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BrendaP5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 44
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A few questions I have and hope to get help.Can an aecc board members knock on community residents doors another citizen/bussiness in the community?My husband is a builder/contractor in our subdivision and they plainly don’t like contractors.A member of the aecc board chose to go knock on a residents door and warn them that my husband uses unsafe burning practices while clearing his lots and burning brush.I know it’s very u professional but is this not slander?Another question is the aecc wanted the regulations changed on roof pitches.The only thing in the restrictions on roof pitches is listed under mobile homes and it states mobile homes must have 6/12 roof pith so really there’s no restriction on stick built roof pitch.we challenged it and when they realized we could build a stick built with 5/12 pitch they approved it but stated rules would be changed.The board voted to change all roof pitch to at least 6/12.Can they do that or does the community residents need to vote.Remember it was never a rule for stick built homes so they are actually making a rule that only board members voted on.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By BrendaP5 on 10/15/2024 8:11 PM
A few questions I have and hope to get help.Can an aecc board members knock on community residents doors another citizen/bussiness in the community?My husband is a builder/contractor in our subdivision and they plainly don’t like contractors.A member of the aecc board chose to go knock on a residents door and warn them that my husband uses unsafe burning practices while clearing his lots and burning brush.I know it’s very u professional but is this not slander?Another question is the aecc wanted the regulations changed on roof pitches.The only thing in the restrictions on roof pitches is listed under mobile homes and it states mobile homes must have 6/12 roof pith so really there’s no restriction on stick built roof pitch.we challenged it and when they realized we could build a stick built with 5/12 pitch they approved it but stated rules would be changed.The board voted to change all roof pitch to at least 6/12.Can they do that or does the community residents need to vote.Remember it was never a rule for stick built homes so they are actually making a rule that only board members voted on.

There seems to be a lot going on in this post.

Q. Is a statement made of a contractor using unsafe burning practices slander?
A. Not if it’s true.

Q. Can an AECC member knock on a door and warn them about the unsafe practices of a contractor?
A. Yes. The question is were they acting as an AECC member or an individual? Either way, your attorney can send a cease and desist letter to the person and the HOA with a warning of a law suit slander.

Q. Can a HOA adopt or chsmge a design standard without approval of the owners?
A. Usually the Board has the authority to adopt/ change design standards without owner approval.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By BrendaP5 on 10/15/2024 8:11 PM

Can an aecc board members knock on community residents doors another citizen/bussiness in the community?

Can someone knock on doors? Of course they can.

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Posted By BrendaP5 on 10/15/2024 8:11 PM

My husband is a builder/contractor in our subdivision and they plainly don’t like contractors.A member of the aecc board chose to go knock on a residents door and warn them that my husband uses unsafe burning practices while clearing his lots and burning brush.I know it’s very u professional but is this not slander?

I am not an attorney and would not attempt to tell you what is or isn't considered slander in the State of TN.
I will offer the following from investopedia: Slander: Legal Definition, Example, and Difference From Libel
and, Tennessee Defamation Laws & Standards from a law firm.

If, after reviewing the above resources, you believe that there may be a cause for action, I would suggest contacting a local attorney to see what your chances of winning are or other legal options. You would likely need a few neighbors willing to testify in court to prove your case.

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Posted By BrendaP5 on 10/15/2024 8:11 PM

Another question is the aecc wanted the regulations changed on roof pitches.The only thing in the restrictions on roof pitches is listed under mobile homes and it states mobile homes must have 6/12 roof pith so really there’s no restriction on stick built roof pitch.we challenged it and when they realized we could build a stick built with 5/12 pitch they approved it but stated rules would be changed.The board voted to change all roof pitch to at least 6/12.Can they do that or does the community residents need to vote.Remember it was never a rule for stick built homes so they are actually making a rule that only board members voted on.

This becomes a tricky issue.
First, since the Association approved your stick built roof, your written approval would be a good defense if the Association attempted to enforce the rule on you.

Second, depending on how the standard is written in your CC&Rs, the board typically can not change the CC&Rs on their own (note: I said typically, there are instances where the developer can make such changes).

Third, I expect that your Association requires prior approval before any exterior changes may take place.
If this expectation is correct, the Board could adopt such a guideline and simply refuse to approve any additional requests for pitched roofs.

If someone would want to challenge this rule, they would have to take legal action against the Association.
Such legal action would likely be that the Board is exceeding their authority (legal term ultra vires) along with selective enforcement, as the Association had approved roofs with a different pitch.

Again, I am not an attorney and you would need to consult a local attorney to see what legal options there are.

Hope this helps,

TIm

BrendaP5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 44
Posted:
Tim They did have to approve his builds because they had already approved a couple.It has been proven there is no rule or regulation on stick built homes and my understanding because no rule exist (only on mobile homes) that they can’t just make up a rule and let the board vote with community?If a rule already existed the board would have power to change without community.Is this correct?Thanks
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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It's called business disparagement. You can research the laws in your state. This one may apply. You have to double check.

Tenn. Code § 45-3-1311

Current through Acts 2023-2024, ch. 1069
Section 45-3-1311 - Defamation of business reputation
It is a Class B misdemeanor for any person to knowingly make, utter, circulate, or transmit to any other person or persons, any statement untrue in fact, derogatory to the financial condition of any association subject to this chapter, or any federal association in this state, with intent to injure the financial institution, or who shall counsel, aid, procure, or induce another to originate, make, utter, transmit, or circulate the untrue statement, with like intent.

T.C.A. § 45-3-1311

Acts 1978, ch. 708, § 5.15; T.C.A., § 45-1715.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Regarding the roof pitch, wouldn't the standards be listed in the state's building code? If the board voted to change the roof pitch, the basis for its decision would have to be written either in your governing documents or in law. Then they should have written/passed a resolution memorializing the reason for its decision.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By BrendaP5 on 10/16/2024 5:27 AM
Tim They did have to approve his builds because they had already approved a couple.It has been proven there is no rule or regulation on stick built homes and my understanding because no rule exist (only on mobile homes) that they can’t just make up a rule and let the board vote with community?If a rule already existed the board would have power to change without community.Is this correct?Thanks

I've already answered that.
To answer it a different way:

Can the board amend the covenants on their own? Probably not
You will need to read your covenants to identify the process to amend.

Can the board identify a standard for architectural purposes? Yes
Expecting you need prior approval, an architectural standard can be used as a basis to approve or disapprove.

If the rule/standard is in conflict with the covenants, is the rule enforceable? Yes and No.
Can the board enforce the rule it made? yes
Will the rule withstand a legal challenge? If the rule is in conflict with the covenants, probably not.
However, it would require a legal challenge. Consult your attorney for the legal options.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By BrendaP5 on 10/16/2024 5:27 AM
Tim They did have to approve his builds because they had already approved a couple.It has been proven there is no rule or regulation on stick built homes and my understanding because no rule exist (only on mobile homes) that they can’t just make up a rule and let the board vote with community?If a rule already existed the board would have power to change without community.Is this correct?Thanks

When the HOA was chartered, there were no rules. All rules were adopted later and can still be adopted and amended today.
BrendaP5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 44
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I’m well aware they can be adopted and amended .There is a process and it’s my understanding that if a rule already exist the aecc can take it before the board to change or amend but if there is no rule or restriction they can’t make one up for the board to vote on without the community being able to vote.
BrendaP5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 44
Posted:
I’m well aware they can be adopted and amended .There is a process and it’s my understanding that if a rule already exist the aecc can take it before the board to change or amend but if there is no rule or restriction they can’t make one up for the board to vote on without the community being able to vote.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By BrendaP5 on 10/16/2024 4:57 PM
I’m well aware they can be adopted and amended .There is a process and it’s my understanding that if a rule already exist the aecc can take it before the board to change or amend but if there is no rule or restriction they can’t make one up for the board to vote on without the community being able to vote.

A committee can make all the rules they want to but unless the BOD makes them, they mean nothing.
BrendaP5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 44
Posted:
Aecc committee made the rule and board approved it but I
Told if rule doesn’t exist and a new one made the community members votes
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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A rule that conflicts with your Declaration is unenforceable...in case there is no corresponding subject language in the Declaration.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By BrendaP5 on 10/17/2024 4:32 AM
I [was]Told if rule doesn’t exist and a new one made the community members votes

Ask where that is written down and obtain a copy (aka trust but verify).

Sometimes, individuals who have served in a position for awhile won't always check the governing documents. They think they remember what a document says and the document might not say it exactly the way it's done.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Time is right. Never buy into "I was told.!"

Dean is mistaken, not only mine, but I'm sure many other, HOAs have Rules & Regs when "chartered," as Dean puts it.

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