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DennisG7 (Georgia)
Posts: 155
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A few years ago, an HOA member served as a Director while they were also the COO of the HOA's current management company. Upon discovering this, I and several other HOA members contacted the BOD and the HAO President and raised our concerns regarding what we saw as a significant conflict of interest. A couple of months later the person resigned from the BOD. Now the same individual appears to have put their name on the upcoming ballot to run again for the BOD. This person is still in a leadership/management position with a management company, but we do not use the company at this time. I'm very concerned if they are elected that they may force the HOA to contract for Management services with their company.

I personally view this as a possible conflict of interest but I see nothing in our By LAws or CC&R that prohibits it. ANy thoughts?
dennisg7
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,335
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State statutes often have something to say about such conflicts of interest. But every time (if memory serves), the clincher is that, as long as the conflict is disclosed to voting owners, and the person with the conflict abstains from certain votes pertaining to the conflict, the person can continue to lawfully serve on the board.

If you would like me to check what Georgia's nonprofit corporation statute and HOA statute say on this, ask.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,335
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DennisG7, I think reading this Georgia statute section would be worth your time:

https://casetext.com/statute/code-of-georgia/title-14-corporations-partnerships-and-associations/chapter-3-nonprofit-corporations/article-8-directors-and-officers/part-6-conflicting-interest-transactions

I think what I said in my first post here is a fair sound bite of the statute section linked above.
JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
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How does a group "FORCE" an HOA to act in a certain way? The BOD votes...that's the ruling. I don't see the conflict of interest with PRIOR EMPLOYMENT. Don't we all have PRIORS?-lol.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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The person's MC no longer has your HOA's account? how is that a conflict of interest?

Th person would "force" the Lord to contract with their MC?? How can one director "force" a Board to do such a thing???
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Yes, there could be a conflict of interest even if your HOA doesn't use the management company that employs him. It would be more of one if he actually owned the management company. Even if he is only an employee, he could benefit financially if he received a bonus from steering the HOA to his employer. At the very least, it gives the appearance of wrongdoing. It's too bad, because this person probably has a lot of useful experience.

Policies that prohibit conflicts of interests don't just protect two potential adversaries - they also protect the person caught in the middle who can't fulfill his duties to both. A well-run management company probably has language in their employee's contract or elsewhere prohibiting them from acting against the management company's interests. This is something a manager may run up against if he serves on the board of a client HOA that ends up in a dispute of some sort with management.

I've never seen any mention of conflicts of interest in bylaws. Board members have a fiduciary duty to the association, and a conflict of interest is not compatible with that. The issue is implied. HOAs can put something in their policies or codes of conduct for the board, although the situation comes up pretty infrequently. (I'm in my 16th year of serving on a condo association board, and I only had a conflict of interest come up once - I worked for the builder of my community, which had another year or so of work remaining when I was elected. One time I had to recuse myself from a discussion, and apparently nothing came of it. It was no big deal.)
DeanJ
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Posted By DennisG7 on 11/04/2024 6:53 AM
A few years ago, an HOA member served as a Director while they were also the COO of the HOA's current management company. Upon discovering this, I and several other HOA members contacted the BOD and the HAO President and raised our concerns regarding what we saw as a significant conflict of interest. A couple of months later the person resigned from the BOD. Now the same individual appears to have put their name on the upcoming ballot to run again for the BOD. This person is still in a leadership/management position with a management company, but we do not use the company at this time. I'm very concerned if they are elected that they may force the HOA to contract for Management services with their company.

I personally view this as a possible conflict of interest but I see nothing in our By LAws or CC&R that prohibits it. ANy thoughts?
dennisg7

There is no conflict of interest and this person brings a wealth of experiance to your HOA.

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Does your HOA have an annual picnic? Can a person who works at a grocery serve on the board?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By DeanJ on 11/04/2024 9:04 AM
Posted By DennisG7 on 11/04/2024 6:53 AM
A few years ago, an HOA member served as a Director while they were also the COO of the HOA's current management company. Upon discovering this, I and several other HOA members contacted the BOD and the HAO President and raised our concerns regarding what we saw as a significant conflict of interest. A couple of months later the person resigned from the BOD. Now the same individual appears to have put their name on the upcoming ballot to run again for the BOD. This person is still in a leadership/management position with a management company, but we do not use the company at this time. I'm very concerned if they are elected that they may force the HOA to contract for Management services with their company.

I personally view this as a possible conflict of interest but I see nothing in our By LAws or CC&R that prohibits it. ANy thoughts?
dennisg7


There is no conflict of interest and this person brings a wealth of experiance to your HOA.


I agree.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By DeanJ on 11/04/2024 9:07 AM
Does your HOA have an annual picnic? Can a person who works at a grocery serve on the board?

If the board were to sign a contract employing the grocery store to provide professional services in its capacity as a store (eg. running a small outlet store on association premises), then a person who works for the store in a decision-making capacity would have a conflict of interest. If the person stocks groceries or wrangles shopping carts left in the parking lot, then no.

If the board candidate worked for the management company as a janitor, this question wouldn't have even come up. It's because he's a COO at the management company - presumably he's in a position to influence the company's decisions and benefit financially from them.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Like others, I don't see this as a conflict of interest. What you described happened years ago (although you don't say how long ago). You and your neighbors notified the board with your concerns and the member resigned. You didn't say how the board member responded at that time or why he or she resigned a few months later (it may or may not have had anything to do with this). He/she could have learned his/her lesson from that experience, and, as some noted, there's some experience behind this candidate that could benefit the community

Since you don't use that management company anymore, how could this person could "force" the HOA to do anything? It's one vote per board member - this one might not get elected at all, and you know choosing vendors is done by the ENTIRE board. How can one person with one vote force everyone else to do anything?

If this happened over three years ago, I say drop it, but if it still bothers you, and your association has a meet the candidates event, go and ask this candidate your questions and see how he/she responds. Actually, you should put this question to all the candidates - let's see how they would address an actual or potential conflict of interest involving them.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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What would you all say if a board member owned a landscaping company (or was the COO of one)?

Would you have any issues if that board member wanted to bid on the association's landscape contract? Do you believe that he would not have an incentive to undermine the HOA's existing contract with a different company? Assuming he recused himself from discussions and voting on the contract, do you believe that he would be able to fairly and impartially manage the work done by his company if he was awarded the contract? If a dispute arose between the board and his company, would you have any issues if he recused himself again but acted on behalf of his company during negotiations?

Do you believe that this situation is different from the one in the OP? If yes, why?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I, and I think some others, already pointed out the difference. I don't get it. Must be wearing my "duh" hat today.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,335
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Posted By DennisG7 on 11/04/2024 6:53 AM
Now the same individual appears to have put their name on the upcoming ballot to run again for the BOD. This person is still in a leadership/management position with a management company, but we do not use the company at this time. I'm very concerned if they are elected that they may force the HOA to contract for Management services with their company.

I personally view this as a possible conflict of interest
Correct. Per the definition in the statute section I linked, this is a possible conflict of interest. It becomes an actual conflict of interest when first, the guy wins election to the board; and second, anytime there is discussion and/or a vote on a management contract or possibly related management issues where this guy (if elected to the board) has a "beneficial financial interest."
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By CathyA3 on 11/04/2024 9:38 AM
Posted By DeanJ on 11/04/2024 9:07 AM
Does your HOA have an annual picnic? Can a person who works at a grocery serve on the board?


If the board were to sign a contract employing the grocery store to provide professional services in its capacity as a store (eg. running a small outlet store on association premises), then a person who works for the store in a decision-making capacity would have a conflict of interest. If the person stocks groceries or wrangles shopping carts left in the parking lot, then no.

If the board candidate worked for the management company as a janitor, this question wouldn't have even come up. It's because he's a COO at the management company - presumably he's in a position to influence the company's decisions and benefit financially from them.

Except in the original scenario, the homeowner does not work at a company with any connection to the HOA. Even in government where ethics laws are rather rigorous in many states, this would not be a violation of law.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By DeanJ on 11/04/2024 11:16 PM
Posted By CathyA3 on 11/04/2024 9:38 AM
Posted By DeanJ on 11/04/2024 9:07 AM
Does your HOA have an annual picnic? Can a person who works at a grocery serve on the board?


If the board were to sign a contract employing the grocery store to provide professional services in its capacity as a store (eg. running a small outlet store on association premises), then a person who works for the store in a decision-making capacity would have a conflict of interest. If the person stocks groceries or wrangles shopping carts left in the parking lot, then no.

If the board candidate worked for the management company as a janitor, this question wouldn't have even come up. It's because he's a COO at the management company - presumably he's in a position to influence the company's decisions and benefit financially from them.


Except in the original scenario, the homeowner does not work at a company with any connection to the HOA. Even in government where ethics laws are rather rigorous in many states, this would not be a violation of law.

Quote from original post:

"A few years ago, an HOA member served as a Director while they were also the COO of the HOA's current management company. Upon discovering this, I and several other HOA members contacted the BOD and the HAO President and raised our concerns regarding what we saw as a significant conflict of interest. A couple of months later the person resigned from the BOD. Now the same individual appears to have put their name on the upcoming ballot to run again for the BOD. This person is still in a leadership/management position with a management company, but we do not use the company at this time. I'm very concerned if they are elected that they may force the HOA to contract for Management services with their company."

It was an actual conflict of interest in the first case. It is a potential conflict of interest if the person were to be elected to the board now. Unless you believe that management companies have no connection to an HOA...
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By CathyA3 on 11/05/2024 5:06 AM
Posted By DeanJ on 11/04/2024 11:16 PM
Posted By CathyA3 on 11/04/2024 9:38 AM
Posted By DeanJ on 11/04/2024 9:07 AM
Does your HOA have an annual picnic? Can a person who works at a grocery serve on the board?


If the board were to sign a contract employing the grocery store to provide professional services in its capacity as a store (eg. running a small outlet store on association premises), then a person who works for the store in a decision-making capacity would have a conflict of interest. If the person stocks groceries or wrangles shopping carts left in the parking lot, then no.

If the board candidate worked for the management company as a janitor, this question wouldn't have even come up. It's because he's a COO at the management company - presumably he's in a position to influence the company's decisions and benefit financially from them.


Except in the original scenario, the homeowner does not work at a company with any connection to the HOA. Even in government where ethics laws are rather rigorous in many states, this would not be a violation of law.


Quote from original post:

"A few years ago, an HOA member served as a Director while they were also the COO of the HOA's current management company. Upon discovering this, I and several other HOA members contacted the BOD and the HAO President and raised our concerns regarding what we saw as a significant conflict of interest. A couple of months later the person resigned from the BOD. Now the same individual appears to have put their name on the upcoming ballot to run again for the BOD. This person is still in a leadership/management position with a management company, but we do not use the company at this time. I'm very concerned if they are elected that they may force the HOA to contract for Management services with their company."

It was an actual conflict of interest in the first case. It is a potential conflict of interest if the person were to be elected to the board now. Unless you believe that management companies have no connection to an HOA...

Yes, and the business relationship between the company and HOA ended. So did any con flight of interest.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By DennisG7 on 11/04/2024 6:53 AM
A few years ago, an HOA member served as a Director while they were also the COO of the HOA's current management company. Upon discovering this, I and several other HOA members contacted the BOD and the HAO President and raised our concerns regarding what we saw as a significant conflict of interest. A couple of months later the person resigned from the BOD. Now the same individual appears to have put their name on the upcoming ballot to run again for the BOD. This person is still in a leadership/management position with a management company, but we do not use the company at this time. I'm very concerned if they are elected that they may force the HOA to contract for Management services with their company.

I personally view this as a possible conflict of interest but I see nothing in our By LAws or CC&R that prohibits it. ANy thoughts?
dennisg7

It seems the individual is lacking integrity - especially if the blatant conflict was not disclosed. This person, if elected, should not have any part in interviewing or obtaining quotes from prospective management companies if his company is an option and he definitely should abstain from voting.
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
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Hi,

I can understand your concern. This person gave the HOA a reason not to trust them already. I think that as long as the potential conflict is disclosed, the person can run.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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There is no conflict of interest and this person brings a wealth of experience to your HOA.


I agree that here is no conflict of interest.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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There is a "potential" conflict of interest, IF this director needs to vote on a management company AND/or s/he nominates their firm, etc., per Terri. But, even then and with the Board knowing the person works at that firm, s/he cannot "force" anything.

Agreeing with Dean & Kelly, with no current relationship between xxx's firm and the Association, there is no conflict or "potential" conflict of interest.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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There is a "potential" conflict of interest, IF this director needs to vote on a management company AND/or s/he nominates their firm, etc., per Terri. But, even then, and with the Board knowing the person works at that firm, s/he cannot "force" anything.

Agreeing with Dean & Kelly, with no current relationship between xxx's firm and the Association, there is no conflict or "potential" conflict of interest.

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