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GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
Hi,

A neighbor condo assn won a lawsuit against a member due to failure to pay on special assessments.

I was told that there are different ways to collect the money. It was a surprise to me. One could be the renter who is living in the unit Q (the unit that lost the case) can pay their rent to the assn. Another is W-2 garnishment. What I would like to know is what method did people have experienced in this same situations. Your assn won and how did you collect?

https://cooperatornews.com/article/when-owners-fall-behind

Thanks.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
You say member and renter, which is it?

There are several ways to collect, hire a collection agency to collect for you. place a lien on the property, wage garnishments.
Pick your poison.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
hi,

The member of the assn who was sued and lost does not live in the building. They live elsewhere and they rent out their unit. The rent then goes directly to the assn as payment for the lawsuit.

LetA Has your assn won a lawsuit and how did they collect?

I know there are multiple ways to collect but I wanted practical experience of folks who went through it and how effective the method was.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
hi,

The member of the assn who was sued and lost does not live in the building. They live elsewhere and they rent out their unit. The rent then goes directly to the assn as payment for the lawsuit.

LetA Has your assn won a lawsuit and how did they collect?

I know there are multiple ways to collect but I wanted practical experience of folks who went through it and how effective the method was.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
hi,

The member of the assn who was sued and lost does not live in the building. They live elsewhere and they rent out their unit. The rent then goes directly to the assn as payment for the lawsuit.

LetA Has your assn won a lawsuit and how did they collect?

I know there are multiple ways to collect but I wanted practical experience of folks who went through it and how effective the method was.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
The court that heard the lawsuit would have approved the collection process, whatever it is. Having a tenant pay rent directly to the association until the delinquent amount is collected is a common procedure.

We foreclosed on one unit and collected everything we were owed when the unit was sold at auction. That doesn't always happen, and our situation was a prefect storm of things going right. We set the minimum auction amount high enough to clear the outstanding mortgage and to pay the delinquent assessments. Our community is in demand, and I suspect the buyer was a newbie investor who paid more than a more experienced investor would have.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
While collecting rent is an option, it rarely is going to produce a favorable outcome.

The dead beat owner no longer has income to pay mortgage, taxes, insurance or maintenance.

The HOA is best served moving to foreclosure in a timely manor.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
Good perspectives.

I did not know potentially the court system might decide on payment method.

Also good perspective that we have a "deadbeat" in the first place and they are financially strapped. Foreclosure might be down the road.

In about six months once this washes all out I will update on the outcome.

I remember some times ago it was "Knives Out" over here at Little Shop of Horrors and I got real lucky with my attorney. He advised in one case do not sue because it was not worth since it had a high chance of losing.

I think dumb people attract dumb legal advice. This other assn the "member" basically is now stuck with the original missed special assessment amount and all of their legal bills and the condo assn bills. The legal bills is at least four to five times more than the original amount of the assessment. Of course they found a lawyer to represent them but not to advise them.

thanks.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GregoryT1 on 10/08/2024 5:27 PM
Good perspectives.

I did not know potentially the court system might decide on payment method.

Also good perspective that we have a "deadbeat" in the first place and they are financially strapped. Foreclosure might be down the road.

In about six months once this washes all out I will update on the outcome.

I remember some times ago it was "Knives Out" over here at Little Shop of Horrors and I got real lucky with my attorney. He advised in one case do not sue because it was not worth since it had a high chance of losing.

I think dumb people attract dumb legal advice. This other assn the "member" basically is now stuck with the original missed special assessment amount and all of their legal bills and the condo assn bills. The legal bills is at least four to five times more than the original amount of the assessment. Of course they found a lawyer to represent them but not to advise them.

thanks.

If you HOA has mot had an attorney prepare a collection policy, you need to get this done.

The order of retirement of the amounts owed are in the following order:

1. Attorney fees
2. Fines
3. Late Fees
4. Assessments.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GregoryT1 on 10/08/2024 10:52 AM
hi,

The member of the assn who was sued and lost does not live in the building. They live elsewhere and they rent out their unit. The rent then goes directly to the assn as payment for the lawsuit.

LetA Has your assn won a lawsuit and how did they collect?

I know there are multiple ways to collect but I wanted practical experience of folks who went through it and how effective the method was.

Before I was on the board and before Nevada law changed regarding HOA foreclosures for non payment of assessments, our HOA was sued by, more than
one bank and less than five different banks and each bank lost their case against the HOA.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GregoryT1 on 10/08/2024 5:27 PM
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I did not know potentially the court system might decide on payment method. ... snip ...

I think it's going to depend on what your CC&Rs (and probably state law) allow. I'm in condos, and associations seem to have varying levels of authority over rentals. These levels go from "hands off" all the way up to veto power over individual tenants. We're in the middle: hands off but with the right to evict a problem tenant (and the bar for defining "problem tenant" is pretty low). If the CC&Rs don't address the issue, I can see a court deciding on allowing the association to collect rents.

The thing about delinquent accounts is that it requires a certain amount of judgement on how to proceed. Depending on the delinquent owner's circumstances, the desirability of the community, the housing market, and the general economy, filing a lawsuit can be throwing good money after bad if there is little chance of the owner paying. In some cases it may make more sense to keep a lien on the property and hope that the owner sells.

So it's a guessing game. It's a good idea to have a collection policy and a process that the board will follow when dealing with owners who aren't paying. But this doesn't mean that the owner will behave in expected ways.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
We have three ongoing legal issues.

1. Owner has not paid monthly assessments for over three years. We had a lien on the property and were about to file for foreclosure, but the mortgage company beat us to it. They were on their own timeline (slow), they finally got a judgment after 2 years, then gave the owner 90 days to sell her house. At 3pm the day before the foreclosure sale she filed for bankruptcy. Don't know if the bankruptcy will actually go through, but we are at standstill until some decision is made. Meanwhile, between the past assessments, fines for not keeping up her property, attorney fees and all the late fees, she owes us over $30,000 which we may not ever collect - or if we do it will be over the length of the bankruptcy. She has no ability to pay it back so the home will probably eventually go to foreclosure again.

2. Owner stopped making payments. We put a lien on the house. They insisted they wanted a payment plan, but they would never sign the paperwork. They owed us over $5000 and would make a partial payment and tell us they would pay the rest. We had the paperwork ready for foreclosure, then discovered they had filed for bankruptcy. Attorney advised against filing the foreclosure. We put in a claim with the bankruptcy and the owners flipped out. For some reason, they did not want that debt on their bankruptcy. Lied to our attorney yet again and said they were going to pay the debt - and never made a payment. We will now be part of the bankruptcy. I doubt we will ever see that money.

3. Electrician damaged our gate when he tried to sneak in. We caught him on video. Sheriff's deputy who patrols our area brought him to the office where he admitted it and said he would pay. We sent the invoice three times and had our attorney right a letter to him. No payment. Not worth attorney's fees to have attorney sue him, so we filed a small claims case. It's about $750. However, we can't get the summons served to him. Sheriff's office tried four times. Private process server tried four times. Now trying to get court to allow certified mail delivery. We will most likely never see that money either.

My point is, if you can collect the rent then take the money. You can try other avenues, but they don't seem to be very successful for us. These people know every trick in the book. The bad guy seems to win when it comes to these matters.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 10/09/2024 4:46 AM
Posted By GregoryT1 on 10/08/2024 5:27 PM
... snip ...
I did not know potentially the court system might decide on payment method. ... snip ...


I think it's going to depend on what your CC&Rs (and probably state law) allow. I'm in condos, and associations seem to have varying levels of authority over rentals. These levels go from "hands off" all the way up to veto power over individual tenants. We're in the middle: hands off but with the right to evict a problem tenant (and the bar for defining "problem tenant" is pretty low). If the CC&Rs don't address the issue, I can see a court deciding on allowing the association to collect rents.

The thing about delinquent accounts is that it requires a certain amount of judgement on how to proceed. Depending on the delinquent owner's circumstances, the desirability of the community, the housing market, and the general economy, filing a lawsuit can be throwing good money after bad if there is little chance of the owner paying. In some cases it may make more sense to keep a lien on the property and hope that the owner sells.

So it's a guessing game. It's a good idea to have a collection policy and a process that the board will follow when dealing with owners who aren't paying. But this doesn't mean that the owner will behave in expected ways.

Without a doubt there is going to be circumstances where an HOA is not going to recover their attorney expenses or the assessments owed in a foreclosure. There are also situations where the entire process is going to be strung over multiple years due to owner delay actions and bankruptcy.

What an HOA can’t do is base its decisions on the owners individual circumstances, the housing market or general economy. This is how HOA’s go from a delinquent owner to a list of delinquent owners and a mountain of legal fees to clean it up.

A board also has to understand the logic of a no pay or slow pay. Not paying, late fees and a continued roof over their head is not a motivation to move the HOA toward the top of their bill paying matrix.

Dear Homeowner, you owe the HOA $750. This is a warning if you don’t pay up, the HOA is not messing around with you and you have to pay all the attorney fees associated with this collection. You are being charged an additional $150 for us to send you this warning.

In 30 days this law firm will place a lien on your property and you will be charged and additional $200 for filing the lien. If you do not pay in an additional 30 days, this law firm is authorized to proceed to foreclosure of your property. This means the HOA will sell your home to get the money you owe.

These are all manageable values for the HOA and the owner. If an HOA board sticks their head in the sand, these values are not manageable for the home owner and all the HOA incurs is larger losses.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GregoryT1 on 10/08/2024 10:27 AM
Hi,

A neighbor condo assn won a lawsuit against a member due to failure to pay on special assessments.

I was told that there are different ways to collect the money. It was a surprise to me. One could be the renter who is living in the unit Q (the unit that lost the case) can pay their rent to the assn. Another is W-2 garnishment. What I would like to know is what method did people have experienced in this same situations. Your assn won and how did you collect?

https://cooperatornews.com/article/when-owners-fall-behind

Thanks.

What is the amount of the judgment?
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DeanJ on 10/09/2024 7:28 AM
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
My response to Dean disappeared...getting an attorney involved over $750. late assessment is irresponsible. Board should meet with member and establish a payment plan. If that fails, get a judgment in small claims court and pursue all its collection avenues. Why enrich attorneys and collection agencies which is of no benefit to the association, while making it harder for member to pay delinquent assessments? Dean's suggested language is draconian and counter productive. Aka shooting oneself in the foot!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I agree trying to see what the issue is and if a payment plan will work is the first step.
Keep in mind that if members can pay assessments monthly, a payment plan exists that the individual can't meet already.
This discussion could be done civilly or conversationally depending on the approach used by the Board and the response of the member.
This only works if the member will talk to the Board.

In my last association, there was one member who would never pay until our attorney filed legal action and the case started.
Then, and only then, would the member engage the attorney or the board to pay.
The member ended up paying more than if they simply paid on time.
The Association, over a five year span, lost money (as not all legal charges can be assessed to the member).

I lobbied the board several times to start foreclosure, in order to stop the bleeding.
The board, looking at the data would agree until they found out the name of the member and then the majority of the board didn't want to foreclose on a neighbor.

Yes, small claims court is certainly one option.
However, that also requires additional time from a volunteer board that may need to take that time from a leave balance from their employer.
Additionally, if thinking about foreclosing, some States require very specific steps and missing one of them starts the whole thing over.

As an FYI, here is a link to a 50-State Chart of Small Claims Court Dollar Limits from NOLO
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Payment plans can work if an owner is motivated and has the means to pay.

Payment plans won't work if the owner doesn't have the money, or is trying to "teach the board a lesson", or is just playing games. But even in these cases it's worth offering the option. The plan can provide evidence that the HOA has been willing to work with the owner and hasn't just jumped to foreclosure. (Some judges think HOAs are nasty bullies and will look for reasons to rule against the HOA.)
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
If I am living in your community and not paying, at what point is enough an enough. Is it when I owe $1,000 or $10,000? Keep in mind $10,000 including late fees occurs in less than 24 months in most COAs. If the Board waits until the balance is $10,000, you will never collect and you are out both the lost revenue and the attorney fees.

The better strategy is to have the attorney send a late notice, with a $125 fee, when the owners has less than a $1,000 balance. That warning states the property will have a lien placed on it and another attorney fee of $175 if not paid in full in 30 days. If the full amount is not paid within 30 days of filling the lien, the COA will file for foreclosure.

None of this precludes the owner from setting up a payment plan with the COA attorney representing the COA.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
I favor payments to the association instead of to attorneys.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DeanJ on 10/09/2024 1:45 PM
If I am living in your community and not paying, at what point is enough an enough. Is it when I owe $1,000 or $10,000? Keep in mind $10,000 including late fees occurs in less than 24 months in most COAs. If the Board waits until the balance is $10,000, you will never collect and you are out both the lost revenue and the attorney fees.

The better strategy is to have the attorney send a late notice, with a $125 fee, when the owners has less than a $1,000 balance. That warning states the property will have a lien placed on it and another attorney fee of $175 if not paid in full in 30 days. If the full amount is not paid within 30 days of filling the lien, the COA will file for foreclosure.

None of this precludes the owner from setting up a payment plan with the COA attorney representing the COA.


I agree. Simple and straight forward.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
These posts made me curious about my HOA. I looked and our most delinquent owner is $5K. With dues of $960 per year, he is about 5 years past due. Last communication to him was a year ago. I will be calling our MC tomorrow for an update. Off the top of my head, I say go to foreclosure. Next closest is 2 years over due.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TerriS6 on 10/09/2024 7:08 PM
I favor payments to the association instead of to attorneys.

Are you sending someone over to threaten bodily injury?
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 10/09/2024 10:17 PM
These posts made me curious about my HOA. I looked and our most delinquent owner is $5K. With dues of $960 per year, he is about 5 years past due. Last communication to him was a year ago. I will be calling our MC tomorrow for an update. Off the top of my head, I say go to foreclosure. Next closest is 2 years over due.

That’s how it happens. The board ignores the issue and the delinquencies build.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
Thanks everyone,

Terri I think the amount is in the mid five digits. XX,XXX. It will exceed the two type of limits for our small claims. We have a two tier system small claims system here and the amount exceeds both. In your case of successfully suing the condo assn have you seen it the other way where the condo assn successfully sued a member in small claims? I agree usually there are folks who are financially strapped and getting in small claims if the amount is small may not work on trying to collect.

Lori qq for you for your case number 2 in retrospect did you think the lawyer advice was bad or good on not going with foreclosure?

What I am hearing is fine, lien, foreclose. Do that process and at the same time potentially work for a payment plan. Stick to dates and don't let things build up.

I have included some links for posterity. The might be dated and geo centric to the NYC and NJ.

Thanks.

Bankruptcy
https://www.debt.org/bankruptcy/file-for-bankruptcy-and-keep-house/#:~:text=Equity%20in%20Your%20Home&text=Equity%20amount%20is%20key%20to,be%20sold%20to%20pay%20creditors.

Bankruptcy and HOA foreclosure
https://www.midhudsonbankruptcylawyers.com/aop/bankruptcy-hoa-foreclosure/

Foreclosing on an member's property
https://www.valentgroup.com/foreclosing-on-a-condo-hoa-members-property/

The Ugly F word
https://cooperatornews.com/article/that-ugly-f-word

Complicated Legal Journal Article: The summary move fast and don't wait.
https://www.bhpp.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Effect-of-Foreclosure-Delay-on-Condominium-Liens.NYLJ-November-12-2012-at-5-col.-2.pdf
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Quote:
Posted By GregoryT1 on 10/08/2024 10:52 AM
hi,

The member of the assn who was sued and lost does not live in the building. They live elsewhere and they rent out their unit. The rent then goes directly to the assn as payment for the lawsuit.

LetA Has your assn won a lawsuit and how did they collect?

I know there are multiple ways to collect but I wanted practical experience of folks who went through it and how effective the method was.

Are you not happy collecting the rent? How long will it take collecting the rent to equal the special assessment plus expenses?
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Gregory, unfortunate that the amount is so high. If you look at court indices, you may see as here that HOA collection agencies regularly use small claims courts to get judgments against members. Also, if the amount due is very close to the small claims limit, you can forfeit the excess and still file. But places like CA which have a much lower limit for corporations doesn't help when the amount is permitted to get so high.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
hi Terri great info and thanks for getting back.

Hi John actually I really don't know the real dynamics of the other assn. I actually know both parties involved. The "rent" we really don't know if is it an income stream or really holding up a financial sinking ship for the delinquent owner.

This is to Dean's point the assn should not know at times the "story" for the deadbeats.

I also apologize to everyone for confusing everyone.

This is another assn and potentially for that situation the rent collection or garnishing of wages might be options. I just don't know enough if it is viable options.

The fine, lien and foreclose is really a perspective for my own assn. We are incredibly tiny without any wiggle room for financial issues with members. One misstep will be disastrous for the other unit owners.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DeanJ on 10/09/2024 11:11 PM
Posted By TerriS6 on 10/09/2024 7:08 PM
I favor payments to the association instead of to attorneys.


Are you sending someone over to threaten bodily injury?

Using attorneys to collect can cause bodily injury; i.e., mental anguish and despondency created by the burden of unnecessary fees upon fees upon fees which you advocate.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
This discussion should become another thread.

I will not be opening up that thread. The thread is how to collect in general in an effective people fashion late payments, fines and assessments etc.

There is a difference in opinion in how to do that. I think real life examples of how assn's have done that effectively or examples of it done poorly would be appropriate instead of the normal squabbling that occurs on this site based on philosophical differences.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
You asked about methods.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
hey Terri,

What I was asking about is the following.

"What I would like to know is what method did people have experienced in this same situations. Your assn won and how did you collect?"

In reality rubber meets the road example of what the condo assn the poster is living in currently or in the past went through. It seems the thread was going a bit off kilter on differences of opinions on what methods. When in fact what I was asking is actual examples in condo assn and did it work or not.

If anyone has further questions on the initial thread please ask away.

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
There is no doubt the threat of having your home foreclosed and sold would cause anguish. So would increasing the fees on the paying owners to cover the lost revenues. The question is do you cause anguish to those following the rules or those breaking the rules.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Quote:
Posted By GregoryT1 on 10/10/2024 12:56 PM
hey Terri,

What I was asking about is the following.

"What I would like to know is what method did people have experienced in this same situations. Your assn won and how did you collect?"

In reality rubber meets the road example of what the condo assn the poster is living in currently or in the past went through. It seems the thread was going a bit off kilter on differences of opinions on what methods. When in fact what I was asking is actual examples in condo assn and did it work or not.

If anyone has further questions on the initial thread please ask away.


As you can see, there isn't a single answer- sucess in this area depends on how much is owed, the type of options available to the board and the individual circumstances and cooperation level of the owner. I get Dean's point about not making a collection decision based solely on that, but you have 5o be mindful of it. You can't squeeze blood from a rock.

In my 5 year experience as board treasurer, we took several approaches - here are a few:

1. Lawsuit first, then lien and finally foreclosure. Foreclosure was always the nuclear option, because we usually didn't get anything, it's expensive and time consuming. By then the goal was to get the owners out - why should they enjoy the services provided by the association and not pay their fair share? Lawn care, street repaving, etc., isn't free. If we're not going to get any money, the house may as well be empty until a responsible person moves in.

2. Payment plans were always approved by the board and our decision was final. The homeowner had to provide written verification of financial hardship (to the association attorney, not the board to ensure privacy. The attorney usually made a recommendation on how much to accept and sometimes we'd make a counter offer.

3. The plan didn't exceed one year unless the board approved and that decision was based on the homeowner's compliance. I didn't care if other creditors got paid as long as we got ours first (what happened between them and the owner was their business).

4. The faster the debt was paid down, the more likely we'd waive late fees. We also accelerated assessments - if the account isn't made current within 60 days, 5ge remaining assessments for tge year would immediately become due and payable. That helped justify attorney's fees and legal costs, otherwise I agree with Terri that getting an attorney over a debt of $750 or less 8s probably a waste of money.

5. There was a consumer credit counseling service in our area - I don't know if they still exist, but sometimes we'd tell homeowners they had to go through that service. It was a non-profit organization that helped negotiate payment plans with various creditors and I think local banks underwrote the program. It put people on a very strict budget to ensure all accounts were paid off in three years and there was also mandatory education on money management. If peopke cane up with excuses as to why they couldn't pay us, we'd say OK, if you want to pay less on our plan, you need to go to these guys and they can negotiate with us.

6. To ensure we got our money, we required automatic deduction from a bank account or credit card. If those payments are returned, that's a form of wire fraud, meaning we could file a criminal complaint. That warning was listed in the payment plan, so the owner had an incentive to ensure the payment cleared.

Some of this may sound gangster, but it evolved from lots and lots of back and forth with homeowners who simply refused to pay (the association was still wrestling with one long time deadbeat when I stepped down.) As Michael Corleone said in the Godfather "it's not personal- it's strictly business." I have no issue working with people who are in a bad way and are trying - it took us nearly 4 years before one homeowner became current, but she did and stayed that way until she sold her home.

So, what have we learned?

Find out what your options are, the pros and cons of each and decide what needs to happen before you take that step. That includes an estimated cost for court appearances, document preparation and filing, communication (faxes, emails, phone calls) between the attorney, designated board member and property manager, etc. That will help tbe board decide what will be done and when.

Develop a straightforward collection policy and educate homeowners on it early and often - we send a copy every year with the upcoming year's budget. Evaluate that policy every year to determine what worked or not and tweak as necessary.

Policy evaluation should include evaluating the collection attorney, whether you have a separate one or your regular association attorney. How much you spend compared to the amount actually collected? How well did the attorney keep you updated on what was going on with each account? Did the attorney explain in plain English why one option was better than another? Did he or she keep up with deadlines, such as when the association had to file its notice of claim with the bankruptcy court?


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:


As you can see, there isn't a single answer- sucess in this area depends on how much is owed, the type of options available to the board and the individual circumstances and cooperation level of the owner. I get Dean's point about not making a collection decision based solely on that, but you have 5o be mindful of it. You can't squeeze blood from a rock.

In my 5 year experience as board treasurer, we took several approaches - here are a few:

1. Lawsuit first, then lien and finally foreclosure. Foreclosure was always the nuclear option, because we usually didn't get anything, it's expensive and time consuming. By then the goal was to get the owners out - why should they enjoy the services provided by the association and not pay their fair share? Lawn care, street repaving, etc., isn't free. If we're not going to get any money, the house may as well be empty until a responsible person moves in.

2. Payment plans were always approved by the board and our decision was final. The homeowner had to provide written verification of financial hardship (to the association attorney, not the board to ensure privacy. The attorney usually made a recommendation on how much to accept and sometimes we'd make a counter offer.

3. The plan didn't exceed one year unless the board approved and that decision was based on the homeowner's compliance. I didn't care if other creditors got paid as long as we got ours first (what happened between them and the owner was their business).

4. The faster the debt was paid down, the more likely we'd waive late fees. We also accelerated assessments - if the account isn't made current within 60 days, 5ge remaining assessments for tge year would immediately become due and payable. That helped justify attorney's fees and legal costs, otherwise I agree with Terri that getting an attorney over a debt of $750 or less 8s probably a waste of money.

5. There was a consumer credit counseling service in our area - I don't know if they still exist, but sometimes we'd tell homeowners they had to go through that service. It was a non-profit organization that helped negotiate payment plans with various creditors and I think local banks underwrote the program. It put people on a very strict budget to ensure all accounts were paid off in three years and there was also mandatory education on money management. If peopke cane up with excuses as to why they couldn't pay us, we'd say OK, if you want to pay less on our plan, you need to go to these guys and they can negotiate with us.

6. To ensure we got our money, we required automatic deduction from a bank account or credit card. If those payments are returned, that's a form of wire fraud, meaning we could file a criminal complaint. That warning was listed in the payment plan, so the owner had an incentive to ensure the payment cleared.

Some of this may sound gangster, but it evolved from lots and lots of back and forth with homeowners who simply refused to pay (the association was still wrestling with one long time deadbeat when I stepped down.) As Michael Corleone said in the Godfather "it's not personal- it's strictly business." I have no issue working with people who are in a bad way and are trying - it took us nearly 4 years before one homeowner became current, but she did and stayed that way until she sold her home.

So, what have we learned?

Find out what your options are, the pros and cons of each and decide what needs to happen before you take that step. That includes an estimated cost for court appearances, document preparation and filing, communication (faxes, emails, phone calls) between the attorney, designated board member and property manager, etc. That will help tbe board decide what will be done and when.

Develop a straightforward collection policy and educate homeowners on it early and often - we send a copy every year with the upcoming year's budget. Evaluate that policy every year to determine what worked or not and tweak as necessary.

Policy evaluation should include evaluating the collection attorney, whether you have a separate one or your regular association attorney. How much you spend compared to the amount actually collected? How well did the attorney keep you updated on what was going on with each account? Did the attorney explain in plain English why one option was better than another? Did he or she keep up with deadlines, such as when the association had to file its notice of claim with the bankruptcy court?


Your board should not be making any offers to past due owners. Doing so may compromise a later case in court, especially if you have made different offers to different owners.

DeanJ
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FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND

The foreclosure action in question arose out of a dispute between Waterford Pointe Condominium Association (“Waterford Pointe”), located in Twinsburg, Ohio, and one of its members and unit owners, Reserve Domiciles, Ltd. (“Reserve”). Reserve, a corporation, is the Trustee for Phoenix Diversified and Shimoda (“Phoenix Diversified”), which is a Delaware Trust. Reserve, in its capacity as Trustee, purchased one of the units in Waterford Pointe in 1998, becoming subject to the terms and conditions of Waterford Pointe's declaration and bylaws. Pursuant to those bylaws, members are required to pay monthly assessments determined by Waterford Pointe's board of directors.

In 2005, the board of directors amended the bylaws in accordance with Section 5311.18(A)(2) of the Ohio Revised Code, stating that Waterford Pointe would credit payments made by unit owners in the following order: 2

(a) First, to interest owed to Waterford Pointe;
(b) Second, to administrative late fees owed to Waterford Pointe;
(c) Third, to collection costs and legal fees incurred by Waterford Pointe; and
(d) Fourth, to principal amounts the unit owner owes to Waterford Pointe for common expenses or penalty assessments chargeable against the unit.
In 2007, Waterford Pointe approved a revised collection policy stating that monthly assessments are due on the first day of each month and are deemed late if not postmarked by the fifteenth day of each month. Members who fail to pay their monthly assessments on time are assessed an administrative late fee of $25.00 per month.

Upon receiving its monthly invoice for maintenance fees, Reserve consistently tendered a check containing the following language: “Tendered for maintenance fee (MONTH, YEAR), only, not for any other purpose, 3011 Waterford.” From January 2009 through June 2012, Reserve was late in paying its monthly assessment on a limited number of occasions. During that period, Waterford Pointe accepted and cashed Reserve's checks containing the aforementioned language without objection.

In 2012, the monthly assessment for members was $302.79. Reserve failed to make a timely payment for its monthly assessment in April of 2012, and its account became delinquent at that time. Reserve made a payment in May 2012 that appears to have been sufficient to cover the amount of the monthly assessments for April and May but did not cover the $25.00 late fee assessed in April. In accordance with the order of priority set forth in the bylaws, Waterford Pointe applied the partial payment 3 first against the $ 25.00 administrative late fee, then to the outstanding April assessment and, finally to the principal due for the May 2012 assessment. This resulted in an unpaid principal balance due for the May assessment in the amount of $25.00.

Waterford Pointe levied a June assessment on the account in the amount of $327.79, which was the monthly maintenance fee of $302.79 and the unpaid principal from May of $ 25.00. Reserve tendered a check in June for $302.79, ignoring the $25.00 owed for May. That check included the language, “Tendered for June 2012 maintenance fee only, not for late fees or any other purpose, for 3011 Waterford.” Waterford Pointe received the check but returned it to Reserve with a letter that indicated it could not accept payments that include qualifying endorsements or restrictions. Waterford Pointe instructed Reserve to tender the full payment without the qualifying language. Reserve did not do so.

In July 2012, Reserve's balance increased to $655.58, encompassing the carryover balance from May 2012, June's monthly assessment, June's administrative late fee, as well as the monthly assessment for July 2012. Reserve tendered a check specifically for the July monthly assessment that contained restrictive language specifying that the check was for the maintenance fee only. Waterford Pointe's property manager returned the check with a letter that explained the order of priority for allocating payments and included copies of Waterford Pointe's collections policy. Waterford instructed Reserve to tender a new check without the qualifying language. Reserve did not do so. 4

In August 2012, Reserve again tendered a check in the amount of $302.79 that included the restrictive language. Waterford Pointe again returned the check and advised Reserve that it would continue to return checks that included restrictive language. Further, Waterford Pointe informed Reserve that it needed to bring the amount current-by then, Reserve's delinquency was $1009.37. Waterford Pointe's attorney began to send Reserve collection letters.

This pattern repeated over the ensuing months, and Reserve's delinquency continued to increase. Waterford Pointe's attorney repeatedly sent letters encouraging Reserve to bring the amount current. Reserve continued to tender checks with restrictive language for only the amount of the monthly assessment and Waterford Pointe continued to return them. Several times during 2013 and 2014, Waterford Pointe offered to waive late fees and legal costs if Reserve tendered a check without restrictive language to cover all of the delinquent assessments. They warned, however, that they would file a lien against the property if Reserve did not bring its account current. Reserve refused the offer to settle, and Waterford Pointe recorded a lien on Reserve's property in September 2014.

Waterford Pointe filed a foreclosure complaint against Reserve in the Summit County Court of Common Pleas on January 30, 2015. Reserve responded with an answer generally denying the allegations in the complaint and asserted counterclaims for breach of contract, slander of title, fraud, and violation of the contract clauses in the federal and Ohio Constitutions. Waterford Pointe filed a motion for summary judgment that was ultimately denied. The trial court issued an 5 order bifurcating the issues before the court and conducted a bench trial on the issue of the validity and/or discharge of the lien. Further, the trial court noted that once the status of the lien had been determined, it would address any remaining causes of action. Ultimately, the parties entered into joint stipulations of facts and submitted joint exhibits. On March 10, 2017, a magistrate issued a decision with findings of fact and conclusions of law granting judgment in favor of Waterford Pointe. Reserve filed objections to the magistrate's decision. On July 27, 2017, the State trial court overruled Reserve's objections and adopted the magistrate's decision. The trial court issued a final decree of foreclosure on August 15, 2017.

Reserve appealed that decision to the Ohio Court of Appeals. That court upheld the decision of the trial court, determining specifically that Reserve was bound by the terms and conditions of the condominium association's bylaws and Waterford Pointe was not obligated to accept and cash Reserve's checks tendered after April 2012 that contained restrictive language in contravention of the order of priority set forth in the bylaws.

The property was sold at sheriff's sale, and the State trial court confirmed the sale on July 21, 2021. The purchaser of the property was the Weelzaway Trust (“Weelzaway”), which coincidentally also has William A. Campana as the Trustee. Weelzaway put down a $ 10, 000.00 deposit at the sheriff's sale, but failed to pay the balance of the purchase price. The action is still pending in the State trial court.

The Campanas have now filed this action asking the Court to intervene in the State court action and to enjoin it from continuing to conduct its proceedings. In 6 addition, they claim the foreclosure violated their constitutional rights, although they do not elaborate on which rights they believe were violated, and ask the Court to overturn the judgment under the authority of the Supremacy Clause. Finally, they ask this Court to issue judgment in their favor.

GOVERNING LEGAL STANDARD

Although pro se pleadings are liberally construed, Boag v. MacDougall, 454 U.S. 364, 365 (1982) (per curiam); Haines v. Kerner, 404 U.S. 519, 520 (1972), the Court is required to dismiss an in forma pauperis action under 28 U.S.C. § 1915(e) if it fails to state a claim upon which relief can be granted or if it lacks an arguable basis in law or fact. Neitzke v. Williams, 490 U.S. 319, 324 (1989); Lawler v. Marshall, 898 F.2d 1196, 1198 (6th Cir. 1990); Sistrunk v. City of Strongsville, 99 F.3d 194, 197 (6th Cir. 1996). A claim lacks an arguable basis in law or fact when it is premised on an indisputably meritless legal theory or when the factual contentions are clearly baseless. Neitzke, 490 U.S. at 327.

A cause of action fails to state a claim upon which relief may be granted when it lacks “plausibility in the Complaint.” Bell Atl. Corp. v. Twombly, 550 U.S. 544, 564 (2007). A pleading must contain a “short and plain statement of the claim showing that the pleader is entitled to relief.” Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 556 U.S. 662, 677-78 (2009). The factual allegations in the pleading must be sufficient to raise the right to relief above the speculative level on the assumption that all the allegations in the complaint are true. Twombly, 550 U.S. at 555. The plaintiff is not required to include detailed factual allegations, but must provide more than “an unadorned, the-Defendant- 7 unlawfully-harmed-me accusation.” Iqbal, 556 U.S. at 678. A pleading that offers legal conclusions or a simple recitation of the elements of a cause of action will not meet this pleading standard. Id. In reviewing a complaint, the Court must construe the pleading in the light most favorable to the plaintiff. Bibbo v. Dean Witter Reynolds, Inc., 151 F.3d 559, 561 (6th Cir. 1998).

ANALYSIS

The Campanas ask the Court to grant them a temporary restraining order that would enjoin the State court from proceeding to resolve issues that arose with the sheriff's sale of the property. The Court cannot grant that relief. A federal court cannot interfere with pending State court proceedings involving important State interests unless extraordinary circumstances are present. See Younger v. Harris, 401 U.S. 37, 44-45 (1971). When a person is the target of an ongoing State action involving important State matters, he or she cannot interfere with the pending State action by maintaining a parallel federal suit involving claims that could have been raised in the State case. Watts v. Burkhart, 854 F.2d 839, 844-48 (6th Cir.1988).

If the State defendant files such a case, Younger abstention requires the federal court to defer to the State proceeding. Id; see also Pennzoil Co. v. Texaco, Inc., 481 U.S. 1, 15 (1987). Based on these principles, abstention is appropriate if: (1) State proceedings are on-going; (2) the State proceedings implicate important State interests; and (3) the State proceedings afford an adequate opportunity to raise federal questions. Middlesex County Ethics Comm. v. Garden State Bar Ass'n, 457 U.S. 423, 432 (1982). Abstention is mandated whether the State court proceeding is 8 criminal, quasi-criminal, or civil in nature as long as federal court intervention “unduly interferes with the legitimate activities of the state.” Younger, 401 U.S. at 44.

All three factors supporting abstention are present here. The foreclosure action is still pending, and the Court acknowledges that State foreclosure actions are matters are of paramount State interest. See Doscher v. Menifee Cir. Ct., 75 Fed.Appx. 996, 997 (6th Cir. 2003) (affirming dismissal based on principles of Younger abstention where the plaintiff challenged a State-court foreclosure action). The third requirement of Younger is that the Campanas must have an opportunity to assert their federal challenges in the State court proceeding. The pertinent inquiry is whether the State proceedings afford an adequate opportunity to raise the federal claims. Moore v. Sims, 442 U.S. 415, 430 (1979). At this point, the Campanas bear the burden to demonstrate that State procedural law bars presentation of their federal claims. Pennzoil Co., 481 U.S. at 14. Where a plaintiff has not attempted to present his federal claims in the State court proceedings, the federal court should assume that State procedures will afford an adequate remedy, in the absence of “unambiguous authority to the contrary.” Pennzoil, 481 U.S. at 15.

Here, a trust holds the property. The Campanas are officers of the trust. Although they cannot proceed pro se with the presentation of these issues, they can retain counsel to present them in State court. The Campanas have not shown that they were barred from presenting these issues in the State action. The requirements of Younger are satisfied, and the Court must abstain from interfering in the pending 9 State action. Therefore, the Court DENIES the motion for a temporary restraining order (ECF No. 3).

Moreover, it is not clear that the Campanas have standing to bring the claims in this action. They seek to vacate the judgment in the State court foreclosure action based on alleged errors of law and fact the magistrate and judge made. Also, they also that the counterclaims offered in the State court had merit, in that payments were made on the monthly maintenance fees and refused. The Campanas, however, neither owned the property nor were parties to the State court action. The property was owned by Reserve (a corporate entity) as Trustee for Phoenix Diversified and Shimoda (a Delaware Trust). Reserve was the defendant in the action. The Campanas lack standing as individuals to raise claims pertaining to the property or to the State court action.

A party must assert his own legal rights and interests and cannot rest his claim to relief on the legal rights or interests of third parties. Warth v. Seldin, 422 U.S. 490, 499 (1975); Allstate Ins. Co. v. Wayne County, 760 F.2d 689, 693 (6th Cir. 1985). The fact that the Campanas may be collaterally affected by the adjudication of another's rights does not necessarily extend the Court's Article III powers to them. Allstate Ins., 760 F.2d at 692.

The Campanas cannot file this action on behalf of Reserve as pro se litigants. A corporation may appear in the federal courts only through licensed counsel. Rowland v. California Men's Colony Unit II Men's Advisory, 506 U.S. 194, 201 (1993). 10

The Campanas are not licensed attorneys. They cannot represent Reserve in this Court or file pleadings on their behalf.

Further, the Court lacks subject matter jurisdiction to overturn a State-court judgment. Federal courts do not have jurisdiction to overturn State court decisions, even if the request to reverse the State court judgment is based on an allegation that the State court's action was unconstitutional. Exxon Mobil Corp. v. Saudi Basic Indus. Corp., 544 U.S. 280, 292 (2005). Federal appellate review of State court judgments can only occur in the United States Supreme Court, by appeal or by writ of certiorari. Id. Under this principle, generally referred to as the Rooker-Feldman Doctrine, a party losing his case in State court is barred from seeking what in substance would be appellate review of the State judgment in a federal district court based on the party's claim that the State judgment itself violates his federal rights. Berry v. Schmitt, 688 F.3d 290, 298-99 (6th Cir. 2012).

The Rooker-Feldman doctrine derives from two Supreme Court decisions interpreting 28 U.S.C. § 1257(a). See District of Columbia Ct. of App. v. Feldman, 460 U.S. 462 (1983); Rooker v. Fidelity Trust Co., 263 U.S. 413 (1923). That statute provides:

Final judgments or decrees rendered by the highest court of a State in which a decision could be had, may be reviewed by the Supreme Court by writ of certiorari where the validity of a treaty or statute of the United States is drawn in question or where the validity of a statute of any State is drawn in question on the ground of its being repugnant to the Constitution, treaties, or laws of the United States, or where any title, right, privilege, or immunity is specially set up or claimed under the Constitution or the treaties or statutes of, or any commission held or authority exercised under, the United States.
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This statute was enacted to prevent “end-runs around state court judgments” by requiring litigants seeking review of that judgment to file a writ of certiorari with the Supreme Court. The Rooker-Feldman doctrine is based on the negative inference that, if appellate court review of State judgments is vested in the Supreme Court, then such review may not occur in the lower federal courts. Exxon Mobil, 544 U.S. at 283-84; Kovacic v. Cuyahoga Cnty. Dep't of Child. & Fam. Servs., 606 F.3d 301, 308-11 (6th Cir. 2010); Lawrence v. Welch, 531 F.3d 364, 369 (6th Cir. 2008).

Rooker-Feldman is a doctrine with narrow application. It does not bar federal jurisdiction “simply because a party attempts to litigate in federal court a matter previously litigated in state court.” Exxon Mobil Corp., 544 U.S. at 293; Berry, 688 F.3d 298-99. It also does not address potential conflicts between federal and State court orders, which fall within the parameters of the doctrines of comity, abstention, and preclusion. Berry, 688 F.3d at 299. Instead, the Rooker-Feldman doctrine applies only where a party losing his case in State court initiates an action in federal district court complaining of injury caused by a State court judgment itself and seeks review and rejection of that judgment. Berry, 688 F.3d at 298-99; In re Cook, 551 F.3d 542, 548 (6th Cir. 2009). To determine whether Rooker-Feldman bars a claim, the Court must look to the “source of the injury the plaintiff alleges in the federal complaint.” McCormick v. Braverman, 451 F.3d 382, 393 (6th Cir. 2006); see Berry, 688 F.3d at 299; Kovacic, 606 F.3d at 310. If the source of the plaintiff's injury is the State-court judgment itself, then the Rooker-Feldman doctrine bars the federal claim. McCormick, 451 F.3d at 393. “If there is some other source of injury, such as a third 12 party's actions, then the plaintiff asserts an independent claim.” Id.; see Lawrence, 531 F.3d at 368-69. In conducting this inquiry, the court should also consider the plaintiff's requested relief. Evans v. Cordray, No. 09-3998, 2011 WL 2149547, at *1 (6th Cir. May 27, 2011).

In this case, the Campanas specifically ask the Court to “examine the judgment of ‘judicial error'” (ECF No. 1, PageID #60) and “vacate the erroneous judgment” (Id., PageID #59). The Court lacks subject matter jurisdiction to conduct such a review or grant that type of relief.

Finally, to the extent the Campanas seek to relitigate matters already decided in the State court, they are barred by the doctrine of res judicata from proceeding. The term “res judicata” literally means “a matter [already] judged.” The doctrine of res judicata bars duplicative litigation based on the same event or events. Montana v. United States, 440 U.S. 147, 153 (1979); Parklane Hosiery Co., Inc. v. Shore, 439 U.S. 322, 326 (1979). When one court has already resolved the merits of a case, another court will not revisit them. Id. Therefore, the doctrine of res judicata precludes a party from bringing a subsequent lawsuit on the same claim or from raising a new defense to defeat the prior judgment. Gargallo v. Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith, Inc., 918 F.2d 658, 660 (6th Cir. 1990). It bars relitigation of every issue actually brought before the first court and every issue or defense that should have been raised in the previous action. Id. Res judicata also bars Plaintiffs from relitigating in federal court claims and issues a State court previously decided. Bragg v. Flint Bd. of Educ., 570 F.3d 775, 776 (6th Cir. 2009). 13

Here, the State court determined the validity of the lien placed on the condominium in question. The State trial court considered Plaintiffs' argument that Waterford Pointe was required to accept their checks even with restrictive language and rejected it. The court concluded that Reserve's account was delinquent and granted judgment in favor of Waterford Pointe. The Campanas cannot now come to federal court and relitigate that issue in the hope of obtaining a different result. The Court must give full faith and credit to that State court judgment. Res judicata bars relitigation of those issues.

CONCLUSION

For all the foregoing reasons, the Court GRANTS Plaintiffs' motion to proceed in forma pauperis (ECF No. 2), DENIES Plaintiffs' motion for temporary restraining order (ECF No. 3), and DISMISSES this action pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1915(e). Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1915(a)(3), the Court CERTIFIES that an appeal from this decision could not be taken in good faith.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Looks like an issue of principal for the Campanas.

Had they simply paid the late fee instead of playing games, they would have saved thousands in legal fees.

All over a $25 late fee.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Do the math on this case from the prospective of how much time was wasted by the HOA board before they took action, how a very reasonable settlement was rejected by the owner and how much was owed to the HOA before it was over.

This is why the HOA needs to act expeditiously and move to lien and foreclosure instead of playing “let us work it out with you”. Your logic and the owner’s logic are necessarily in alignment.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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The board acting expeditiously does not prevent owners from - to put it bluntly - acting like jerks.

Endorsing an assessment check "for assessments only" is a favorite dodge of people who are playing games and trying to evade the hierarchy in which payments are applied to accounts (mistake #1).

Then the trustees tried to act as their own attorneys in out-of-state legal actions (mistake #2). If they had consulted a competent attorney, that person would have given them a cold dose of reality and perhaps convinced them to pay off their account.

Finally, the board is constrained in what they can do, and there can be competing and contradictory requirements in what they must do.

* First off, it's likely that the community bylaws require them to foreclose on delinquent accounts.

* Second, the association must comply with fair debt collection laws - for this reason, boards often turn this job over to an attorney so that no mistakes are made. And then they get to listen to uninformed snark about "wasting money on lawyers".

* Third, boards are obligated to manage association money wisely - this means not continuing to throw good money after bad in cases where it's unlikely that the association will ever collect the money that's owed. And this likelihood is determined in part by delinquent owner's individual circumstances, which can be difficult to assess from the outside. Meanwhile, the board is also obligated to treat all owners consistently and fairly.

* Finally, there are judges who think all HOAs are nasty bullies who try to take advantage of homeowners and who will look for reasons to rule in favor of the owner. Savvy boards will assume that their case will be heard by one these judges, and they will make it very obvious via paper trail that the association has bent over backwards to deal with an obstructive owner who is not acting in good faith. (This last item is why we offer payment plans to all owners, even those who clearly have no interest in paying anything.)

Looking at the previous paragraphs, it should be obvious how little control boards actually have over this process and how nuanced and time-consuming the decisions can be. Frankly, newly elected board members should be handed crystal balls and magic wands in order for them to do their jobs.

Having to pay for all of this legal nonsense is one of the risks you take when you buy into a community association. And still we insist that unqualified volunteers are perfectly capable of running these association. Bah...

Jeez, I was in a good mood when I got up.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By TimB4 on 10/12/2024 10:16 PM
Looks like an issue of principal for the Campanas.

Had they simply paid the late fee instead of playing games, they would have saved thousands in legal fees.

All over a $25 late fee.

This is why I recommend that people treat disputes with their association as strictly financial decisions. What often happens - as this illustrates - egos get involved and egos start calling the shots. And the shots will be stupid. (A lawyer I know has commented that when a potential client utters the words "it's the principle of the thing", he advises them to seek counsel elsewhere. Dealing with such clients is painful, time-consuming, and not worth whatever money he would earn from representing them.)
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 10/13/2024 6:39 AM
The board acting expeditiously does not prevent owners from - to put it bluntly - acting like jerks.

Endorsing an assessment check "for assessments only" is a favorite dodge of people who are playing games and trying to evade the hierarchy in which payments are applied to accounts (mistake #1).

Then the trustees tried to act as their own attorneys in out-of-state legal actions (mistake #2). If they had consulted a competent attorney, that person would have given them a cold dose of reality and perhaps convinced them to pay off their account.

Finally, the board is constrained in what they can do, and there can be competing and contradictory requirements in what they must do.

* First off, it's likely that the community bylaws require them to foreclose on delinquent accounts.

* Second, the association must comply with fair debt collection laws - for this reason, boards often turn this job over to an attorney so that no mistakes are made. And then they get to listen to uninformed snark about "wasting money on lawyers".

* Third, boards are obligated to manage association money wisely - this means not continuing to throw good money after bad in cases where it's unlikely that the association will ever collect the money that's owed. And this likelihood is determined in part by delinquent owner's individual circumstances, which can be difficult to assess from the outside. Meanwhile, the board is also obligated to treat all owners consistently and fairly.

* Finally, there are judges who think all HOAs are nasty bullies who try to take advantage of homeowners and who will look for reasons to rule in favor of the owner. Savvy boards will assume that their case will be heard by one these judges, and they will make it very obvious via paper trail that the association has bent over backwards to deal with an obstructive owner who is not acting in good faith. (This last item is why we offer payment plans to all owners, even those who clearly have no interest in paying anything.)

Looking at the previous paragraphs, it should be obvious how little control boards actually have over this process and how nuanced and time-consuming the decisions can be. Frankly, newly elected board members should be handed crystal balls and magic wands in order for them to do their jobs.

Having to pay for all of this legal nonsense is one of the risks you take when you buy into a community association. And still we insist that unqualified volunteers are perfectly capable of running these association. Bah...

Jeez, I was in a good mood when I got up.

Oh, and many states prohibit foreclosure for unpaid fines or fees. Ohio is one state that treats everything as an assessment, but this is definitely not universal.
TerriS6 (California)
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Cathy, California is one that does not allow foreclosure for fines and fees but only for assessments that are at least $1,800. or past due for a year or more. And when a member is on a payment plan, the payments must be applied first to the assessments.
DeanJ
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I don’t believe an HOA in any state would enjoy going to court for foreclosure with an owner’s assessments current, but the amount owed being only unpaid fines, fees, and interest. Most judges would not find that reasonable.

This is why a collection policies state all payments received satisfy outstanding attorney fees, late charges, fines and interest first and outstanding assessments last. Most state laws do not prohibit an HOA from applying that policy because about every business has the same practice.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted:
Foreclosing for late fees, interest, and attorneys fees if it were ever legal would only be motivated by spite or animosity if a member was current on assessments. Where would this be legal? Cite codes please.
DeanJ
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Posted By TerriS6 on 10/13/2024 9:39 AM
Foreclosing for late fees, interest, and attorneys fees if it were ever legal would only be motivated by spite or animosity if a member was current on assessments. Where would this be legal? Cite codes please.

In Ohio, bit it would be difficult to have unpaid fines and current assessments under current law.

Ohio Revised Code 5311.18

Liens may be filed for unpaid Interest, administrative late fees, enforcement assessments, and collection costs, attorney's fees, and paralegal fees the association incurs if authorized by the declaration, the bylaws, or the rules of the unit owners association and if chargeable against the unit.

(Unless otherwise provided by the declaration, the bylaws, or the rules of the unit owners association, the association shall credit payments made by a unit owner for the expenses described in divisions (A)(1)(a) and (b) of this section in the following order of priority:

(a) First, to interest owed to the association;

(b) Second, to administrative late fees owed to the association;

(c) Third, to collection costs, attorney's fees, and paralegal fees incurred by the association;

(d) Fourth, to the principal amounts the unit owner owes to the association for the common expenses or penalty assessments chargeable against the unit.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted:
Virginia law specifies monetary penalties (aka fines) are treated as assessments and, as assessments, can be used toward foreclosure proceedings.

Virginia Property Owners' Association Act

Note: Although there may be some boards that utilize monetary penalties for spite, I believe most simply use it as an enforcement tool and many are willing to waive the penalty if the issue is corrected (this was done in my last Association).
TerriS6 (California)
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So DeanJ wrote that “most states” allow a collection policy regarding foreclosure to include interest, late fees, and attorneys fees. But DeanJ could not name a single state statute, including Ohio, that allowed such foreclosures. Getting a lien is one thing. Foreclosure is another.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By TimB4 on 10/13/2024 11:36 AM
Virginia law specifies monetary penalties (aka fines) are treated as assessments and, as assessments, can be used toward foreclosure proceedings.

Virginia Property Owners' Association Act

Note: Although there may be some boards that utilize monetary penalties for spite, I believe most simply use it as an enforcement tool and many are willing to waive the penalty if the issue is corrected (this was done in my last Association).

But I think these laws require that actual assessments have to be past due before a foreclosure proceeding can commence.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 10/13/2024 12:38 PM
So DeanJ wrote that “most states” allow a collection policy regarding foreclosure to include interest, late fees, and attorneys fees. But DeanJ could not name a single state statute, including Ohio, that allowed such foreclosures. Getting a lien is one thing. Foreclosure is another.

I think the legal authority is in the CC&Rs, which define all of these things as "assessments". I asked our lawyer about this and whether this means we are able to foreclose based on unpaid fines. He said yes.

There is also the lack of case law challenging this interpretation.

I suppose it's possible that this will change in the future after a successful challenge - in which case we'll join other states in differentiating annual/monthly assessments from things such as late fees or fines.

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