💬 Join us to post & get advice from 50,000 HOA & Condo leaders.

Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in

ScottP16 (Texas)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Our Texas HOA transitioned to association control this year and we elected our own Board and I was appointed to our Architectural Committee. However, in reading our CC&Rs it became clear to me that the Declarant did not officially end the Development Period which is required in order for the membership to have the authority to elect our own Board. The Management Company has consistently demonstrated that it doesn't understand our specific HOA Governing Documents and wants to treat all managed HOAs the same to make their operation easier. I'm guessing since it is often the case with HOAs that once 100% of the Lots have been transferred that the transition can occur that they just assumed this was this case with our HOA. In my research I've found numerous HOAs in the area with the same/similar CC&Rs (same developers within a company umbrella) and can find no evidence of instruments Recorded with the County ending a development period. I expect this company will not be happy to be dealing with this either.

So, my concern is that our Board is not legitimate and that anyone willing to pursue legal action would prove this out (e.g. someone receiving a Violation/Fines could rightfully claim the Board has no legal authority and win their case).

Does anyone have experience with this or know of any case law for such situations?

I've been trying for 2 months to get action on this from our Management Company and Board but they have been dragging their feet (no surprise since both stand to lose favor if this comes to light). I believe it is in the best interest of the community to get the official sign-off from the Declarant and start over again by electing a new Board. Likely to be messy but likely less so than continuing on and having to deal with it later.

Before I go find a lawyer for advice I thought I'd ask here for any words of wisdom...

CC&Rs References:

[In a highlight box and the only reference mentioning an end based on 100% lots rather than signed instrument]
Declarant enjoys special rights and privileges to help protect its investment in the
Property. These special rights are described in this Declaration. Many of these rights
do not terminate until either Declarant: (i) has conveyed all Lots which may be
created out of the Property; or (ii) voluntarily terminates these rights by a Recorded written instrument.

[Definition of Development Period immediately following above that contradicts (i) above]
“Development Period” means the period of time beginning on the date when this Declaration has been Recorded, and ending twenty (20) years thereafter, unless earlier terminated by a Recorded written instrument executed by the Declarant. Declarant may terminate the Development Period by an instrument executed by Declarant and Recorded. The Development Period is the period in which Declarant reserves the right to facilitate the development, construction, and marketing of the Property, and the right to direct the size, shape and composition of the Property. The Development Period is for a term of years and does not require that Declarant own any portion of the Property.

[section on Governance]
Declarant shall continue to have the sole right to appoint and remove two-thirds of the Board from and after the Initial Member Election Meeting until expiration or termination of the Development Period.

The Texas Property Code calls for the election of 1/3 of Board after 75% Lots sold but I have not found nor am aware of any state-level requirement for a hand-off at 100% sold.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
What do you believe that the developer should have done to formalize the transition?

I'm asking because in my community, we owners assumed control when all three board seats were occupied by an owner, which per our governing documents happened when 75% of the units were sold. This happened a few years before the developer/builder completed construction and finished the remaining tasks (grading and finishing the detention pond, repaying streets, repairing any construction damage, etc.). In fact this period lasted longer than had been planned because of the Great Recession.

We had a punch list of final items that the developer and the board agreed on and that the board signed off on when everything was completed. And that was it.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Also, does your HOA have an attorney? if so, that would be the person to direct your questions to.

Re: the management company, it's not unusual for these companies to standardize their operations. Most of what they do involves handling assessments, paying bills, producing the monthly financial reports, developing the budget (which the board should be involved in), and maybe presiding at meetings if the board chooses to delegate that. The kinds of things that do require tailoring to individual communities are things that the board will be involved in (dealing with violations since the details of "due process" may vary among communities). It's also in a community's best interests for this to happen. It saves money and reduces the possibility for the kinds of errors that occur if everything is an exception.

Could this be a problem? Maybe - but I need details. There is certainly variety among communities, but the routine stuff is pretty standard. You don't want innovation when it comes to handling the money.
ScottP16 (Texas)
Posts: 9
Posted:
In the CC&R references I gave it states that a "signed, Recorded instrument" is required. "Recorded" is defined in the CC&Rs as being filed with the County. So -- there should be a document signed by the Declarant formally ending the Development Period that is filed with the County. Otherwise the Declarant still has sole authority to appoint 2/3 of the Board and so I believe a member election was not authorized and so our Board is not legitimate.

We do not have an Attorney as far as I am aware and requests to the Management Company for legal advice on my part have gone unanswered. The last status from our Management Company rep indicated that paperwork had been started with the Declarant. Again, this has been months now so I don't have a lot of confidence that progress is being made nor that they will actually initiate a new election so we have a legitimate Board.

So that's the real issue as hand -- am I correct that our Board is not legitimate (even if we get a post-election sign-off from the Declarant)?
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
are 100% of the lots sold? if so what they heck are you complaining about? the formality of a peice of paper being sent to someone? really?

vis ta vie
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I think the board is probably fine as long as it was elected properly. Homeowners can be in control before the developer formally signs off, as happened in my community. During that period there probably will be some limitations on what each can do, but your CC&Rs should address that.

I Googled "Texas HOA developer transition", and here's the AI summary:

AI Overview

A Texas homeowners association (HOA) developer transition agreement transfers ownership or control of a property from a developer to a homeowners association, property management company, or individual property owners. The process can vary depending on the property, its purpose, and governing documents. Here are some things to consider during the transition.

When to start: It's usually best to start the transition process as early as possible, as it can take a year or more.

Financial management:

The developer should provide a detailed account of the HOA's finances, including budgets, expenditures, and debts. An accountant can audit the developer's financial documents and check for mismanagement.

Transition timing:

Texas law provides for the timing of the transition. For example, at least one-third of the board members must be elected by non-developer owners within 120 days of the developer conveying 50% of the units.

Governing documents:

The community's governing documents, specifically the CC&Rs, will usually indicate the transition process.

Legal counsel:

Homeowners should seek legal counsel to advise them on how to pursue the transition.

HOA control:

HOA control means the authority to elect or appoint at least a majority of the HOA's directors.


So... do you have a sense that the developer is dragging his heels for some reason? Ordinarily developers want to finish up with a community and go on to the next one - they don't make money unless they're building and selling. AI also recommended involving an HOA attorney, and it will probably be necessary if the developer is playing games. Most HOA attorneys have dealt with disputes during the transition period, so this would be familiar territory for them.
ScottP16 (Texas)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Depends on how important the piece of paper is if legally challenged which is what I specifically asked about.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Is the developer still around (as a company developing other projects)? If so, you could ask them where you can get copies of whatever paperwork officially turned the community over to the homeowners. I would think those papers had to be filed somewhere, perhaps with the secretary of State's corporations department? You can look up its website and call for more information. There may even be an online database you can check.

Like Wendy, I'm also wondering what your real beef is. You said you were appointed head of the architectural committee and then started talking about the CCRs. Did you and/or the committee make a decision that was overruled by the board or the property manager said "no, you can't do X"? Read your documents to see if the duties of the committee are defined or if that's set by the board. The CCRs usually dictate how the common areas are regulated (like which exterior changes have to pre-approved) and the bylaws dictate how the community is to be run, like length of term for board members. Maybe you were looking in the wrong place.

As for the property manager, they work under the boards direction so if tye manager said so etching you disagree with, you may need to start by looking at its contract with the association to see what they are supposed to. There could be a misunderstanding or this board is letting the property manager do their thinking for them, which isn't good.

Back to your documents. If they give the board final authority on, say approving g exterior change requests and the architectureal committee only makes recommendations, this starts to sound like you're looking for a technicality that would deem this board illegitimate and therefore the decisions it's made (like overruling you or the committee) shouldn't stand, and so another one should be voted in. That may not work, so perhaps you should go to your own attorney for an opinion.

Then you'll need to consider how far you're willing to go to prove your point. Are you willing to file your own lawsuit and if so, are you prepared to deal with any ensuing fallout? I'm not saying you're wrong or should drop this, but anyone can sue for anything so of you're going this route, you may as well win. It helps if you have homeowners who feel the same as you and can demand answers. Maybe you ro need a new board, meaning you'll need people willing to step up and that may include you. But be careful what you wish for - you may get it.

This could be


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Some where in the declaration there should be a section on voting rights and who may serve on the board. If all the lots are sold, the declaration t has no ownership interest or voting rights - he is done.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Re: HOA committees - they serve at the pleasure of the board, and committee members may be removed with or without cause. The board is always the final authority.

In the years that I've been posting on this site, I remember only one person who claimed that his ACC had binding authority over the decisions they made. Since this was such an outlier, I'm skeptical of that claim since the poster didn't provide a verbatim quote from his bylaws that supported his position.
ScottP16 (Texas)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Where's the beef?

It's just incredulous to me that the Declarant who created the Governing Documents in the first place fails to read or follow them. Why add all these specific rules in the CC&Rs related to "signed, Recorded instrument" for ending the Development Period if they are not going to follow through with that?

Likewise with the management company who is a paid consultant and supposedly the reliable experts -- is it too much to ask that they actually read and follow these rules when guiding our HOA through this process?

Maybe I'm just the old cranky guy who expects too much by wanting people to do their jobs?
ScottP16 (Texas)
Posts: 9
Posted:
If nothing else, here is evidence regarding ACC authority...

I'm not sure about rules in Ohio but in Texas the ACC is not a committee of the Board and has independent authority for approving architectural changes. For my HOA the Board has the authority to appoint members of the ACC and to remove them with or without cause but they have no oversight over the ACC except through an appeals process.

From Texas Homeowners Association Law, Chapter 8.2 Establishment of an Architectural Committee:

"One of the biggest misconceptions regarding an Architectural Committee is that it is a committee of a Homeowners Association. It is not."

It continues...

"A committee of a Homeowners Association is technically a committee created by a Board of Directors of a Nonprofit Corporation HOA under the statutory authority established by the Texas Nonprofit Corporation Law. An Architectural Committee, on the other hand, is established by a Declaration, not by a Nonprofit Corporation HOA's Board of Directors, and it is generally established as a group separate and independent from the Nonprofit Corporation HOA, with its own exclusive powers and authority to approve proposed construction or modification of Improvements upon Lots and Units. For such reason, the provisions of a Homeowners Association's Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws, and even the Texas Nonprofit Corporation Law, typically do not apply to an Architectural Committee.

ScottP16 (Texas)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Another anecdote from a cranky old guy...

So when we were looking over the Deed prior to buying our home in this HOA I discovered that the Restrictions section included a reference to an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT HOA. At this point they had sold close to 200 homes and all of them had this mistake in their Deeds. This could legally hold those homeowners to following the rules for that other HOA and potentially even require them to pay assessments to that other HOA.

Now would you have a beef with that or disregard it because it's just a "piece of paper"?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Scott

If this stuff is that important to you, hire an attorney and wade in.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ScottP16 on 10/20/2024 6:56 AM
If nothing else, here is evidence regarding ACC authority...

I'm not sure about rules in Ohio but in Texas the ACC is not a committee of the Board and has independent authority for approving architectural changes. For my HOA the Board has the authority to appoint members of the ACC and to remove them with or without cause but they have no oversight over the ACC except through an appeals process.

From Texas Homeowners Association Law, Chapter 8.2 Establishment of an Architectural Committee:

"One of the biggest misconceptions regarding an Architectural Committee is that it is a committee of a Homeowners Association. It is not."

It continues...

"A committee of a Homeowners Association is technically a committee created by a Board of Directors of a Nonprofit Corporation HOA under the statutory authority established by the Texas Nonprofit Corporation Law. An Architectural Committee, on the other hand, is established by a Declaration, not by a Nonprofit Corporation HOA's Board of Directors, and it is generally established as a group separate and independent from the Nonprofit Corporation HOA, with its own exclusive powers and authority to approve proposed construction or modification of Improvements upon Lots and Units. For such reason, the provisions of a Homeowners Association's Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws, and even the Texas Nonprofit Corporation Law, typically do not apply to an Architectural Committee.


The parts in bold would seem to be contradictory, because "declaration" is a commonly used synonym for "CC&Rs". In the context of an HOA, the CC&Rs or Declaration is the document that creates an HOA as a legal entity.

It also seems odd to say that an Architectural Committee exists independently from an HOA. There would be no need for such a committee without some kind of association with standards that should be enforced.

Just out of curiosity, where are the standards which this committee is supposed to enforce written down? And do Texas purchase contracts contain language stating that that the buyer will be subject to two bodies with the right to enforce covenants and restrictions? And who appoints the committee members? Or they elected by the membership at a meeting separate from the annual meeting? Do owners have the right to remove and replace committee members, as they do with HOA board members? What guardrails are in place to prevent committee members from establishing their own little dictatorship? (We've all heard the stories.)

Seems like a good way to create problems, as if HOAs don't have enough...
TristaJ (Texas)
Posts: 96
Posted:
Does your management company begin with the letter C and second word M?
ScottP16 (Texas)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TristaJ on 10/20/2024 12:47 PM
Does your management company begin with the letter C and second word M?

No Mine Isn't
ScottP16 (Texas)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Actually I believe the HOA is created as a Non-Profit Organization via the Articles of Incorporation (aka Certificate of Formation). That paragraph is saying the ACC exists independent of the non-profit status NOT that it is independent of the HOA. The ACC is established via the CC&Rs which is also where most of the Restrictions are documented (i.e. standards the committee enforces). Re-read my earlier post re: Board appoints and can remove the ACC members.

Texas Property Code sets guardrails between the Board and ACC to avoid too much power (e.g. can't have family members on both, specific procedures for appealing ACC decisions via a meeting with the Board).
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Our buddy AI says:

Articles of incorporation and declarations are different documents with different purposes.

Articles of incorporation:

A legal document filed with the state to create a corporation. The articles of incorporation establish the corporation's name, type, legal status, and main purpose. They also define the corporation's initial board of directors.

Declaration:

A document used in court proceedings to authenticate evidence, lock in a witness, or provide relevant evidence. In the context of an association, the declaration is a governing document that carries the most legal weight and is often called the association's "constitution". The declaration is also known as the Covenants, Conditions, and Restrictions (CC&Rs).

In the context of an association, the articles of incorporation, declaration, and bylaws are the three main governing documents. The hierarchy of these documents is:

Declaration: The priority document
Articles of incorporation: Next in the hierarchy
Bylaws: Last in the hierarchy


I remain puzzled as to how an ACC can exist independent of an HOA and have independent authority over activity within the HOA.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I personally do not like to see committees with to much power. The BOD was elected to run the corporation, not the ACC.
As as one can appeal an ACC ruling to the BOD, the BOD is still the one with final approval as it should be
ScottP16 (Texas)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 10/21/2024 8:29 AM

I remain puzzled as to how an ACC can exist independent of an HOA and have independent authority over activity within the HOA.

I think you're still getting tripped up over the terminology difference between the HOA overall and it's establishment as a non-profit organization. The ACC is definitely part of the former just not the latter.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The first words in our CC&Rs:

"ARTICLE 1
RECITALS
1.1 ASSOCIATION. The Association is a California non-profit mutual benefit cor-
poration whose Members are the Owners of all of the Condominiums within that development
of real property in the City of xxxxx “the City”), known as xxxx xxxx xxxx and whose
legal description is set out in Recital 1.2 below."
-

Don't yours have any such language, Scott?

🎯 You've read this entire discussion

Join the conversation with 50,000 HOA & Condo Leaders:

  • ✓ Ask follow-up questions
  • ✓ Share your experience
  • ✓ Get expert advice
  • ✓ Access 350,000 discussions
Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in here