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KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I posted a question about non-commercial window sign in HOA homersor condos. These, of course, would include political signs or banners. They may be limited by HOA to 9 s.f or 15 sf for banners/flags. I cited s CA HOA attorney' discussion on free speech.

I mentioned no political party or candidate. I broke none of the above rules. Any ideas????

So.....why why was my post destroyed by the mods?

t's interesting to me that other than Laya, no one would try to guess why although free speech is allowed in CA HOA private home windows--with many restrictions-- no one would try to guess WHY residents do not post them in windows in my neighborhood of several high rises or in my own HOA.

Here's my guess: Residents don't read the rules & regulations ( or perhaps CC&Rs) of their HOAs so are ignorant of their rights in Cali. But I also can agree with Laya that residents worry bout retaliation.

But here's another thing: 3' X 3'. is pretty small. Posted in a 12th story window or 24th story window, who's really gonna see it?? Similarly, a 15 sf banner is pretty small. Our
City permits realtors to post signs in HOA windows, but they must be limited to 4 X 4'. It's VERY rare to see them.

GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
So Kerry was that the thread about why there are no political signs in the windows in your area. Is this the one I believe Tim responded at the end it depends on each person locale?

If that is the case the citation of you lawyer free speech was that a link or was that a quote " ........." and where in the thread did you put it. Was it the last posting on the thread?
LayaS (Nebraska)
Posts: 249
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 10/07/2024 12:15 PM
I posted a question about non-commercial window sign in HOA homersor condos. These, of course, would include political signs or banners. They may be limited by HOA to 9 s.f or 15 sf for banners/flags. I cited s CA HOA attorney' discussion on free speech.

I mentioned no political party or candidate. I broke none of the above rules. Any ideas????

So.....why why was my post destroyed by the mods?

t's interesting to me that other than Laya, no one would try to guess why although free speech is allowed in CA HOA private home windows--with many restrictions-- no one would try to guess WHY residents do not post them in windows in my neighborhood of several high rises or in my own HOA.

Here's my guess: Residents don't read the rules & regulations ( or perhaps CC&Rs) of their HOAs so are ignorant of their rights in Cali. But I also can agree with Laya that residents worry bout retaliation.

But here's another thing: 3' X 3'. is pretty small. Posted in a 12th story window or 24th story window, who's really gonna see it?? Similarly, a 15 sf banner is pretty small. Our
City permits realtors to post signs in HOA windows, but they must be limited to 4 X 4'. It's VERY rare to see them.


I'm sorry if I sabotaged your post Kerry. I wondered why it got removed. I was just stating that political signs are not very plentiful where I live. And we have no sign restrictions. I didn't mention any party. Maybe the mods thought it would morph into political discussions and that is not this forum's purpose.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
That thread was pretty mild - considering some past threads that devolved into name-calling, insults, and general nastiness. The only mention I saw of specific beliefs were references to the confederate flag which does represent a particular point of view in many people's minds and could flirt with Fair Housing issues. Those are things that boards need to be aware of and deal with. (I think I mentioned signs that were offensive to persons in a protected class.)

Maybe it's just quieter these days compared with 2020, when we were all nuts as a result of the election *and* a pandemic that was killing millions of people and for which we had no vaccines yet or effective treatments. Wouldn't want to go through that again any time soon ...

It would be helpful if we could find out from the mods why they delete certain posts so that we know what crosses the line. Sometimes they have responded briefly to me when I've reported spam, but they didn't provide any detail. On the other spam, spam is spam - not much nuance there.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
Cathy you have a better memory than I do. I think that might be it.

Kerry the link and lawyer item where was that in the discussion beginning, middle or end?
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Your law says signs. So if the windows will accommodate multiple 3x3 signs, the sign can be split iwotb (VOTE) another (President Name) and a third (VP name).
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I don't see how saying the word "confederate flag," which I did NOT introduce, breaks any rule on this forum. Such a flag, even though 3X5 could ,based on the HOA state and/or rules. be banned. But how does this oppose our posting rules?

The davis-stirling.com website compiled by CA HOA attorneys has been cited dozens of times on this forum. Why? Because it's useful source of info for many HOA folks, not only those in CA. It's a fine service & guide. I believe Gregory has called it "Stirling."

Why, in the world, Gregory, would Tim's response, which I may not have seen, or don't recall, get my post demo'ed? I don't grasp your reasonng.

Laya, you were the most appropriate and did not at all sabotage my post! And Kathy makes sense too. 2020 was so hard on so many that residents are just cooled off.

Something that might be a "specific belief,CAthy, might for an HOA to decide,but why does out break these posting rules.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Here's the CA statute: "Civil Code § 4710. Display of Noncommercial Signs.

(a) The governing documents may not prohibit posting or displaying of noncommercial signs, posters, flags, or banners on or in a member’s separate interest, except as required for the protection of public health or safety or if the posting or display would violate a local, state, or federal law.

(b) For purposes of this section, a noncommercial sign, poster, flag, or banner may be made of paper, cardboard, cloth, plastic, or fabric, and may be posted or displayed from the yard, window, door, balcony, or outside wall of the separate interest, but may not be made of lights, roofing, siding, paving materials, flora, or balloons, or any other similar building, landscaping, or decorative component, or include the painting of architectural surfaces.

(c) An association may prohibit noncommercial signs and posters that are more than nine square feet in size and noncommercial flags or banners that are more than 15 square feet in size."

Here is our Rule: "WINDOWS
1. Signage for sale, lease/rent, or exchange is permitted in windows but limited to one (1) per street frontage, and to 4’ X 4’ in size. They must be removed within fifteen days of the close of escrow or new occupancy, whichever comes first.
2. Only one (1) noncommercial sign or poster not exceeding nine square feet in size, or one (1) noncommercial banner or flag not exceeding 15 square feet may be posted in one (1) window of a residence at any given time.
3. Window coverings’ surface that can be viewed from the exterior must be white, or off white and must be kept in good condition."

The state says a limit of certain sizes so obviously multiple signs of th sign list size are prohibited if the size exceeds the law, Dean. Now, of course, someone could probably post several tiny signs that add up total, but who could read them?

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 10/07/2024 2:05 PM

Something that might be a "specific belief,CAthy, might for an HOA to decide,but why does out break these posting rules.

Don't know. And we weren't debating the beliefs themselves, only discussing how boards would have to respond to something like it.

I've had a few posts of mine deleted, and I have no idea why. Maybe a software glitch, or somebody just wanted to annoy someone else. It's the internet. *shrug* This forum is really civil compared to the typical discussion board. I think it's because we have a high percentage of current and former board members and community managers, and they usually know how to think before speaking and not get provoked by what others say.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Also, it's not necessarily the last post that causes a thread to be deleted. I think the mods look at the thread as a whole, and something buried in the middle could have made them pull the plug.
LayaS (Nebraska)
Posts: 249
Posted:
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Posted By CathyA3 on 10/07/2024 2:40 PM
Also, it's not necessarily the last post that causes a thread to be deleted. I think the mods look at the thread as a whole, and something buried in the middle could have made them pull the plug.

I think it may have been that I mentioned I was concerned about vandalism and I opined that might be the reason people are not placing political signs in their windows. However, I did not mention any particular political party. A Harris/Walz sign could be the catalyst for vandalism as could a Trump/Vance sign. Our country is so divided right now.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
No, no Laya. Your post was completely within the rules!! I really appreciated that it stuck with my question!

Sad that the mods are tooooo, um, timid to telll me my alleged violation.

I do have a good memory of my murdered thread, and don't think there was anything anywhere in violation. It IS possible I missed someone else's post that may have broken the rules. Dean seemed quite worked up, as he often is about Cali HOA statutes, even though he's in Ohio
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
No, no Laya. Your post was completely within the rules!! I really appreciated that it stuck with my question!

Sad that the mods are tooooo, um, timid to telll me my alleged violation.

I do have a good memory of my murdered thread, and don't think there was anything anywhere in violation. It IS possible I missed someone else's post that may have broken the rules. Dean seemed quite worked up, as he often is about Cali HOA statutes, even though he's in Ohio
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Kerry even the mods on that ND site are brutal. we have a handyman in our community who's first name is shared by a guy occupying
the oval office. Just mentioning ask blank blank blank 3 letters your reply gets flagged for engaging in political discord and of
topics "outside the conversation" Like WHAT THE ACTUAL DUCK!!! the guys name happens to be that guy in DC, grow up and deal with it.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
Kerry,

I don't know whose response it was but if I recall a group of people were called out by their race in the description. In combination with the rest of the post potentially the moderators felt it was not appropriate. Also it looks like we don't have a way to communicate with them. I will have another thread on that.

to All,

I understand that if we look at the entirety of all discussion groups on the internet that this is more civil. The discussion boards that I am part are all very specific and generally have a smaller audience. This board compared to those is in its own league of being unprofessional. I have witnessed some threads being incredibly nasty. I am part of nationwide plumbing forums, electrical, another HOA group, some sport ones and this one is not professional. This is the rub. Everyone here preaches that we need to be boring and bland to ensure meeting go smooth. Everyone perpetually comments on the docs for what action to take, looks at Robert Rules of Order for proper conduct etc. The irony is the folks who post those items some of them are the same ones who do not follow their advice.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Dean wrote some hyperbole like what if a black family moved in and all other owners put of confederate flags on their windows.?

I hope that no one here feels they must abide by Robert’s Rule unless their crocs or state reunites such for members or for
Board meetings.

That many of us insist an Assocition’s docs must be adhered to is not boring, but, in many states is required by laws.So,e state too, e.g., Calif have very trick meeting notice requirements and agend time requirements. Maybe NJ doesn’t.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
UPDATE: A resident posted a rather small-maybe 24” X 24” sign in their L.R window. It simply names the duo the resident wants in the WH. We’ll see what happens.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
I thought, wow Kerry has the inside track, she is able to delete her own posts. Never occurred to me it was deleted for any reason.
As for residents displaying signs in a high rise, maybe it's like wearing a T-shirt; mainly to make the wearer feel better.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Maybe, Terri, But my question was why don't residents display these when legal in CA HOAs--high rise or not?

I bought mine -- but it won't arrive ti the 18th. iI's hard finding anything so large as 3X3. My. f guess is that IF permitted in yard, snows or wherever, the size lint is pretty small

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