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KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our 25 story twin tower high rises are about 50’ apart in the center of the property. So…the 02 stack on the North Tower (NT) has a very good view of both bedrooms & a bathroom in the ’05 stack of the South Tower (ST). And the NT ’03 units have a fine view of the ’05 living rooms & primary bdrm.

3 board members live in the NT O2s or O3s. On the 13th/14th floors. The Board president is one and he contacted me for advice about the ST ’05 occupant who walks around inside his unit nude a great deal of the time. This annoys some folks in the NT. Our rules don’t seem to address this.

I found the below “Nuisance clause”: Most HOAs in the USA have a "nuisance clause” in their CC&Rs.

'7.3.8 Offensive Conduct; Nuisances. No noxious or offensive activities shall be conducted within the Project. Nothing shall be done on or within the Project that may be or may become an annoyance or nuisance to the residents of the Project….’ So a NT residents would have to write a violation report,

I sent the CC&R to the president. But I now think there might be a softer way to deal with this. Like a friendly note anonymous under the nekkid guy's door that says something like, “you may not be aware of this, but ….” Or some other sort of kidding words, yet that say enough is enough. Ideas?
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
I would simply send the person a letter stating he is being observed walking naked in his unit through uncovered windows and owners are being annoyed and offended and to please use proper window coverings.

If he continues, call the police and have them handle it.

314.
Every person who willfully and lewdly, either:
1. Exposes his person, or the private parts thereof, in any public place, or in any place where there are present other persons to be offended or annoyed thereby;
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Man, my community is so boring...

As for the annoyed neighbors, I'd be tempted to tell them to put their eyeballs elsewhere if it bothers them. It may depend on jurisdiction, but in many places people have the right to walk naked in their homes as long as they're not obviously putting on the show in the living room picture window - something that wouldn't be possible in most condo communities due to the lack of picture windows.

I'd also be tempted to send Nature Guy a friendly warning just in case he doesn't realize that people can see inside his home.

If your community's CC&Rs allow for it, there are clear window films that prevent people from looking in - but the film is invisible. A neighbor across the street from me has it on her windows, and I wouldn't have known if she hadn't told me.

(Years ago when I was on the board, the homeless girlfriend of an owner's adult son decided to live in her car that was parked in the owner's driveway (common elements). We found out when neighbors complained about the girl dressing and undressing in full view of everyone. We sent the unit owner a violation notice, which I think they were happy to receive - they could get the problem out of their driveway and blame the association for it. It kept peace in the family...)
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
hi Kerry sorry that you have this situation. Good advice given by others. My current condo is in an urban area and the city has high rises. I think the nuisance angle is an approach. Since this is condo (nude dude) viewed by condo (other residents). But it's tricky to go outside of the condo like police etc to get something done. Here is a case in Chicago that went nowhere.

https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/national-news/naked-neighbor-exposes-cracks-in-indecency-laws-in-chicago/
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Many thinks so far--keep 'em coming. Btw, all living rooms & bedrooms have floor to ceiling windows.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
hey Cathy would you be able to provide that film material name. I am in an urban setting with backyard. That might be a great solution for my sliding doors.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
There are a bunch of different brands. If you Google "clear window privacy film", you'll find them. There are also some that are decorative or have patterns in them, but those would probably not be suitable for condo communities.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 09/06/2024 8:50 AM
Many thinks so far--keep 'em coming. Btw, all living rooms & bedrooms have floor to ceiling windows.

Oops, then he could put on a show whether intentional or not.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
More thoughts:

* Aside from giving the guy a heads up that neighbors can see inside his home, I probably wouldn't do much unless it became clear that he was acting deliberately. It would become more urgent if he appears to be targeting members of a protected class or minors.

* Davis-Stirling appears to agree:

"Inside Units. The same principle applies to nudity inside units. No one should care about nudity inside a unit unless the person opens the drapes and stands in the window for the entire world to see. Such behavior is unsuitable and can be fined even though it occurred inside the owner's unit."
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
dont' look at what you don't want to see. What's next the HOA is gonna have a dress code of what you can wear in your own unit?
Everyone has a birthday suit and should not be ashamed of it.

vis ta vie
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The HOA should not get involved.

Have the individuals contact the police instead.

If the police show up and give a warning, it's likely to be more effective vs. a warning from the HOA.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Leave the poor man alone. Why should he close his curtains? His neighbors can close their curtains. Invasion of privacy otherwise.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
The police? Call the police on a man committing no crime in the privacy of his home? The police would have a good laugh. My parents’ house was next to a high rise in SF where one resident had the same habit. We just said - oh there’s Mr. Naked.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Unless the guy is pressing or hanging out the window, no crime or covenant is being broken.
Should he draw the drapes, yes, but since he is inside his domicile he has full reign to walk around
inside his home in his birthday suit all he wants.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Thanks all. Our prez decided to have the PM send a friendly, "you may not be aware...." letter that informs him, but does add a summation of our nusaince clause.

If still on the board I'd never vote to call the police. seems like overkill twhen simple letter might handle this,

And--to someone's point, why look in his windows??/ That's good question. Th view of th ppl who're complaining of his unit windows is to their SW. There his Nothing of interest to view from their Units-- only a stack of condo units. If they look due south, they see a nice park for children. S, S/W, views of a twin tower hotel & marina on a Bay. South views of the Bay and ocean beyond.

My guess is a gaggle of directors's wives, who do happen to hav the same view have made this a real pearl clutcher & their spouse don't know what to do!,
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Damn my typos. Thier view is o the South
EAST.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The gentle "courtesy letter" which I hav seen, of course, from the PM included a summary of our CC&R nuisance clause above and included something like th possibility he isn't aware of so many neighbors viewing him.

He chose covering his relevant windows. Many folks here have automatic shades that the occupant can see out and which block the sun, but others cannot see in, so he still has his fabulous views of the Bay, ocean, etc. I don't have these blinds as they've very expensive.

No kind of coating is permitted on our condo windows.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Error: I have NOT seen the letter from the PM.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 10/12/2024 7:04 PM
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No kind of coating is permitted on our condo windows.

Do you know why this coating isn't permitted?

My neighbor across the street has it, and I didn't know until she told me. It's not at all visible from the outside (or inside), and it would seem like a perfect solution for privacy and security issues in condos. Per our Declaration, unit owners are responsible for maintaining the windows, so there is no cost to the association one way or the other.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The prohibition is in our original Arch. Guidelines and I suspect it was to prevent a typical coating that lessens the effect of the sun, so is a different color than Palin glass. that would change the "color" of the glass---22 years ago-- to maintain a uniform look.

I've never heard of such a product. So far as I know, no one's asked to use this. But if an owner insisted and submitted it as an agenda item, I'm sure the board would consider permitting it.

Does it keep out the sun? This is huge in our area.

If no one can see it, would I be looking at my twin tower and seeing large areas that look like black holes with no actual window coverings. Why would anyone want window coverings?
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 10/13/2024 5:34 AM
Posted By KerryL1 on 10/12/2024 7:04 PM
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No kind of coating is permitted on our condo windows.


Do you know why this coating isn't permitted?

My neighbor across the street has it, and I didn't know until she told me. It's not at all visible from the outside (or inside), and it would seem like a perfect solution for privacy and security issues in condos. Per our Declaration, unit owners are responsible for maintaining the windows, so there is no cost to the association one way or the other.

Maybe the neighbor misunderstood the rule about "no coating."
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TerriS6 on 10/13/2024 9:08 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 10/13/2024 5:34 AM
Posted By KerryL1 on 10/12/2024 7:04 PM
...
No kind of coating is permitted on our condo windows.


Do you know why this coating isn't permitted?

My neighbor across the street has it, and I didn't know until she told me. It's not at all visible from the outside (or inside), and it would seem like a perfect solution for privacy and security issues in condos. Per our Declaration, unit owners are responsible for maintaining the windows, so there is no cost to the association one way or the other.


Maybe the neighbor misunderstood the rule about "no coating."

We have no such rule.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
HaHa, Terri.

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