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AnnS12 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 67
Posted:
We just completed all of our landscaping work for the year. We planted 3 new bushes in common area in front of a unit. The owner stopped a person walking their dog and complained to them that she wasn't asked about planting them there and she doesn't like them. Said they thought they will grow too tall. The dog walker reported this to the board. This owner never called or contacted anyone on the board personally. The board discussed at or meeting the next week and was in the process of sending the owner a letter stating that we have finished all landscaping work for this year and we would address her concerns in the Spring, and possibly have them moved if the board agreed to do so.

Before we could communicate this to the owner, they dug out and disposed of the bushes. The cost to the association from the landscaper is over $500.00 for the planting, bushes, etc. They had only been in the ground a week.

The board believes she should reimburse us for the cost.

How should this be handled. Hate to get a lawyer involved, that will be another $500.00.

Do we send her a registered letter stating she will be assessed these costs as she had no right to remove them?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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What do your governing documents says about common area elements? Our CC&Rs and our rules & e reg say that no one may remove common area items.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I agree with you, but do you have any witnesses who saw this owner dig up the plants? You'll need statements from him/her/them is this escalates to legal action. A statement from the dog walker would also help, especially if he witnessed this.

While you're gathering evidence, send your letter- for now I'd treat it as a CCR violation (which it is). Take a time and date stamped photo of the area (you should have already done that) and send a copy to her with your letter. Give her 15 business days to respond (start with the date of the letter and count - skip weekends and holidays). Send the letter via certified mail with a return receipt requested so she has to sign for it.

If she refuses the letter or tells you to go play in traffic, send another letter- sterner language and a 5 or 10 day response time. If the answer is still hell to the naw, you should have what you need to pursue this in small claims court, where you won't need an attorney. You can Google "how to win in small claims court" or read old conversations on this website for best practices.

Keep a timeline of what you do and when. Send a copy to your association attorney or wait until 6ou need another letter and then send both to him or her. Hopefully, you won't need to pursue it further, but if you do, you can always request that legal expenses incurred by the association in pursuing this be awarded to the association, along with the $500. Good luck!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By AnnS12 on 09/19/2024 10:05 AM
We just completed all of our landscaping work for the year. We planted 3 new bushes in common area in front of a unit. The owner stopped a person walking their dog and complained to them that she wasn't asked about planting them there and she doesn't like them. Said they thought they will grow too tall. The dog walker reported this to the board. This owner never called or contacted anyone on the board personally. The board discussed at or meeting the next week and was in the process of sending the owner a letter stating that we have finished all landscaping work for this year and we would address her concerns in the Spring, and possibly have them moved if the board agreed to do so.

Before we could communicate this to the owner, they dug out and disposed of the bushes. The cost to the association from the landscaper is over $500.00 for the planting, bushes, etc. They had only been in the ground a week.

The board believes she should reimburse us for the cost.

How should this be handled. Hate to get a lawyer involved, that will be another $500.00.

Do we send her a registered letter stating she will be assessed these costs as she had no right to remove them?

First, the board has to investigate and document witnesses who saw the person damaging the landscaping.

In my HOA, the process would simple. The declaration provides for HOA to recover damages to common property and we have a solid collection policy for collection of delinquent accounts.

A letter would be sent advising the owner the board has investigated removed landscaping and the investigation determined the owner did it. The board has accessed the owner’s account $500. All funds paid by the owner will first be applied to satisfy the $500 assessment, then toward any applicable late fees and then regular monthly assessments. The letter would advise the HOA may place a lien and/or foreclose on the unit if the account is not paid. The letter should also provide for the owner to appeal the boards decision within 10 days and such appeal shall be made in writing,

Wisconsin defines criminal damage as “Whoever intentionally causes damage to any physical property of another without the person’s consent.” Under the law, this is typically a Class A misdemeanor. The penalties for this charge are jail time for up to 9 months and/or as much as $10,000 in fines.

I would also immediately make a police report and ask the police to investigate the crime

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Add: the owner who did this is a witness and they probably will admit to it if you ask them.
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
Posted:
A letter is probably your best bet. This is technically "common area" territory and she had no right to remove them. If this matter is very important to the board, you could get a lawyer involved (and the owner may ignore the letter), but do your best to be firm but professional with this owner.
AnnS12 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 67
Posted:
owner has admitted she had a friend remove the plantings. She said they were dead. They haven't even been in the ground for 2 weeks. They were not dead. We even had another owner water them during the week.
our docs state
Each member shall immediately reimburse the association for ny expenditures incurred in repairing or replacing any part of the common elements in any manner damaged by him, any member of his family, tenant or any other user or occupant of his unit.

I will check with the board and see if they want a police report filed and we will begin the process of sending her letters seeking reimbursement.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Since this is a violation of your governing doc (please state which on), I don't see why you don't simply follow your protocol for fining members when they are in violation of your docs, e.g., call to hearing, or?. Why contact the police?/

In our HOA, fining a member to replace something they damaged or removed is called an "enforcement assessment," but I don't know if that language is common.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By KerryL1 on 09/20/2024 12:32 PM
Since this is a violation of your governing doc (please state which on), I don't see why you don't simply follow your protocol for fining members when they are in violation of your docs, e.g., call to hearing, or?. Why contact the police?/

In our HOA, fining a member to replace something they damaged or removed is called an "enforcement assessment," but I don't know if that language is common.

I agree. No need for the police.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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you don't need police, or small claimms court. send letter certified and if they dont paya put a lien on their home, cost $10 for certified letter via letterstream.com all done online no post office trip and you can mail the lien into local court for processing. out city charges $7 for filing the lien.

vis ta vie
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By KerryL1 on 09/20/2024 12:32 PM
Since this is a violation of your governing doc (please state which on), I don't see why you don't simply follow your protocol for fining members when they are in violation of your docs, e.g., call to hearing, or?. Why contact the police?/

In our HOA, fining a member to replace something they damaged or removed is called an "enforcement assessment," but I don't know if that language is common.

Because in the unlikely event this were to end up in court, the HOA has an independent party who conducted an investigation.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Pure nonsense, Dean!! In our 200+- unit twin towers, there probably is on e violation a year of an owner being called to a disciplinary hearing for damaging or removing common area property, Generally, common area cameras catch the violator. The board decides and d so ruled votes to fine the violator the replay cement cost of the item dn sends th own it using & a bill...

In the 14 year I served on he Boar no violate ever refused o pay. Th police, Lins, etx. simply re not necessary,
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By KerryL1 on 09/20/2024 6:14 PM
Pure nonsense, Dean!! In our 200+- unit twin towers, there probably is on e violation a year of an owner being called to a disciplinary hearing for damaging or removing common area property, Generally, common area cameras catch the violator. The board decides and d so ruled votes to fine the violator the replay cement cost of the item dn sends th own it using & a bill...

In the 14 year I served on he Boar no violate ever refused o pay. Th police, Lins, etx. simply re not necessary,

Where did you read this event was caught on security cameras?

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By AnnS12 on 09/20/2024 11:52 AM
owner has admitted she had a friend remove the plantings. She said they were dead. They haven't even been in the ground for 2 weeks. They were not dead. We even had another owner water them during the week.
our docs state
Each member shall immediately reimburse the association for ny expenditures incurred in repairing or replacing any part of the common elements in any manner damaged by him, any member of his family, tenant or any other user or occupant of his unit.

I will check with the board and see if they want a police report filed and we will begin the process of sending her letters seeking reimbursement.

The declaration is on your side. Add the cost the the owners account and send them a letter stating the reason it was added and a right to appeal.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I wrote "generally," Dean. The other cases were simply a written report by a resident or staffer--nowadays, often a pic is taken.

But is it the cae that powers have no rights to play thier case to th Board? As I required in CA and some other states? What about Wisc?
AnnS12 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 67
Posted:
we do have before and after pictures. We will send letter of assessment citing the violations to declarations and bylaws to owner. we also have another owner who spoke with the offender where she admitted she had a friend remove them.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Does Wisc. require a herig efore the Board before disciplinary action can be taken? Or duo your own docs, Ann?

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