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SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
95 townhomes in CA, President here. Well it happened, the Directors initial response to the CTA act requirements was a big fat NO!. It's not an easy sell and our large country wide Association and Property Manager did no selling/explaining, just emailed information and instructions. So I guess I now have to get involved as the President as I don't want the community to go into receivership. Are any other Presidents in this unfortunate position? Sue
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
As I mentioned in the other thread, I don't think you should be "selling" anything other than reminding the reluctant board members of their duty to the association and that they should announce their intentions now so that you have time to plan for an election.

There are plenty of people who have valid reasons for opposing the reporting requirements of the CTA. Suggesting that their principled stand would crumble if they're given the right sales pitch is kinda offensive and not what you want to do. You're asking people to act against their own self interests, and that seldom works well. I recommend honest disclosure, including acknowledging that we have no idea how this will play out. The risks are all theoretical at this point.

What would happen if the board members refuse to report their info and refuse to step down? Dunno. We're in new territory here. At least the penalties will fall on the non-compliant individuals and not on their associations. I'm sure plenty of folks will go the FIFO route, they'll be lumped together with all of the board members out there who've never heard of the CTA, and we will indeed find out.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
At the moment, the penalties are these (according to an AI generated article):

A "willful violation" of federal CTA (Corporate Transparency Act) regulations refers to knowingly and intentionally failing to comply with the requirements of the CTA, which mandates reporting beneficial ownership information to FinCEN, potentially leading to significant civil penalties like daily fines and even criminal penalties including jail time depending on the severity of the violation.

What constitutes a violation: Deliberately not filing required beneficial ownership information, providing false or incomplete information, or failing to update information when changes occur are considered willful violations.

Penalties:

* Civil penalties: Fines of up to $500 per day for non-compliance (aka $3500 a week, $14K a month)

* Criminal penalties: Potential fines of up to $10,000 and imprisonment for up to two years.

Who is liable:

Individuals responsible for managing a company, including officers and directors, can be held liable for willful CTA violations

I believe there are pending lawsuits on this, but that's a slow process and I don't know if Congress will act to fix this (God only knows with the crackpots about to debut on Jan. 20), so this should give your board something to think about. That said, I fully understand concerns about posting that information in these days of cybercrime - aren't knee jerk reactions to serious problems wonderful? (said no one ever)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I'm also thinking if "individuals responsible for managing a company" is legalspeak for a property management company, that could prompt some to quit the business or boot their more problamatic clients if they balk at compliance. This could get very ugly, very fast.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
If the next session of Congress does not exclude volunteer non paid directors, do you feel this will lead
to more HOA's going into receivership because of lack of willing participants?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
In order to serve my HOA on it's BOD, I will give out any of my personal information short of bank accounts and credit card information. I have nothing to hide.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Regarding management companies, some boards delegate some of their duties to the manager and even give the manager some limited authority. If you read the letter of the law, then i believe these managers are "beneficial owners". Another criterion for determining who is a beneficial owner is the ability to remove and replace board members. No individual director or even the entire board can remove directors. But guess what? The membership can! And given the sometimes low quorum requirements for holding annual meetings, this power is concentrated in relatively few hands (which admittedly change constantly).

I was also wondering what sort of effect the CTA will have on corporate investors who are accumulating property with the goal of converting the units to rentals. Once they hit 25% ownership, they also must report their information. And a number of these corporate owners are foreign. Since the CTA is targeting international networks of bad actors and property is a pretty good place to launder money, perhaps this group is worth a closer look. But this group is far removed from the "parking and dog poop" crowd - and as I've observed many times, their interests are contrary to those of the typical owner-occupant.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By JohnC46 on 11/14/2024 11:17 PM
In order to serve my HOA on it's BOD, I will give out any of my personal information short of bank accounts and credit card information. I have nothing to hide.

If you believe you have nothing to hide, I strongly suggest reading history and spending a chunk of time watching trial coverage on YouTube. A number of lawyers cover these trials and provide legal commentary, and frankly I have been appalled by some of the things I've been seeing out of the prosecution. Just because you have nothing to hide doesn't mean you won't be convicted if it's in somebody's interest to do so. This is why public trials are such an important right.

Also be aware that our government plans to share the data they collect with anybody they want to. While we US citizens (allegedly) enjoy the legal protections provided by our constitution, these will do you no good if someone thinks you've committed a crime on foreign soil - the other country's laws apply. And the crimes that the CTA is targeting are international by definition.

Nothing to hide? Oh, sweet summer child, they'll find something if they want to - and they will feel virtuous doing so.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
As they say in the law biz, if you're guilty you need a lawyer. If you're innocent, you REALLY need a lawyer.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
At this point, resistance is futile.

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