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PhilipB4 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Does anyone have any thoughts (or list) of the Do's and Don't a candidate should abide to when campaigning for a Board position. For example, should they be able to text or email all residents of the HOA. What about door hangers, posters, sliding a flyer under a door or posting a flyer in an elevator. Also should current Board members campaign or make their view know to residents who they should vote for. Thanks!!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Don't do so much that you become a pest in the eyes of some.

If what is being handed out is ending up as litter in the common areas, quit handing it out and (as a sign of good intentions) pick the litter up and place it in the trash.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Are you on the Board? Well, Calif., has a big list of HOA dos and don'ts about campaigning, with which our HOA complies.

So the first thing is to check with your state o see if any restrictions. Next what about your own CC&Rs?
rs or rules. & regs? Do they ban yard signs? Items act homes' front doors?

We're a condo bldg.too and no residents may post any items in our elevators. But we do have a community bulletin board on which a candidate may post a campaign flyer limited to 5"x7".

If owners are allowed to have owners' email addies, yes, a candidate may send a campaign email unless there's some written restriction.

Like any other owner, candidates for election or reelection may campaign for themselves or for others. In my hOA they can post one campaign in their condo window not to exceed 3X3 per CA law.

Is there anything in mind that you want to do or don't want others to do in campaigning?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Keep your campaign positive. Emphasize what you want to do for the community. If some of what you want to do is stuff that has been neglected by previous boards, you will make your point without actually criticizing them.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Please rest your question, Philip. I thought you were asking if there are any typical rules.

Cathy thinks you're asking about campaign content.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PhilipB4 on 10/24/2024 10:31 AM
Does anyone have any thoughts (or list) of the Do's and Don't a candidate should abide to when campaigning for a Board position. For example, should they be able to text or email all residents of the HOA. What about door hangers, posters, sliding a flyer under a door or posting a flyer in an elevator. Also should current Board members campaign or make their view know to residents who they should vote for. Thanks!!

My question is how they get the phone numbers and email addresses. Normally this is personal information not provided by the HOA and current board members should not be using this information.

As far as printed materials, what your current rules on these items remain in force.

While some will disagree, any member, including a current board member, may endorse any candidate they desire for election.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
In Calif, all ownrs have access to all ownr's email addies--requests have to be a certain way. I think this also applies to some other states. Ohio??

We do not have access to phones #s in CA

I agree that at any owner, candidate or not may campaign, endorse. any. c andante. I don't know how anyone could disagree?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I do have an issue with board members campaigning openly for candidates, although it's not a drop-dead deal-breaker issue yet. I may change my opinion in the future, though.

The problem is whether the director is acting as a director or is acting as a homeowner - and the fact that most homeowners can't tell the difference. (We had one homeowner who insisted that a director had to recuse himself from voting in the election because he had a conflict of interest. This is the level of understanding you'll be dealing with.)

In theory a director doesn't lose his ownership rights when he's elected, but in practice I think he does in some circumstances. For example, he has more options for criticizing the board if he's no longer on it. In this instance, he'd be trying to influence the outcome of a vote - and the lines are blurred to the point of dissolving whether he's acting as Joe Director or Joe Homeowner or both.

Bonus question for extra credit: compare and contrast campaigning for a candidate vs. campaigning for a proposed amendment to the CC&Rs. Is one OK but the other is not? Why?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
While unusual, I completely disagree with Cathy on this one.

Joe D only "does" this title while acting with his fellow directors at meetings. BOARDS act, not individual directors. Joe D is always Joe H. And Joe H has the same rights as any other Owner. He can criticize, campaign, etc..

HOW he does these things-stupidly or effectively-- isn't the topic here.

I campaigned for myself twice to be reelected the 8 time I ran and won. I also campaigned for others when I was on the Board

I don't understated this from Cathy: "For example, he has more options for criticizing the board if he's no longer on it. In this instance, he'd be trying to influence the outcome of a vote - and the lines are blurred to the point of dissolving whether he's acting as Joe Director or Joe Homeowner or both."

Campaigning ,of course, is trying to influence the outcome of owners' votes. ....
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
The problem I have is that a board member's opinion carries weight, especially if the person is the President. You can explain that the director is acting in their capacity as a homeowner. But you can't stop a homeowner from thinking "the board says ..." when a single director speaks. You can also have the opposite reaction. Somebody hates Good Ol' Joe President and is against everything he does - so he'll vote against the candidate Joe supports.

I wish this didn't happen. But I don't think it helps to ignore the dynamic. Is it enough to change the outcome of an election? Don't know, maybe not except in a very close election - but we can't know for sure that it doesn't.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I still disagree. We have a few owners who everyone seems to know from past Board service or Social Community Service. And we hav had some terrible presidents and some excellent ones. And we, like any social organizations have some -- dare I say it-- influencers. They can influence the outcome, just as in a local election, etc. This should NOT limit their voice.

Oddly, very little campaigning is done in my HOA. nd I can think of few sections where the loser, incumbent or otherwise could have won with campaigning.

We had our election on 10/21. 5 candidates for 3 spots.. One director sent a letter urging about a dozen people, including me, to reelect "Jo." This director is very inactive and useless, ,just like "Jo" was during hr almost 2 years of service.

I sent an email to about 25 owners who I felt might not vote. I rec'd a man for reelection, and a newbie, whose Candidate Statement and words at our Candidates Night, which was very lightly attended (?), were good one.s.

I wrote that my experience with 30+ (!) directors over the years of my service here was that ppl. newly retired from their longtime "career" often are looking for a new interest and that that have been the strongest, most productive directors, thus the newbie.

In my campaign blurb, I rec'd "Sara," a CPA, who'd served on our Finance Committee , who'd showed up at Candidate Night ( Jo had not).

Surprisingly to me, Sara got the most votes, then the newbie, then the incumbent. Jo was a rather distant 4th.

I do think I influenced the outcome. But every other owner has exactly the SAME opportunity. I do think a few ppl.might be mad at me. I do NOT think that being "known" disquaifies any owner from campaigning for self or others.

BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 973
Posted:
Here's a (not especially hypothetical) scenario: A neighborhood has an unofficial Facebook page which, though 'unofficial', is subscribed to by most of the neighborhood. The person who runs the FB page is extremely biased, and has been known to simply remove content that comes from people she doesn't like. There is no oversight on this 'unofficial' FB page.

I'm uncertain what, if anything, can be done about this.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Should this be a new topic, BillD?
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Not in Ohio Kerry. If we were to provide an HOA produced directory, we would require each owner to sign a release.

Due to people maliciously putting emails on bulk mailing lists, any email I provided an HOA would worthlessjunk@ server.com.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 10/25/2024 4:29 PM
Should this be a new topic, BillD?

It's worth talking about since his is not an uncommon scenario.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 10/25/2024 12:33 PM
I still disagree. We have a few owners who everyone seems to know from past Board service or Social Community Service. And we hav had some terrible presidents and some excellent ones. And we, like any social organizations have some -- dare I say it-- influencers. They can influence the outcome, just as in a local election, etc. This should NOT limit their voice.

Oddly, very little campaigning is done in my HOA. nd I can think of few sections where the loser, incumbent or otherwise could have won with campaigning.

We had our election on 10/21. 5 candidates for 3 spots.. One director sent a letter urging about a dozen people, including me, to reelect "Jo." This director is very inactive and useless, ,just like "Jo" was during hr almost 2 years of service.

I sent an email to about 25 owners who I felt might not vote. I rec'd a man for reelection, and a newbie, whose Candidate Statement and words at our Candidates Night, which was very lightly attended (?), were good one.s.

I wrote that my experience with 30+ (!) directors over the years of my service here was that ppl. newly retired from their longtime "career" often are looking for a new interest and that that have been the strongest, most productive directors, thus the newbie.

In my campaign blurb, I rec'd "Sara," a CPA, who'd served on our Finance Committee , who'd showed up at Candidate Night ( Jo had not).

Surprisingly to me, Sara got the most votes, then the newbie, then the incumbent. Jo was a rather distant 4th.

I do think I influenced the outcome. But every other owner has exactly the SAME opportunity. I do think a few ppl.might be mad at me. I do NOT think that being "known" disquaifies any owner from campaigning for self or others.


We'll have to agree to disagree. And note that being "known" is not the deciding factor for me. People can "influence" to their hearts content, but my issue is that a current board member influences every time they open their mouths by virtue of their position. They can't turn it off and on.

I think it's an issue, maybe not a big one depending on circumstances. It's also the nature of the beast. If people want others to do their thinking for them, so be it. Not my circus, etc.

On the other hand, I don't think I got an answer to the following. In the past we've discussed amendments to the CC&Rs in California, and someone (Terry?) said that boards are not allowed to influence the outcome of that vote in any way. Even if it means that owners will be voting without important information that would allow them to make a good choice - the board needs to zip it and let the community vote uninformed.

My question: how is this different? The amendment is potentially higher stakes since it's harder to undo than an unwise choice for director, but otherwise I'm not seeing why these two things should be treated differently.

I'm not arguing so much as trying to resolve an apparent contradiction.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PhilipB4 on 10/24/2024 10:31 AM
Does anyone have any thoughts (or list) of the Do's and Don't a candidate should abide to when campaigning for a Board position. For example, should they be able to text or email all residents of the HOA. What about door hangers, posters, sliding a flyer under a door or posting a flyer in an elevator. Also should current Board members campaign or make their view know to residents who they should vote for. Thanks!!

I think it's helpful for a known director to make his choices known about candidates.
But email, text, door hangers, flyers don't really respect neighbors' privacy and it tells others that your neighbor is not at home.
A personal note or letter mailed to neighbors would be better received methinks.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Regarding proposed amendments, our board had planned to have its attorney write a letter to members encouraging them to vote yes on the changes and I told my board they can't use association funds in an election campaign whether it's for directors or other type of election.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
One person's opinions:

I'd start with rules you may already have regarding posting anything in the common areas. For example, if you already prohibit attaching flyers, posters, etc., in the elevators, hallways, 3tc., why should a board election campaign be any different?

If you have a policy on providing owner lists, use that. Candidates should know what information may or may not be available, based on the homeowner's preference, so if they don't get a bunch of email addresses, they'll just have to knock on doors, as LetA noted. If someone objects to getting an email, text or several, they should take that up with the candidate and the association should stay out of it. They could remind candidates not to stick anything in mailboxes without postage becwuse that's illegal.

Regarding board members endorsing specific candidates, I think if you're a former board member or are stepping down, dowhatyoulike. If you're running for reelection or it's not yet time for your spot to open up, I'd prefer that you stay neutral and stick to discussing association issues and your take on them. You should be able to work with whoever gets elected or reelected, because running the association effectively must take priority.

This is another reason why I push meet the candidate nights - have everyone make a presentation on who they are, why they want the spot, issues they're especially interested in, etc. Homeowner can then ask questions and may the best person(s) win.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
In some states, if running for the BOD they must be given access to the owner mailing list.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The difference, Cathy, is that this post is about if an individual owner-- also a director-- may be permitted to exercise their freedom of speech and campaign* for SELF or others using their own resources.

Cathy's example of an amendment to, say, the CC&Rs is about the actual BOARD (NOT an individual) of directors and it spending HOA funds (staff time, US mail, etc) to urge a yes vote. And in CA, Associations, by law, may not use any HOA resources to urge owners to vote yes UNLESS every individual owners has access at no cost to the same resource.

So per our attorney per re: 2022 restatement of our CC&Rs, the HOA can send info with the notable changes in it and explain them as our Board did vetted by our GC. He also participated in a Town Hall to explain the proposed changes. The. ballot letter also explained where to view on our web site a proposed version vs. the original. So Onwrs had PLENTY of info.

All communication from the HOA to owners urged them to vote.Period. We had elevator notices pleading for ownrs to vote. Towards the end, there was a weekly drawing for $100 for those who voted (by secret ballot).

NOW, at the INDIVIDUAL director's level: We divided the 6 directors plus me, who'd just retired from the Board, into 7 precincts and each of us used our own resources to campaign for a yes vote in any way we were willing.. We have 25%. absentee owner. I mainly used email. Some put flyers under owners doors (interior hallways in high rise bldg.) also permitted by CA statute.

We campaigned for about 4-5 months.

Per CA law,if any of us 6 had wanted to, we could have used a "party room" at no rental cost and invited our "precinct's owners" for treats & and a speech or whatever. Our Rules permit one window sign, so we could have done that as Individual directors.

I also am saying "so what?"if every individual director "influences" when they open their mouths individually outside of meetings. I assume that ownrs who attend board meetings influence. those who do not. I assume that ownrs who read meeting minutes inv fluency more than those who do not

* Again, the OP isn't talking about the wisdom of such.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
So it's not the influencing per se - it's who is paying for it. Makes sense that these could be viewed differently.

My remaining quibble is that a current director's words carry special weight regardless of who's paying for them. It's unavoidable. When I'm on the board, I censor my speech. I assume someone may quote me, or twist my words, or whatnot. I only say what I would be comfortable having repeated to the entire community. Yes, it imposes limits on my behavior - but in my view that goes with the job.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I entirely agree,Cathy, that. directors have an obligation and duty to exhibit behavior to community members that's beyond reproach. As a director, then, I never criticized other directors,* board decisions, etc. Just one reason is that the Business Judgement Rule-- the BJR--every state seems to have a version--which states that we must be loyal to our association..

Note while that does not mean loyalty to "the Board," but to the governing docs--to "the corporation." Bu, a serving director bad-mouthing other directors, mgmt, or etc. IS NOT GOOD for the corporation.

That is is a different thing than campaigning. I saw a current PA senator campaign for another. I saw the current termed-out gov of NC campaigning for a candidate and against the rival. Why in the world should HOA leaders by censored & muffled???

The answer I seem to see is it feels wrong.

* In one of my efforts for reelection, a competitor did campaign against me specifically. She was Board prez (and lousy chair) at the time. Though against our Rules & Reg at that time, she had her hubby deliver flyers under 200+ doors. She had a huge financial error in them. I wrote a brief rejoinder and put a stack of copies in the mailroom. My Candidates Night words are far more professional & knowledgeable than hers.

I won, she lost. After the results are announced at the annual meeting, she left the table, she retuned dabbling at her eyes. Sheesh.

WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
In North Carolina chapter 47F allows political signs up to 60 days before an election and an HOA can't band them, but can restrict their size. I published this in our news letter and now we have a few HARRIS/WALZ signs in our neighborhood. People thought it was not allowed because our outdated CCRs state no signs. It would apply for HOA board elections as well. Also the same law applies to getting everyone's name and address. One can go to government websties like polaris 3g in Charlotte, NC and get this public information pretty easily as well. I would mail out post cards. One can buy discount forever stamps online which makes mailing post cards pretty reasonalbe.

vis ta vie
PhilipB4 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Thank you for your response. Good input. I am not on the Board but lead a sub committee for the Board. We are in MA so will need to check local laws.
What is your position of Board members campaigning/endorsing a candidate??
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
My position should be clear in the above. Just as in the larger society, owners enjoy freedom of speech. They do not lose it when they are board members. I doubt such censnsrhship would stand up in court.

I've seen a few Codes of Ethics & "Commitment Pledges" for HOAs, and none say direcotrs should not campaign for others for election to director. And would it say I cannot campaign for REelection as director??? To me that's incredibly wrong!

I almost always agree with Cathy on everything, but not this time

HOW a director campaigns is a DIFFERENT question.

Wha is a "sub-committee"of the board, Philip??? laws and states'coporation codes give board the atuhroty to form committees. But "Sub-committee?

Why, Philip, does your board or sub-committee think directors should NOT campaign.

Do notice that not n may here answered your question.

Any campaign rules, e.g., no flyers in h kevators, etc. should apply to all in you hOA. Or flyers on community bulletin Boards must be limited to x" x X".

Flyers at door may b dealt with in your state's statutes??

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