way to change the situation would be via a petition in superior court under Corp Code 7515.

ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By BrianP19 on 12/03/2024 9:59 AM
I've also conducted a survey using the member list. Over 250 members responded and there is strong desire (86%) to change the status quo. Its not a scientific sample

That's debatable. From your sample of 250, the 86% has a MOE of +/- about 7%. If you polled the entire HOA, the actual number with a strong desire for change can be expected to be between 79% and 93%.

The leg work of winning a majority of the board seats (armed with only the bylaws, declaration and nonprofit corp act) will be demanding in my experience with a 2000+ home HOA. Though you are off to a good start, also in my experience.

SheliaH (Indiana)
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An 86% response rate is great (usually, 20% is considered very good), but where was your follow up? When you sent out your survey, did you list your email address or phone number along with an invitation to contact you so all of your could set up a committee to start working for change? The size of your community dictates that you’ll need help, so if you were able to keep track of who sent responses, contact them and see if they’re willing to get involved.

I have to ask again – how can you protest an election if the meeting didn’t have a legal quorum as written in your documents? Without that, there is no official meeting, meaning there’s no official election. I’m also confused a bit by appointments – is your association run by the developers or the homeowners? If it’s the developers, they pretty much run the show until the homeowners take over, and that may be why you’ve had all these appointments.

Another question – what prompted the arguments about the elections? For example, were there problems with some voters and/or board candidates not being eligible because they were behind in paying assessments? Many HOA documents state delinquent homeowners can’t vote in board elections or run for a position – check your documents for that. Infact, get comfy because you’ll be taking a deep dive, along with good notes. Knowing what the board should do vs. what they’ve been doing will help develop your strategy to persuade them to change or else. For now, start with the information you currently have and create your own list. If you succeed in getting rid of this group, the next board (of which you may have to be a member) can start work on updating the list or directing the property manager to do it.

It’s also true this board is unlikely to cooperate because you’re a threat to their power, and therefore a troublemaker. You could sue, but that takes time and money. I’m not saying it won’t come to that because some boards require a judge to hand their behinds to them before they straighten up and fly right. However, if you win, there’s still the matter of contacting everyone and hoping enough people respond and start to pay attention to what this group has done or not – or the board will appeal, requiring more time and money.

Think all this through and how far you’re willing to go because I can see this board starting a disinformation campaign against you. Now you see why Frederick Douglass said power concedes nothing without a demand. And why there’s strength in numbers. Good luck in whatever you choose to do.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

BrianP19 (California)
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Posted By ElleN on 12/03/2024 10:19 AM

Posted By BrianP19 on 12/03/2024 9:59 AM
I've also conducted a survey using the member list. Over 250 members responded and there is strong desire (86%) to change the status quo. Its not a scientific sample

That's debatable. From your sample of 250, the 86% has a MOE of +/- about 7%. If you polled the entire HOA, the actual number with a strong desire for change can be expected to be between 79% and 93%.

The leg work of winning a majority of the board seats (armed with only the bylaws, declaration and nonprofit corp act) will be demanding in my experience with a 2000+ home HOA. Though you are off to a good start, also in my experience.

True! But- to be fair... the 250 that answered my survey were not random. They self selected. The survey was also conducted using the email addresses in the member list and only 60% of the membership has an email address registered. If i were trying to dispute the survey- this is how i'd do it. However- 5 years ago my HOA was sued for this same quourm issue and the Judge asked the HOA to conduct a similar survey about our quourm. That survey has an N of 1,300ish. 79% in favor of reducing the quorum- so my 250n online survey is basically inline with that one.

And yes- it is a ton of work

I've been at this for 2 years already.

BrianP19 (California)
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Posted By SheliaH on 12/03/2024 10:59 AM
An 86% response rate is great (usually, 20% is considered very good), but where was your follow up? When you sent out your survey, did you list your email address or phone number along with an invitation to contact you so all of your could set up a committee to start working for change? The size of your community dictates that you’ll need help, so if you were able to keep track of who sent responses, contact them and see if they’re willing to get involved.

I have to ask again – how can you protest an election if the meeting didn’t have a legal quorum as written in your documents? Without that, there is no official meeting, meaning there’s no official election. I’m also confused a bit by appointments – is your association run by the developers or the homeowners? If it’s the developers, they pretty much run the show until the homeowners take over, and that may be why you’ve had all these appointments.

Another question – what prompted the arguments about the elections? For example, were there problems with some voters and/or board candidates not being eligible because they were behind in paying assessments? Many HOA documents state delinquent homeowners can’t vote in board elections or run for a position – check your documents for that. Infact, get comfy because you’ll be taking a deep dive, along with good notes. Knowing what the board should do vs. what they’ve been doing will help develop your strategy to persuade them to change or else. For now, start with the information you currently have and create your own list. If you succeed in getting rid of this group, the next board (of which you may have to be a member) can start work on updating the list or directing the property manager to do it.

It’s also true this board is unlikely to cooperate because you’re a threat to their power, and therefore a troublemaker. You could sue, but that takes time and money. I’m not saying it won’t come to that because some boards require a judge to hand their behinds to them before they straighten up and fly right. However, if you win, there’s still the matter of contacting everyone and hoping enough people respond and start to pay attention to what this group has done or not – or the board will appeal, requiring more time and money.

Think all this through and how far you’re willing to go because I can see this board starting a disinformation campaign against you. Now you see why Frederick Douglass said power concedes nothing without a demand. And why there’s strength in numbers. Good luck in whatever you choose to do.

Agree on the 20% being good. When I send my newsletter out I usually get about 40-60% open rate. I've also gotten about $3000 in donations to help with the website and reforms and have a small group of like minded members to help. We propose changes and reforms- which are usually ignored. The respondents to the survey were anonymous- but i Know they are members because I sent the survey to the member list. Only members could fill it out.

Under 7515- the election itself wouldnt be challenged but rather the quorum that prevents the election from occurring. The Association is run by Members who have self appointed themselves.

I started looking at the elections because- well, the self appointing bothered me as did some of the decisions the board makes. The election has so many problems- last year they sent the ballots on December 7th and Members had to return them by Jan 3rd. One ballot was sent. No advertising about the election. Then I found figured out the member list itself was inaccurate which just adds to the problems. It seems that the board likes self appointing themselves for one reason or another. Finding volunteers to replace this board would not be hard. Like I said- last year we had 8 candidates for 5 spots.

I know filing a lawsuit is a lot of work- but I did it already to get the member list. I found lawyers selling procedure manuals on ebay which helped me learn how to draft civil complaints. In one of my civil complaints the HOA ignored my discovery request so I figured out how to file a motion for sanctions (motion to compel). I think I can file the 7515- although success wont be easy for sure. And yes- the board already has launched disinformation campaigns against me and our group- they even put things like this on the back of this year's election ballot.